Ron Paul Supports Chuck Baldwin for President; Not Ralph Nader, Not Bob Barr & Not "Ron Paul"
Ron Paul is supporting Chuck Baldwin for President, not Ralph Nader, and not Bob Barr;
June 16, 2008:
Ron Paul: "We also have Chuck Baldwin, who runs on the Constitution Party, his views are very, very close to mine and he worked very hard on my campaign."
September 10, 2008:
Wolf Blitzer: "You want a third party candidate to win. Would that candidate be the man sitting next to you, right here in the Situation Room, Ralph Nader?"
Ron Paul: "No. Ralph is a good friend, but we agree on tactics, and what we're doing, and we agree on these very important issues, but quite frankly, he probably wouldn't have joined my campaign and I probably wont join his campaign."
Wolf Blitzer: "So you won't vote for him?"
Ron Paul: "No, I don't plan to."
September 22, 2008:
Ron Paul: "I’ve thought about the unsolicited advice from the Libertarian Party candidate [Bob Barr], and he has convinced me to reject my neutral stance in the November election. I’m supporting Chuck Baldwin, the Constitution Party candidate.”
Chuck Baldwin is registered as a write-in or is on the ballot in all states but 2:
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A Perfect Example of Libertarian In-fighting
This post is EXACTLY why libertarianism can never get anywhere. There's always someone to make a big stink about something that's mostly irrelevant.
I won't vote for Baldwin or Barr. I was going to write Ron Paul in regardless of whether it counted or not, but now it will count, and instead of seeing how that's a good thing, you have to pull some Monty Python "follow the shoe.... NO! follow the gourd" shit.
Neither Chuck Baldwin, Bob Barr, Ron Paul, NOR John McCain are going to win California. If we emphasize that, some Republicans might write in Ron Paul as a protest against McCain -- people who will never vote for Baldwin or Barr. If we could get enough people to do this (admittedly not likely), then we might make a statement for the future.
Nobody is trying to talk people who want to vote for Barr or Baldwin out of doing so. We Ron Paul electors are trying to give people an option they didn't have before -- the ability to vote our conscience.
But instead of working with us, you choose to "drama queen" instead.
You are EXACTLY why the freedom movement never goes anywhere.
People choosing their own paths of support worked very well for Ron Paul. Ron Paul personally lead almost nothing about his campaign. He just had to be Ron Paul, and we lead the fight with him from lots of different angles. It's too bad others can't learn from his example.
Are you joking Comic? These are just the facts.
I feel sorry for people that don't like to hear what Ron Paul said, on a Ron Paul site.
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Great statement
I've already voted absentee ballot for Paul. Despite his insistence we vote "any" third party candidate, I don't agree. I would vote "None of the Above" if it were on my ballot. Matter of fact, we need to start a national movement to get this on all ballots.
I am voting for Alan Keyes
Just kidding 8)
might as well with this divided front.
It's true.
and I will follow his advice. But it's also true that he wants us to vote, above all, for a 3rd party candidate, if we don't honestly support the policies of McBama. I wish I could have voted for Ron Paul, but in NY Baldwin is a write in candidate. But if anyone would rather vote Nadar, then go for it. Every vote that isn't for a CFR candidate will make a statement.
Hey Doctor Damper,
where is your quote of Ron Paul saying "don't vote for me"? When I cast my vote on November 4, it will be for the candidates that make me feel the best about voting for them. And right now, I intend to write in Ron Paul for president ONLY if he's an "official" write in candidate in my state. Otherwise, I'll vote for the third party candidate that makes me feel the best about casting my vote. For you to call jdayh's thread "disinformation" is total BS. He's enthusiastic and has a huge heart. Since you seem to enjoy dampening the enthusiasm around here, why don't you change your DP user name to "Doctor Damper"?
I appreciate the enthusiasm, but it's misdirected.
It is disinformation - Ron Paul is not running, does not want to be on the ballot, does not want people to vote for him, and is supporting Chuck Baldwin.
Those are the facts.
The same energy could be used to support Ron Paul's endorsement.
I'll get you a quote from Ron Paul recommending that people not vote for him also, and I'll update the post.
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Bump
very good!
Ron Paul tried to get himself removed from ballot, but couldn't
Ron Paul does not recommend voting for him.
He has endorsed Chuck Baldwin for President.
Discussion about voting for or writing in "Ron Paul" will only result in confusion, further fractured third party strength, a diminishing of Ron Paul's own endorsement of Baldwin, and possibly votes that don't even count.
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All I'm seeing is Ralph stars.
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listen
Nader is trying to win to get as many votes as possible so it is obvious he will give people a little bit of a sugar coated cake.
Nader is smart lawyer 45 years in this struggle against the odds.
Paul would win if he said nice things about social security and health care
his campaign team cought onto this very late saying that all the programs would be payed by shutting down military spending.
You fucked up I am saying this to Ron's campaign people.
Now we have a possiblity of a huge victory with Ralph and some attack me.
Crazy!
Those that defend present day casino pseudo capitalism are traitors.
Fascism is the rule by the corporations and it is said in the Constitution We The People and not We The Corporations.
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What? I don't really understand what your point is.
But it doesn't sound good.
There's nothing wrong with having a Ron Paul thread on a Ron Paul forum, pointing out exactly what Ron Paul has said. That should be encouraged.
It's not an attack on you.
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its not against you
it is to remind some hot blooded creatures who attack other freedom lovers over some issues.
Unity first!
I am in this to really change things the way they are and unity is a main thing in this struggle.
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I thought we were allowed to
I thought we were allowed to pick the candidate we wanted. If Baldwin was actually viable and had a chance to win/was at least 5% in the polls I'd vote for him... but instead I've decided to vote for Barr. I don't like him or his voting record, or the way he's campaigned, but I'm voting for him to help out the Libertarian party with future ballot access. I like Nader better than Barr, but he's running as an independent, so there's no ballot access benefit to voting for him. I wish Baldwin good luck, but of all the 3rd parties, the Libertarian Party seems like the most viable 3rd party to ever have much of a future.... that's why I picked it over the Constitution party.
You're free to vote for a party for President if you wish.
Of course. Where did anyone ever say you were not "allowed to pick?"
That seems to be a common complaint from those that disagree with Paul, that someone is trying to force you to vote - that's impossible, nor has anyone said such a thing.
It's good for people to know the facts, and that all that is covered in this topic - just exactly what Ron Paul has said.
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no no, not at all... I'm
no no, not at all... I'm really glad he came out and endorsed Baldwin.... he is by far the best candidate running....
however, ultimately, I've decided to use my vote to make it as significant as possible. Since no 3rd party candidate will win, obviously, I've decided to to use my vote to help a party with ballot access, and I just decided to go with the Libertarian party.
Well, that's fine. I could never pull the lever for Barr though.
Even if it was a help to the party.
And, I really respect Ron Paul and his opinion. Ron Paul earned my vote, there was no way I was giving it to anyone else unless he endorsed someone.
I was going to write him in until he made an endorsement. His endorsement made me take a much closer look at Baldwin, and I found I had been ignoring him for no good reason.
He's a student of the Constitution, believing that serving the office should mean following the Constitution, not preaching from the office as most assume.
I think every vote for Baldwin will not only recognize Ron Paul's endorsement, but also further Baldwin's political career. He's 56 years old, but he sure looks young, and may run again.
Since Ron Paul has said his views are very, very close to Baldwin's, Baldwin could lead the cause into the future.
Nader is not going to lead Ron Paul's cause into the future and neither is Barr.
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3rd party all good choices
because we all try to smash the twins duopoly.
This is just the beginning.
Nader mentioned if he looses he will form a CFL kind of movement.
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well the bigger picture is to encourage people to vote for the
3rd party candidate of their choice. Ron Paul spearheaded that campaign himself. I think if he were asked "you endorsed Baldwin- would you rather all of your supporters only discussed THAT 3rd party candidate at forums associated with your name?" Hed probably say that while he plans on voting for a certain candidate, he'd welcome dialogue about the other choices as well- or he wouldnt have pushed the press corps meeting in the first place. He definitely wants to discourage people from getting stuck in the 2 party rut , so I think Obama or McCain supporters are off-topic- but I think any 3rd party candidate's supporter should be welcomed as in line with Paul's vision. Ive already voted for Baldwin- but I enjoy good debates from the Nader people. Dont hear much from the others. Ron Paul asked us to consider voting for the 3rd party candidate of our choice- hearing from their supporters will assist us in intelligently doing just that.
Live Free or Diebold
Recognized; it doesn't hurt to know what Ron Paul said either.
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vote for Nader? nah, I'm not
vote for Nader? nah, I'm not a socialist i'm an American.
legalizeliberty + Nader - Multiple Thread Attack
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it doesn't matter who you
it doesn't matter who you vote for prez.
this country's political system is broke through and through.
vote for baldwin, nader, barr, write-in-paul...whoever
the important thing is to keep educating people on the principles of small, constitutional government.
I use articles, video and audio clips from/by: Ron Paul, Jack Hunter, Peter Schiff, Pat Buchanan, Lew Rockwell, Bruce Fein, John McManus, John Stossel, The AntiTerrorist, and many many misc things posted from the DP. Those are just a few of the sources.
others will have a different list and different ways to educate people.
vote for who you like....it's truly symbolic.
But keep up the education of others.
It Matters, You should know exactly who you're voting for.
And, why.
That is the main problem with elections - the people don't really know who they are voting for. Most people only know what they are told on TV or in Newspapers.
If everyone really knew the candidates, Ron Paul could have won.
It's a good practice to carefully choose those you vote for and encourage everyone else to do the same.
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Statement: It doesn't
Statement: It doesn't matter which flavor ice cream you choose. ( Implication: everyone has their personal favorite for various reasons. )
Response: Everyone should know exactly what flavor of ice cream their choosing. And why.
brilliant....
just f'n brilliant.
Ballot Info
Thanks for the link showing the states where Chuck Baldwin is on the ballot. If I can't have "my" Ron Paul, I'll vote for Chuck Baldwin.
Glad it was helpful!
Mainly I created this as an anti-disinformation thread, but it's good to hear about people using the info too.
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Your diviise hackery is REALLY helpful
/sarcasm
Quit dividing people. Ron Paul is encouraging people to vote third party, period. He made that clear. Yes, he is PERSONALLY supporting Baldwin. I think most perceptive people realize that he took that step because he and Barr have drifted apart personally.
But posting anti-Barr and anti-Nader drivel on this in the guise of "information" isn't helpful.
Chuck Baldwin isn't going to win. Neither will Nader, Barr, McKinney, etc. The media has seen to it that the average voter has very little clue these people are even running. Driving wedges between these candidates right now IS NOT APPROPRIATE and will only hurt our ability to work together in the future.
Why, it's the Bob Barr
Why, it's the Bob Barr Correctness monitor!
Long time no hear!
In this post, YOU...'Little Miss Manners'--are the one being rude and divisive, not the original poster. I suggest you shut your fetid pie hole.
I mean that in an undivisive and polite way, of course.
SUPPORT OUR FOUNDERS' AMERICA
Support the Constitution of the United States
Want to know why I haven't fully committed to C4L?
People like you. I gave my ALL to the Paul campaign. I still care deeply about the direction this country is moving in.
And punks like you are sapping my will to fight.
Let me make that clear: we can lose every political fight. They can elect a socialist, pass 100 bailouts, start another war, lock me up for protesting...
...and I'll still be strong.
But divisive pawns like you just make me want to sit on the sidelines. You can't see the forest for the trees. You pull this vindictive crap in support of Baldwin, WHO I MAY VOTE FOR (I haven't decided), and you don't realize the bridges you're burning.
We will never move forward with people like you dividing up the movement. Stay strong, stay respectful to other people's CHOICES, and quit making this a competition between Barr and Baldwin.
Barr and Baldwin aren't COMPETING against each other. They're part of the same movement. And for every asinine post like this I see telling me I'm supposed to vote for Baldwin, and not Barr, I am LESS LIKELY to vote that way.
The way I see it, I have three choices: vote Barr, vote Baldwin, or write in Ron Paul. I will arrive at my own decision. Your post will not influence me in your direction at all. Ron Paul's personal choice means a little, but not much. I will decide based on my belief in limited government and political pragmatism, and I won't bash people (or candidates) in the third party movement.
THE BIG THING IS FOR US TO ENCOURAGE AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE TO ABANDON THE TWO-PARTY, DIVIDE-AND-CONQUER SYSTEM AND VOTE THIRD PARTY. WE UNDERMINE THAT MOVEMENT WHEN WE START PULLING THIS "DON'T VOTE FOR (BARR, NADER, BALDWIN, MCKINNEY) CRAP.
If you are unable to appreciate the need for us to promote the greater third-party movement, perhaps you should sit this one out. Chuck Baldwin will not win the presidency. And your Rovian attempts to drum up every possible vote for him are coming from a scorched earth policy. You're poisoning the greater movement to benefit your guy. That's not cool
Barr and Baldwin aren't competing against each other?
I'm not so sure about that. If they are part of the same movement, what is there even to be "divisive" about? Why should you even think about who you are voting for? If it doesn' t matter, then we could just pick a name out of a hat. If it is all part of the same movement, why not just unite into one? It would be much more financially prudent if they were all behind one candidate.
You insist that this is symbolic and there is no chance of winning. (I disagree.) However, do we ever plan on going for a win? What about 2012? Are we still going to be squabbling? When will we unite to go for this win? What is the harm in attempting to think win now? This year we at least had Ron Paul give us some semblance of guidance to unite us?.Who is going to unite us in 2012? My impression, here, is that the true divisive person is JackParkman.
You're right.
You just are.
It's not personal, it's public.
And Ron Paul made it public because he wishes people to know who he thinks is the best candidate for President.
If it was only personal he would have kept it to himself.
Besides, most of those that get bothered by hearing who Ron Paul is supporting are those that are not supporting Ron Paul's endorsement - amazing!
Or, posting about Nader and Barr over and over again in the Daily Paul forums...
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Tireless Nader
Doesn't have his own forums?
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Nader surge
Nader is surging in polls.
Millions saw his great interview on NBC last night.
bump for Liberty!
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Isn't there a Daily Nader?
By the way, Kevin Tuma, Your "ralph" post cracked me up!
It was all in the timing.
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Heh--I was hoping that might
Heh--I was hoping that might get a laugh. I have nothing against Nader, I just see no reason whatsoever to support him.
SUPPORT OUR FOUNDERS' AMERICA
Support the Constitution of the United States
Kevin is a nice guy
I had a hearty laugh too.
no DailyRalph yet but win or loose Nader said he will start a CFL style movement to reinstate the Constitution.
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If Nader converted to Ron Paul's strict constitionalist views...
They could team up!
Isn't Nader an attorney? He more than any other candidate should understand the law, the supreme law!
So what's the deal with him?
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Dr. Paul cannot vote for Baldwin
as he is not on the ballot in Texas. They asked him yesterday who he is going to vote for and he said he is not sure. So he can either refrain from voting or vote for Barr in Texas, or write in Baldwin (which would not make much sense).
WRONG, Baldwin is Recognized as a Write-in
Therefore a write-in for Chuck Baldwin in Texas will count. A write-in for Ron Paul will not.
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I voted and wrote in
I voted and wrote in Baldwin.
I don't know what the finer points are on how or if the write-ins in Texas will be counted. I just know that voting for Barr/Root would have absolutely, positively been a wasted vote, same as voting for Obama. So my choice was easy.
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Support the Constitution of the United States
I don't give a shit who Ron
I don't give a shit who Ron Paul supports, frankly.
Good for you. Out of the box
Good for you. Out of the box thinking is what we're all about! ;)
How unfortunate.
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frankly that's only because you're an a$$hole
I think you need a course on google too. This happens to be the Ron Paul site, not the McCain/Obama/Barr you were stupidly seeking.
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Happy to Vote For Chuck Baldwin!
glad to have Chuck Baldwin to vote for and support ....
with Dr Paul edorsing him - was just icing on the cake -
listen to Baldwin on NPR from this past weekend - short and sweet!
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Yep-I just voted for Chuck Baldwin in Florida Early Voting
We simply cannot trust Barr-he dissed Ron Paul.
Bump
for commonsense