
Lesser of 2 Evils -- OBAMA MUST NOT WIN!!!
Submitted by ElKabong61 on Thu, 10/30/2008 - 18:12
I've been on this site a long time and have learned a lot from Ron Paul and all the great conservatives on here. We don't all agree on everything, but I think we want the best for our country.
I really wanted to vote for Chuck Baldwin. He has got a lot of great ideas--many in line with Ron Paul. I figured if the Republicans lost that they'd learn their lesson and maybe go more conservative next time. Well, I have re-evaluated the situation and we're in a real pickle. We are ripe (no pun intended) for something really bad happening to our country.
A vote for Chuck Baldwin is about effective as a vote for Mickey Mouse or Captain Kirk. He has never been elected before! Heck, you might as well vote for me or even better yet, Michael Nystrom. Voting for your president isn't always about how much you agree with them or how much you like the color of their skin or what's in between their legs. It should be about what's between their ears and what's in their heart.
I am a realist. Either Obama or McCain will be our next president. The next "Ron Paul" will need to be elected to a lesser office, pay his or her dues, get some national prominence and probably make some compromises along the way ala Reagan. That's reality and it may take a decade or longer.
I voted McCain because I would rather vote for a dumb capitalist than a smart communist. A vote for 3rd party during this election really felt like a selfish act to me.
I found a LOT of folks against Obama on the Nobama Network and I have been pretty impressed with the Hillbuzz blog. http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com. There are a lot of Hillary Clinton supporters that HATE Obama and would prefer voting for McCain than Obama.
Check out Confessions of an Obama blogger and see if this doesn't ring true. Anyone that is familiar with Digg.com would probably see that this post makes a lot of sense.
I've been on this board for a long time (check out my low number.) I realize some folks here are going to feel I'm a traitor to the cause, but I just wanted to offer my 2 cents on the election and how we can have an influence. I already voted early. Almost all Libertarian except for McCain. :-)
















You mean you don’t want Bamabot USSA???
I talked to a Bama supporter yesterday. I've gotta let ya...that poor soul had to have been one of the dumbest people I'd ever talked to.Talking to an Obama "enthusiast" is like interfacing with a computer. The gal I talked to seemed actually programmed to only think about shallow non-issues.
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—Cliff in Sioux City, Iowa
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I agree with you, I was
I agree with you, I was listening to the XM talk radio while I was driving truck this week and Obama wants to have a 250,000 member civilian military as well funded and strong as our regular military. What do you think he's planning on using that for? Obama can't win, he's as crazy as a shit house rat.
Bryan
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rully....
is there any real difference....
i fucking think not.
Actually Obama is a slightly better choice than McCain
But we should vote for neither.
A third party or "Ron Paul" write-in or "Vince McMahon" write-in is a far superior vote than Obama or McCain.
They gain your trust with some truth, then they screw you with that trust.
hahaha slightly better
hahaha slightly better choice?? I guess its ok to be an outright marxist out in the open against the Constitution then a Socialist? they are both the exact same! there is no difference at all!
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
If not now - then when?
because of people who think like you the cycle is doomed to continue. By your logic there will never be a time to vote your conscience.
Live Free or Diebold
Republicans Need a Hard Spanking
And Americans need to be grown up enough to administer it with a will and with resolve. With Republican "conservatism" thoroughly discredited by the monolithic collectivism of the first six years of the Bu'ushist Regime, it is time now to take down Democrat "liberalism". With any luck it will only take two years of an Obama Nation to fully energize the individualist opposition.
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Sic Semper Tyrannis
Falling for the "scare
Falling for the "scare tactic" huh?
Just like they planned.
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Gutless.
Like the Summer Soldier and SunShine "patriot" -- you have caved and fallen for the trap they have laid before you.
Face it, you simply don't have the GUTS to vote third party.
While you have been a member of this community for a long time..
It seems like you've been spending more time listening to the voices of the MSM than the wisdom of men such as Ron Paul.
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Evil is Evil
Republicans have pissed on liberty for 8 years -- now they will see what that urination has done to their party.
Troll
Go preach this crap to the addicts of the 2-party system.
I wrote in Ron Paul and voted early
A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote for evil, and I choose not to knowingly vote for evil.
Liberty is our campaigns gift to the world it is our manifest destiny.
Freedom is a movement who's time has come. Our campaign will lead yo world wide freedom.
Liberty is our campaigns gift to the world it is our manifest destiny.
Freedom is a movement who's time has come. Our campaign will lead world wide freedom.
Alright!!!
I did the same thing.
--Cliff, Sioux City, Iowa
—Cliff in Sioux City, Iowa
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Troll
A vote for mccain is the same as a vote for obama, they're both socialists. You're throwing your vote away by voting for either of those two whores. the point of voting 3rd party is to a) vote your conscience, and if your conscience aligns with mccain, i pity you; b) to rock the boat and truly democratize our electoral system.
you voted
you just voted for socialism and centralized control. You just told the powers that be, that You Want Socialism and More Centralized Control. IMO, the phrases about giving liberty for security were written about those with your mindset, knowing what's right yet allowing their fear to overwhelm them.
Love ya, Love my mom too... but you guys just bascially said "I'd like to have socialism and totalitarianism please. I'm Begging you to give me socialism. I'm Begging you on my hands and knees for totalitarianism."
And the most gracious and merciful powers that be will listen. They will in their benevolence, give it to us.
Thanks.
There Will Be War With Either, And Both Serve The Banking Cartel
I'm going third party.
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Goebbels...
... was lying when he said that.
I like heroin too much
We gotta protect those poppy fields in Afghanistan to keep the H-train rolling. Go bomb em Obama!
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Electoral college maps
Barring any last minute lightning strikes, Obama already has the numbers to win the electoral college vote. If the McBama contest is not within the margin of error in both one's state and the national race, McCain might as well be another third party candidate for all the good your vote will do.
Any vote for McCain sends a message to the RNC that such a candidate is acceptable.
A vote for McCain vindicates the treatment of Ron Paul and Ron Paul delegates in Nevada, the Republican National Convention, and elsewhere. It says, "You can piss on us and we will vote for McCain anyway".
Right!
The RNC might learn a lesson from this McCain fiasco but I doubt it.
I don't even know where
I don't even know where people get the idea that another electoral loss will "destroy" the GOP or "teach them a lesson". It will do no such thing.
The party is supported by Wall Street, Big Oil, Diebold, multinational corporations and the richest bankers in the western world.
It isn't going anywhere.
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McCain is a nut
and he will not draft my son. He is a TRAITOR.
hey stupid.. go pull up some
hey stupid.. go pull up some youtube on your boy obombya! he is as everybit as much a hawk as McCain! he talks openly about invading Pakistan and going after "terrorists" not to mention his mandatory public service for young people! you have your head in the sand! you can BS some people but its very hard to BS the people on thise site! GROW A PAIR FEDOR!
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
If you voted
for McCain and he wins, go upstairs and kiss your children good-bye because they will be either drafted or have to be drafted because of McMelonoma's future stupidity.
Nucleur annihlation is his goal, because he's so simple-minded he thinks that is being tough.
I'll vote for Baldwin, I have clean hands and no blood.
Good luck trying to get any rest with that on our conscience...
If you always vote for the status quo
you really have no business complaining about it.
- excellent quote from the 'Southern Avenger's video on this thread
So. This then is the very last we will be hearing from you.
We're on our knees as a country now because we've shot ourselves in the foot so many times.
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We cannot be this dumb
To put a vote in the communist or fascist columns. Hasn't Dr. Paul endorse someone? Haven't we fought this whole time to change things? Who would be so god damn stupid to vote for McCain or Obama right now? If you vote for one of them, you accept them as a choice, gutless sniveling scumbag choice. Are we this goddamn stupid?
"It is the responsibility of the patriot to protect his country from its government."
— Thomas Paine
"In the capitalist society there is a place and bread for all. Its ability to expand provides sustenance for every worker. Permanent unemployment is not a feature of free capitalism." - Mises - www.mises.org, http://www.freedomshift.blogspot.com
I agree with you 100%
I too will be voting for McCain. I feel Obama is dangerous for the country and if he wins, we may be so far into communism in 4 years that we will never return. The future of our great country is on the line.
Kay -
You're a sell out.
Don't think so
I would hate to see Obama be in a position to appoint Supreme Court justices. Also, I think our free speech will be severely limited. He and his cronies will bring back the Fairness Doctrine.
McFeingold
I don't trust McFeingold to appoint to the supreme court either. He's shown his disregard for the constitution is as great as Obama's.
Neither of them are acceptable. You will be Asking for socialist totalinarianism if you vote for either McCain or Obama. McCain will say: "My friends, you begged me for it, and I listened."
Am thinking McCain's going to win. Part of me is relieved, part of me knows there's no difference between the pipers.
Fascism over communism. You
Fascism over communism. You lost me.......
Either aproach leads to FEMA camps. I'll see you inside the walls. Wink, Wink
I want someone to explain to me...
... how McCain, who's sucked at the government's teat since the day he was born, has never created a product, service or job, can be called a capitalist.
You are one sick traitor....
fuck off and die. I hunt elk.
I hunt elk?
What? Can't hit a smaller target? Real men hunt mice!
Agreed: Hussein-O(s/b)ama = Communist.
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I wanted to believe...
... that Dr. Paul fans were above the puerile Hussein O(s/b)ama posts. I have been proved wrong. My heart is a little heavier today.
Pardon the let down; was original on my part. No sorrys here.
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Original?
Keep listening to the voices. And remember, McCain means "son of Cain." Why is his name's etymology never addressed?
etymology
God is gracious/merciful, Wide island/meadow son of Zeus, Son of Acquisition/Production by Craft/Spear = John Sidney McCain
Blessed flash of lightning, Handsome Destroyer (Apollo)... no clue what Obama means. = Barack Hussein Obama
far as I can tell, could be off... just looked it up on various name sites.
What your brain didn't pick
What your brain didn't pick up was by "original" I meant I had not seen his name written that way before. "Original" is much shorter, see.
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Why the internal dog fight?
We all want the same thing - Liberty!
Attacking people who come to different conclucions is the exact opposite of what we are all fighting for.
Look at yourselves - some of you are no better than the people you think you are fighting.
But that is ok too - as a people we have a long way to go before we deserve to get the liberty we think we want. If we had it, could we manage it? Judging from this thread, it won't do much good looking to the average Ron Paul supporter for understanding, respect, freedom and liberty.
boy you're not kidding
are you? Judging from this thread, the way Ron Paul supporter keep voting for McBama, we're not making ANY progress in understanding and respecting freedom and liberty.
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the opposite of evil is live
you a suicidal maniac or what?
I'm not sure if I will vote for chuck or write in Ron Paul, but I definately have a will and want to live!!
~peace
~peace
I am a realist too. I know
I am a realist too. I know mcbama will win. I will rejoice in not taking part in that travesty.
Why haven't you listened to ron Paul and voted third party. I do not care who gets mad at me, because I know that I am right and stand on principle. You should rebuke your decision and ask fo our forgiveness. I am willing to give you another chance.
duff- who made you king?
thoughts ARE things. should is shit. you seem to come to the "right" conclusion for the "wrong" reasons and since I believe in what works and what doesn't work, I believe you won't "win" anyone over by insisting they "sinned" and must now repent. Pretty sure they don't care about you giving them another chance as well. you must be a "christian" thinker? I don't believe in labels and I know that we are all the same.
see my thread on conspiracy of the light.
~peace
~peace
hypocrite
So you don't believe in labels but have called me a "christian thinker" and "king" and "the right". First off, it's none of your business and secondly I was trying to be humorous. If you want to be positive, then don't ridicule people for their posts. You obviously don't get my dry wit, punk.
peace out.
I Cant Decide ..
McCain .. Obama ...
Why do we only get to pick one?
They are just both such totaly excellent choices that I cant decide between them.
I guess I will just have to vote for Chuck Baldwin instead. :)
There is not a lesser of those 2 evils!
After blaming Ron Paul for the rise of Hitler, among other gross displays of vile animosity towards Ron Paul and his supporters, you vote for the guy!??? There is a video on youtube, from Melioped, a great Ron Paul supporter (now Baldwin supporter) where she was in NH and met up with McCain. She ask if he would sign her copy of the Constitution, meaning that he supports it's content, and will follow it. HE REFUSED! That video made clear to me that no matter what, I cannot give in and vote for him! That as well as over a years worth of evidence posted here on Daily Paul as to why we should never ever vote for either of the 2 evils.
"Truth is treason in the Empire of Lies."
"Truth is treason in the Empire of Lies."