Lew Rockwell interviews Naomi Wolf - Turning Libertarian

The good thing: it seems that intelligent, open-minded socialists may fall in love with libertarian thoughts.

The bad thing: um... the nr of.......

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will occur when she takes the issues she has learned about here and in her interviews with Alex Jones, Michael Badnarik, and Lew Rockwell, and puts them front and center in the Obama camp. After all, it's the biggest camp there is (apparently). She can work for us by calling their bluff on major issues like the Fed, FISA, etc.

Wouldn't you rather see that than for her to abandon the "left" and come here to be a big fish in a (relatively) small pond? If she were to do that, the mainstream left would never pay attention to her again, and we'd lose out on a huge chance at real change.

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"Even leftists, like Naomi, can be critical about the loss of individual liberties that we have seen under the Bush administration, but that doesn't mean that she is not firmly grounded in the same leftist ideologies that are fundamentally at odds with the Liberty movement."

This is an excellent point and so well stated! And I and a few others here will keep the fire of skepticism glowing with respect to Ms. Wolf until time certain that we can extinguish it--and every bit of the responsibility for that belongs to Ms. Wolf herself.

I just Hope and Pray that Naomi truly believes Lews answers, and not just an act.

I believe there is a correlation between intelligence and willingness to ask questions even if you appear naive.

...a chatroom...

If there is one, someone please educate my laze arse. :)

"They" do benefit from the financial calamity at present hand, and the benefit is exactly why it is engineered as such. The benefit is maintenance of\increase of the centralization of power, the prevention of decentralization. An actual world war killing millions upon millions in open warfare and combat fields isn't that feasible at the moment. However, a global absolute financial calamity is easy to implement for the top bankers.

There is more to this, but I'm still thinking about it... You can bet the farm that any far reaching announced and popularized by the news media "event" is not far from planning, short of most natural disasters. There is some benefit and generally that benefit is to serve collection of\prevention of dispersement of power and continuity.

What a wonderful discussion this was. I understand Naomi because I too used to be in the European progressive Left, before I discovered that I was a Libertarian at heart by the 1990s.

People like Naomi make great catalysts to secure the support of the progressive Left. Most of the progressive left have freedom at heart, but still fon't know how freedom works.

I thought Lew Rockwell was going to put Naomi up on his knee at one point and have to explain the birds and the bees to her and so forth..

But seriously, what a great interview. I hope Naomi is busy with her homework! She has lots of it!

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Naomi Wolf is well-spoken. As a European I can say that I find the American type of patriotism highly comparable with that pumped up in the former Soviet Union, where I studied between 1979-83 partially in Brezhnev's time.

In Europe today, American-style patriotism is labeled far-right nationalism - which is the worst political label you can get here short of "fascist".

I listened to the interview this morning and was so impressed. First it was fun to hear someone who is ticked off and is willing to ask another person what they think the answers are. Second, Lew is such a good educator. I donated for the first time right after hearing the interview.

I liked the part where she said Progressives are not knowledgeable about the Federal Reserve or economic issues.

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via money as debt and the inflation tax. This is one of the largest pieces to grasp in a journey to understand our Government. Liberty requires sound money.

There was a day when the common man could earn a penny and have a penny a few years later if he left it in a drawer or whatever....a penny saved was a penny earned Mr Franklin said. Once the Fed gets a hold of that penny today sitting innocently in your bank account for a rainy day...not so much....if you were to pull it out of the drawer after a couple of years, it will buy not what it would have when you earned it. (lately by a great deal...the war on savers) The policy of inflation, for inflation is always a matter of policy, has an added benefit to the system in that it forces investment in the controlled casino called wall street lest it be one day worthless.

BTW Ms Wolf, as to coping with the incredible pain one feels in their core as they allow themselves to wake up....we had many a thread on helping one another with those feelings in the early days on DP both for sharing and for support. I know many people, including myself, found this helpful. The "red pill" or, putting accurate history and economics with the political realities for a full picture is enlightening, also shocking, and it's a bitter pill. Find others with knowledge who are awake or waking and seek support.

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning" Henry Ford

I have so much respect for her. She's slowly waking up. Welcome Naomi, the sunlight hurts. Send this interview to all those well-meaning progressives you know!

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Listen, I like to hear about people becoming enlightened about the Liberty movement just as much as the next person, but are you sure you can trust Naomi Wolf? This woman has a hard-core leftist history, supports Obama like he's the second coming of Jesus, and is best friends with some of the most radical leftists around; like Erica Jong and Jane Fonda.

Here is an article about Erica Jong that was posted on Drudge today.
Erica Jong Tells Italians Obama Loss 'Will Spark the Second American Civil War. Blood Will Run in the Streets'
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Here is a choice quote from the article:
"My friends Ken Follett and Susan Cheever are extremely worried. Naomi Wolf calls me every day. Yesterday, Jane Fonda sent me an email to tell me that she cried all night and can't cure her ailing back for all the stress that has reduces her to a bundle of nerves."

Even leftists, like Naomi, can be critical about the loss of individual liberties that we have seen under the Bush administration, but that doesn't mean that she is not firmly grounded in the same leftist ideologies that are fundamentally at odds with the Liberty movement.

It's possible that she is just trying to mop up the more left-leaning members of the revolution. It is to be understood now that the presidential campaign is over that there will be a lot of aimless, restless members of the revolution that will cling to an outspoken, energetic person like Naomi Wolf. That is unfortunate, but to be expected of any movement that brings together such a varied group of people.

Call me skeptical, but I just don't see the leopard changing its spots so easily. But, I could be wrong, of course, so I will have to reserve my final judgement for the future. Maybe she has seen the light. We can only have hope!

Great Interview!

It was nice to hear Naomi being enlightened by Lew. It was as if the light bulb above her head just switched on. I think this interview will have a huge impact on her future endeavors.

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some points it sounded like she was thinking of her next question instead of listening to what was being said, mostly as she said something like "interesting"... I just got the impression that several times she said "interesting" she wasn't actually listening.

Other than That, it was kinda like watching bambi starting to stand up.

Enjoyed it so much, I'm gonna have to listen to it again. Good stuff.

Thanks, m72mc.

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to be wary and to speak to what our experience has been for a couple of decades now with Ms. Wolf? My goodness...how would you have tolerated the knock-down, drag out, name-calling fights that took place between the Founders, the attendees to the Constitutional Convention, and the "stuff" that filled the newspapers of the day? Michael, you have indulged in the same name-calling and judgement of those whose opinion here does not reflect your own. Those of us here who wish to remain wary and state our reasons for doing so here--may we? And will you forgive a bit of the--as you see it--over the top criticism of Ms. Wolf by those of us who have been around just a bit longer than you and who have been waving the flag of warning for years and years and years. So what we spout off? Ms. Wolf championed for years everything most of us here abhor, so her few months' experience "seeing the light" does not impress--yet--and I will remain skeptical a bit longer, if you will allow it.

This was a wonderful exchange of ideas. A great conversation.

Every seed planted yields more return. Keep seeding...

And I am glad to hear her address democracy vs a constitutional republic, whether the "complete" idea is fully implemented with her yet or not. We all started somewhere, everyone learns. Words are very important. I could go on all day with these and they are all truth.

I have more comments on this but I am going to listen a couple more times first. Fantastic conversation!

Balance unto everyone!

cut through decades of left (or right) conditioning. We can all learn so much from Lew Rockwell. Much credit to Naomi for her courageous inquiring mind and willingness to have her own assumptions challenged.
I'm hopeful she'll become an ever greater freedom warrior.

She is a great patriot. We need her on the left to recruit people from that side. If martial law was declared tomorrow would you not protest with her because she voted for Obama? A lot of us here have much growing up to do.
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She is correct...this MUST be trans-partisan! I trust her now.

I am willing to trust Naomi now; she definitely seems to be on the right path. Of course, ol' Lew is one heckuva teacher.

The truth is that, for all our faults (and there are lots of them), we, collectively, in this movement, are for the most part the best informed people in American politics today. We often confuse ignorance with evil. Naomi is simply ignorant, being a lifelong liberal, but also being highly intelligent and inquisitive, she is coming up to speed.

Give her a chance.

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...that was one of the most historical of interviews in my lifetime.

why? naomi wolf has almost complete access to the "progressive" front compared to most liberals.

the two headed fascist monster has divided us, and equally thwart our liberties and freedom through force or entitlement and increasingly both.

what tickled me about this interview were two key points:

the connection she made to the federal reserve

the connection she made to the department of education

i look forward to commenting on her articles at huffpo, if the decide to have her again.

its just such fun waking up and/or pissing off "progressives".

....aka, obamatrons.

case in point: yesterday i posted that zbig's two sons were running both camps' foreign policy advisorships. it completely floored one of the liberals there and she actually came back to thank me and has decided to now vote for nader.

it is indeed, an INFO war. I hope we win on that alone, but expect it to be won on other grounds combined.

She is interviewing Rockwell as much or more that he is interviewing her.

Unless she is being an incredibly convincing actress, it seems you can hear the light coming on between her ears.

There is a wonderful liberating power in the message of freedom.

Maybe she has actually taken the red pill.

We'll see.

she's opening her mind, and ready to listen. perhaps not ready to accept. but it's a start.

i like Lew's statement about the "The State" is the only entity that can legally kill, steal, lie, cheat,

...and about 99% of the American public.

So Naomi asks a very reasonable question asking Lew to contrast his views with the left-wing "post-capitalist" anarchists.

And he basically tells her that we don't need a "state". That all government is parasitical and that we can do just fine without it.

Yikes! I know this is where I (and Ron Paul, apparently) part ways with the "libertarians" like him. We still see a role for government in providing for a common defense, protecting life and property from theft and fraud. Even if that means maintaining national borders and limiting legal immigration.

How about returning to the kind of government envisioned by our founding fathers, Lew? At least as a transition to your anarchist utopia? I guess now we know why the Libertarian Party has never made a dent in the status quo. And with spokesmen like Mr. Rockwell, neither will the Ron Paul Revolution.

Maybe Naomi should be getting her "education" from Ron Paul instead of Lew Rockwell.

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