Naomi Wolf reaches out to the Ron Paul Revolution - Part II
FOREWORD from Ray Powell:
Once again, I am posting on behalf on Naomi Wolf. At this time she seems interested in having me be her "interface to the revolution", and at this time, I am comfortable playing that role.
Her comments here are her response to the commets received from the first post I made on her behalf:
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/70780
Thank you all for your continued interest!
NAOMI WOLF'S OWN WORDS:
OK I will try to answer.
Thank you all for your many and deeply felt responses. I have to say I think all this is good. It is good to be skeptical or rigorous, good to ask questions and good to wrestle and ask me to wrestle with the many questions and positions that have come up in this discussion.
Let me try to respond to the main issues that surfaced.
What I am reaching out for?
My motivation in reaching out to the Ron Paul community is pretty simple. Above everything else I am a mom. It is true that I am connected to and working on behalf of two of the most important people on earth -- not members of the CFR, but Joey and Rosa Shipley, my beautiful kids. I am more frightened than many people areabout what I am seeing and I am most frightened as a mother. I am truly scared my kids will grow up undersomething closer to a police state lite than a free nation and unfortunately I know enough about how children and women suffer most under these conditions that I am definitely operating, as many of you have noticed, in a state of fairly primal mother-bearfear or rather not fear but a sense of real danger in relation to all of our kids. I am meeting the children of the police state now and their families -- the mother of a teenaged Ron Paul supporter, a young woman, who started crying when she told me about her worries for her child and I couldn't reassure her honestly; Ian Bicking, the brother of another young woman, Monica Bicking -- a completely average, idealistic midwestern girl, a very young woman -- who is facing a quarter of a million dollars in legal fees and possibly years of her life fighting the charge or even in prison. He was rigid with anxiety about his sister. Another young person -- twenty-four-year old Matthis Chareaux, a vet, a member of Iraq Vets Against the War, who came over to my house to tell me and the rest of the country in a video we put together about his friend Nicholas Morgan,also 24, also a vet, who is in the hospital now with his own family suffering and facing massive medical bills, because the young man who bravely served our country was trampled here at home in New Jersey by a police officer who deliberately rode his mount INTO a crowd of vets who had assembled to ask the candidates at the debate why they weren't addressing veterans' issues. (send checks for support of the Hempstead 15, all veterans, all facing charges forexercising their First Amendment rights in the country they risked their lives to defend,to IVAW.org. Specify Nicholas Morgan's medical bills please if you are moved to help.)
I know how quickly a society closes and how soon these families will become OUR families unless we all take urgent strategic and MASS action.
So I my first motivation in reaching out to you because this is the best way to protect our kids. Everything else-- theoretical, ideological -- is importantand we can discuss it all but I think as adults we have to act and the kids' safety comes first. That means restoring the Constitution and I also believe in indicting and prosecuting the criminals who have subverted it and committed crimes against our people.
To my mind, these crimes include illegal wiretapping,war crimes which violate US law and international law that the US fought for, and most of all, I personally feel, holding accountable those who are responsible forthe murder of four thousand brave young Americans in an illegal war based on lies. We are discussing a push now to ensure that whoever is President will issue no pardons for these crimes andI amasking people to alert and lobby their AG's and district attorneys to, as Charlotte Dennet in Vermont is promising to do as AG, prepare indictments to bring against Bush and other officials for these crimes.]
We, "on the left", at the American Freedom Campaign have 50 thousand members and five milliion all together in our partner organizations. You have many scores or hundreds of thousands or perhaps millions. We need, in order to fight effectively, a contituency for the Constitution and the rule of law that is -- oh, one or two hundred million strong. Strategically we are all well served when we can double our numbers for critical actions we all agree on. Neither `side' will scare the real enemy if we are fractured and unable to ally in strategic ways for CERTAIN actions.
An important lesson I learned form the pro-choice/pro-life split is that groups don't have to agree on everything or even MOST things to form powerful alliances on things they DO share. When virtually all of my liberal feminist colleagues thought we should never reach out to preo-lifers, I had a life-changing experience in Madison, Wisconsin at an event held by Search for Common Ground Project for Life and Choice (I write about this in Give me Liberty). You have to understand that each `side' is raised to fear and project negative motivations on the `other'. `They' thought we were all anti-God, anti-family and baby-killers. We theought that `they' were all misogynist religious fanatics who wanted to oppress women. We hardly ever MEET one another, the nation is so demographically segregated, or hear each other's information streams, let alone talk. That weekend I learned that each side had more in common with the other people there than we all did with most people outside that room because most of us cared very passionately about the wellbeing of women and children. We just reached different policy conclusions to address those concerns. More importantly together we came up with much better policies than either `side', with its nonprofits and think tanks and special interests, is willing to reach. `They' were more open than we thought they would be to issues of contraception and `we' were more open than they thought we would be to making adoption easier. The fact that we were face to face in circumstances were we learned we were all actually decent well motivated peopled led to our opening ourminds and that meant outcomes that would better serve women and children in the long run.
But it really changed my life to experience that because I realized I could never again demonize the `other' and that I wanted to be patient when people saw me as `other' until we could talk.
I don't want to lead you -- that never occurred to me. I want to be able to communicate with you and learn from you and especially I want to be able to send out invitations for TARGETED actions in which we are all across party lines many millions strong and be able to deliver that power for you too. And then I want you to consider them on their merits.
Our enemies are very very powerful. For instance: Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich introduced this ten-point piece of legislation that would restore much of the rule of law. Neither Barack Obama nor John McCain will ever pass it because of their allegiance to corporate pressures that benefit from shredding the Constitution. It is unlikely that either `side' of us alone can drive them to pass it but both sides and many millions more united in a mass effort can do so.
Am I trying to sell a book? I don't care if none of you ever buys a book of mine. If you are interested you can get them from the library. If you want to judge my actions, you can consider that I gave half my advance to help start the American Freedom Campaign to help push laws like Dr Paul's and Kucinich's and because the Constitution needed defense. And I gave up half my film rightsfee in order to make the film of The End of America available toanyone free online so people can understand what is at stake regarding our freedoms, especially if they don't have time to read 200-page books. And as a self-employed single mother, neither of these were easy financial decisions to make.What is driving me is fear for the country and, as I said, my kids and yours.I amnot worrying right nowmost about our material needs.
Do I think Barack Obama will restore the Constitution and the rule of law? No. And by the way I learned stuff in this thread about steps he has taken in the past that make me even more certain that he will not do so. He won't, certainly,without this agressive mass movement forcing him to do so. What I saw in observing the Clintons and Vice President Gore ande various members of Congress from the various distances I did is that even when decent people are in positions of that kind of power -- and Al Gore did actually have good motivations to serve the people, whatever you may think about his policies or his skills -- CAN'T put in place the change they want to see because of corporate pressures on them. And they WANT an energized lobby of citizens so they can say to ATand T or Raytheon or whatever corporate entity, sorry I an't deliver you this -- I have 100 million Americans organized not to let me. Ask Ron Paul if this is true or not. So if we want the Constitution back we need to create a lobby for the Constitution. And that, if it is as big as it needs to be, will have to have Americans in it with many many many different points of view.
Why am I voting for Barack Obama instead of a third party candidate? Because I feel that we don't have the margin that many other Americans may feel they do have. I do feel viscerally threatened by a McCain victory and I do fear for the nation in a very immediate way under those circumstances and I feel that a third party vote will make a very valuable point and certainly ease my inner conflicts but it is not FOR ME a responsible outcome in this historical moment terms of the care I need to take of my family. I do feel, as I wrote, that an Obama victory will buy time fora citizens' movement that can dismantle the whole damn corrupt stinking thing. You can take issue with that reasoning but it is mine.
But most of all I feel, apart from my immediate concerns, that it is still being stuck in a false paradigm to look at Barack Obama or even Ron Paul as the mark of allegiance that matters most. There is not going to be a knight on a white horse if the people don't take a lead in creating the revolution themselves. I believe even Ron Paul would want us to see that real salvation is only really going to come from within.
Again thank you for thinking about these important things with me and thank you for your challenges, information and responses.
lol Obama will save her from Bush remember?
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Ok, everybody realizes this is from before the election, right?
There's no reaching out. It's all over. Go back to your ordinary schedules.
Perhaps Ray Powell can speak
Perhaps Ray Powell can speak to Naomi Wolf on our behalf and explain just what the failures are that we see of the Obama administration. I'm sure she'll do like the rest of the Obamatards and make excuse after excuse but I'd like to see if she even responds.
i wish
these threads had dates on the headers.
They've got dates right below the headers...
...couldn't tell you why some people seem to miss that little detail.
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What a Mother!
Oh gee, what a twist..now she does it for her child.
I have this little rule, I call it The Jet Rule.. airlines tell passangers that when there is a problem with cabin pressure a yellow mask will fall from the above the head. Airline safety makes a very important point to parents, "Put the mask over your face first and breath deep so you can give your child oxygen. Passing out and being unable to give your child oxygen kills both parent and child".
Voting for Obama is unexcusable after the videos she had out on YouTiube! I could have told her Obama was going to win THE GAME IS RIGGED and her logic SUCKS. Stay home and be a Mom.
Fo get aboutit
An 'expert' like Naomi has no excuse for being deluded by Oprahama.
She can sign up and post like the rest of us. Maybe keep quiet and learn something.... like start with humility.
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Ms. Naomi Wolf never "reached out."
She sent a lackey to Daily Paul to tout Obama in the presidential race. Can't she use a keyboard? In her mind, she's too big a cheese to mix with the hoi poli. Try to find an email or snail mail address for her. Try to leave a comment on her web page. Can't do it. She went on the Lew Rockwell podcast, and made Lew do all the talking. "Um. Interesting. I see. Explain more." She pretended to be getting an education, but I didn't buy it for a second.
She's now gushing over Obama, even as he continues the policies that (rightly) scared the heck out of her when Bush was Führer.
To heck with her.
Well we're on the same side!!!
Both the left and the right, and the disenfranchised conservatives of the Ron Paul revolution.
We are on the same side, we are against AIPAC, illegal spying, torture of americans, massacres overseas, fractional reserve banking and the CFR obviously.
And why not? Have you seen the way Geithner smirks and the plans he has for all of us? That's not just you, not *ME* ladies and gentleman.
That is EVERYBODY if we don't stop the central bankers!!!!
I'm resurrecting this thread
...because Naomi was on CNN the other daying talking about feminism, and she appeared to supporting OBAMA. wtf?
she always supported Obama
she's trying to sound like we do, talk the talk to try and get our people moved to his camp. She's an infiltrator and was planted to move the unsure, not so bright over. But don't forget she thinks we are a Democracy. Nuff said!
How many hours of community service
do you think she'll sign Joey and Rosa up for? I hear you get a free cup of coffee for 5 hours.
I also wonder how many votes for Obama she gained with that piece. I have a feeling she wasted her time here.
A "Progressive - Libertarian Freedom Summit" would be fun
Progressives & Libertarians are the most passionate political people I know, and I think a Freedom Summit would be a real blast. Certainly it would double the usual book sells for both sides.
In Peace & Liberty,
Treg
Another Old Thread
Resurrected. C'mon guys. Look forward, not backward.
And the Democratic waffling on civil liberties begins...
http://www.salon.com/opin...
Ms. Wolf, leaders in your chosen political party, which you deem to be the lesser of two evils, are already backpedaling on civil liberties--on torture, no less. And doing so over a month before Mr. Obama is due to be inaugurated.
This is an excellent opportunity for you to publicly demonstrate to the Ron Paul movement that you "walk the walk" instead of just talking the talk. It's a chance for you to prove you are a sincere advocate of civil liberties willing to take on authority figures in the Democratic Party, as opposed to a political partisan who is merely trying to sell a book.
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great post Kevin
http://www.votenader.org/...
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Nice Post, Kevin
Toned down to be a little less challenging... a bit more open to giving her the benefit of the doubt to acknowledge her right to pick her own timing and circumstance, admitting your own hopes and enthusiasm for her apparently genuine overtures at liaison among liberty factions, sent to her blog and other open forums, and she and her constituents might have to start struggling with the moral confusion of attempting to craft a response.
Whatever her personal reaction is to the reality we know will be emerging, many well-meaning progressives ( likewise, straggling neocons ) will start to come to grips with the dissonance of their former faith. They will feel less reason to retrench if our diplomacy gives them no reason to circle the wagons.
My point was not to be the least bit snarky. I like the point your post succinctly states. My point is to encourage each of us to welcome those in our relations who will increasingly want to come around, shy about encountering an 'I told you so' while they struggle to reconcile their unspoken shame and disapointment over what they once supported.
Of course we wish to hasten their remission, if not recovery.
Naomi
All of this presumes we really have a choice, we don't anymore. The machine has chosen our next puppet president for us well in advance and it will never stop trying to divide us, that is how they beat us every damn time.
A vote for Obama is a vote for the machine but votes at this point don't really matter, we will never get this country back if we continue to underestimate those that have stollen it from us.
Status QuObama(hmm kinda poud for coining this one just now ;)
I gotta say I am quite disappointed by both Lew and Naomi.
Why did Lew not point out that we, the USA did not have a federal reserve until the 1920s and that for example THIS country used to work quite well under more constitutional and libertarian policies?? You know, the way Ron Paul brilliantly handles those types of questions in rapid time restrictions when ambushed by the msm! Instead he just went on and on about libertarian ideals allowing her to do the typical "but is this really feasible??" thing.
As for Naomi, please explain how you can claim that we have been hijacked, under a coup, living 1 hour after the fascist midnight, being occupied and then go vote for the status QuObama ?!!?!! Dont you see that you completely contradict yourself here and eliminate ANY shred of credibility! Not to mention the fact that in doing so you completely undermine those that have worked quite hard to give offer the people an alternative path out of the abysmal shadows you yourself paint!! I am sorry, but this is VERY disappointing.
I decided to write in ron paul when he became an official write in candidate in california, but if that hadnt happened i would have given Nader my vote. I happen to agree that the progressive liberals and the libertarian/Ron Paul have much in common so i was very optimistic about your voice...however well lets just say reading this has driven me to figure out how to register(which was not easy at all!!) and post this.
Thanks. Good response from Naomi's side
with the exception that she is in NY which is a sure blue state, thus it would make sense to vote for a third party.
I think "right libertarians" who may consider Obama to be the worst of the two McBama evils, can vote for a third party, especially if they are in safe red or safe blue state and "left libertarians" can vote for a third party without worry in a safe red or safe blue state.
I think it is important to structure the co-operation in some way. WIll Naomi and her friends also sign the 4 four issue that Ron Paul got to sign all the four major third parties? That would be a further start. She should perhaps organise a meeting of her with some of her friends with Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich and others to discuss common cooperation? Remember firedoglake and breakthematrix also have already a practical "strange bedfellows" pact/coalition.
As she says, trust and communication is important. This will not happen overnight, but step by step and will take courage.
An Obama win is more beneficial to the Revolution
Given that what is to happen will happen anyway, come Obama or McCain, it is still very important that Obama wins.
If McCain wins, Obama supporters would think they missed an opportunity and would continue to believe in the possibility that the right Democratic candidate can win an save the country.
Meanwhile, the GOP would not change with a McCain win.
With an Obama win, the GOP would go through great changes, while the Dems would come to realise that there is no difference between the 2 parties (because the planned police state developments will take place anyway).
The Left takes longer to wake up. Their economics tells them that big government helps the poor, when in fact big government helps only the corporations that control it. The way freedom works in economics is to them a sphere still mostly unknown.
Naomi Wolf is one of the best catalysts to unite freedom-lovers on both sides.
On the other hand,
Obama is good at spewing bs
and they will go along with anything he tells them.
Zombies
The Marxists will never wake up . They react upon emotional impulse rather than rational thought . To try and form some sort of alliance with the " EXTREME" Left is foolhardy . Marxism always gravitates to the lowest common denominator , that being those looking for a free handout . The hard working , disciplined men and women of this Republic do not need these degenerates . We march for civility not chaos !!!
Long live our Constitution and Ron Paul !!!
Hook, line, and sinker.
"I do feel viscerally threatened by a McCain victory...."
Naomi, that is exactly how the Demolicans have been gaming the American electorate for many years now. They gin up an artificially "too close to call" race, meaning to most Americans that they MUST vote for the lesser of two evils ... at least this time. And, of course, it will be the same the next time, and the next....
Ron Paul, as a doctor, knows how to distinguish symptoms from the disease. The symptoms are that we keep getting incumbents who damage all of us. The disease is that government has become a self-perpetuating institution, quite independent of the desires or needs of the electorate.
If you want to attack the disease, the only way is to repudiate the two wings of our one-party (pro- government control, pro- internationalism, anti- individual liberty and responsibility [for free and responsible people don't NEED to be governed]) system.
That's why it is so important in this election for millions to cast their votes anywhere but with the R's and D's. Go with a third party or independent candidate, fully expecting s/he will lose. Write in "Ron Paul" or even "Mickey Mouse," knowing that in most places neither would be counted. Or cast a "blank" for the presidential race (and any others where the other options don't seem to work). The main thing is to SHOW UP and VOTE (staying home is automatically interpreted as being due to apathy or satisfaction with either of the main candidates), and to boycott the "majors."
Then, as the old Stones song goes,
"I get down on my knees and pray
"We don't get fooled again."
Give me a break !!
Never trust a feminist , socialist , communist !!
Read this article ;
http://www.observer.com/2...
She is no patriot , nor does she have any understanding of our founding fathers sacrifices . Freedom for the civilized , forget about her , we march for order not chaos .
CONTROLLING issue
I certainly emphithise with Naomi's point of view & have the same feelings towards the 2 parties candidates...I am howerver amazed that she portrayes Obama as the "hold fast" candidate, as he is much more SOCIALISTIC in his approach toward the CONSTITUTION ....The Constitution is what we want to hold fast at this time ....Obama does not even share his birth certificate ,what else is he not shareing ???HE certainly is a proliferating candidate towards taking your liberty & wealth into HIS control...
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Message to Naomi re: Obama
Hi Naomi, thanks for your strong support in the liberty movement!
I want to bring something to your attention that I just became aware of yesterday. Did you know that Obama voted for HR 3199--the USA PATRIOT Improvement and Reauthorization Act of 2005?
This was news to me (click here for the roll call)! I had always heard people say that he didn't vote at all on the Patriot Act as he wasn't in office when it was passed in 2001.
I realize this might be a tough question, but if you were aware of this, would you be willing to address how you justify your support for Obama based on information in your next message to this site?
Thx again,
-atrickpay
Just received Naomi's book
Yesterday I received (in Belgium) Naomi's book, 'Give Me Liberty - A Handbook for American Revolutionaries'. Seems like an interesting compilation with useful how-to info that can also be applied by European revolutionaries, and elsewhere, making the book desireable across the globe (just like Ron Paul's message of freedom).
Who is Ray Powell
and how do we know this is even from Naomi Wolf?Why doesn't she speak to us through the Campaign For Liberty?Or better yet,get involved.She might learn something.
Ray's excellent interview with Ron Paul
Take a listen to Ray's excellent interview with Dr. Paul via the audio link at the top of his URL:
http://www.raymondpowell....
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Just a quick comment
Wolf is either insane, stupid or trying to trick you into voting for Obama because he is who she really wants to win. You do not "buy time" to create a movement that supports the Constitution by electing into office a one party system, where the President and the majority of both houses are of the same party. Lets not forget that the party that she wants to have mob rule over is country is so far to the left that they see the Constitution as a document that is flawed because it merely limits the powers of government and protects the rights of individuals to be free, but what they want is to change the constitution to demand the government provided for people who have less. Obama states the Warren court was not radical enough in that it did not break free from the restraints placed on Government by the Constitution. He he thinks that the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties in that it states what the federal government can't do to you, what state government can't to you, but in needs to be changed to state what government must do for you. Wolf must be pooping the same pills her good friend Jane Fonda is if they think the path to restoring the Constitution is by electing mob Obama rule. The question you must ask is when you go to vote is what do you really want to happen. A vote for Obama will push this country so far left that I do fear that the Constitution will be just an old document that was created by white men. Once one party has been placed in the power with the agenda of redefining the Constitution, how can any American be assured that they will have any power to fight back? Lets just vote for the the master of media control, the master of vote fraud, and the one who is the outspoken against the Constitution? I think not. Wolf has convinced me that I should vote for McCain. He is not the best choice but at least he will give some balance in government and give a check to the Dem house and Senate. If you truly want a government that gives you time then you want a government that has less power. If Wolf was honest in her attempt she would be calling for people to vote for McCain. A divided government would be the one that dose the least harm.
Ms. Wolf, please read this brief post:
http://www.dailypaul.com/...
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Israeli companies involved with NSA telecom tapping with AT & T
Naomi,
You might be interested (as well) in the excellent article about James Bamford's latest book (about the NSA spying on Americans since 9/11) via the article from the 'Forward' (which is the respected Jewish publication out of New York) that is linked at the following URL:
Israeli companies involved with NSA telecom tapping with AT & T and Verizon:
http://www.itszone.co.uk/...
I had given you a copy of Bamford's previous book ('A Pretext for War') and had mentioned his latest book on NSA spying in the email referenced via the following post which you still haven't had the courtesy to respond to (the paperback version of Bamford's 'A Pretext for War' includes the additional section about the ongoing AIPAC espionage case which the Israel first 'American' media is conveniently ignoring for the most part as well):
http://www.dailypaul.com/...
Here is the latest about it:
IRmep "Israel Lobby Archive releases AZC file in time for AIPAC court Amicus":
http://www.itszone.co.uk/...
Bamford had also mentioned that AIPAC espionage case in the following article for Rolling Stone:
Iran: The Next War:
http://www.rollingstone.c...
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Just added the following
Just added the following (via the edit button) to my post for Naomi which is included a couple of posts down from this one as I hope she has a chance to watch (via the program archive and streaming video link at the top of http://www.presstv.com) Alan Hart's 'Hart of the Matter' series which is currently airing on Press TV (Press TV is the only channel was aired a decent segment on the D.C. rally for Ron Paul which Naomi courageously spoke at after Ray arranged for her to appear there):
Alan Hart (a former presenter for the BBC 'Panorama' program and Middle East correspondent for ITN) has the excellent 'Hart of the Matter' series currently airing on Press TV (links for the broadcasts are included at the following message thread as his soon to be released 'Zionism: The Real Enemy of Jews' book is going to be a must read as well):
Conference: US Support of Israeli Terrorism:
http://www.itszone.co.uk/...
Alan Hart's "Zionism: Real Enemy of the Jews":
http://windowintopalestin...
I had arranged for Alan Hart to appear on Phil Tourney's and Mark Glenn's 'Liberty Hour' broadcast on the Republic Broadcasting Network as it can be listened to via the following archive link (my call was also included in the broadcast):
http://tinyurl.com/42aq69
Keep in mind that US support for Israel's brutal oppression of the Palestinians was the primary motivation for the tragic attacks against the World Trade Center in 1993 and on 9/11 as well (look up 'Israel as a terrorist's motivation' in the index of James Bamford's 'A Pretext for War' book and take a look at the 'What Motivated the 9/11 Hijackers?' youtube linked on the lower right side of http://NEOCONZIONISTTHREA...).
The following is another excellent youtube video that Tom Murphy (who manages http://NEOCONZIONISTTHREA... and http://REPRESENTATIVEPRES...) had put together for the aniversary of 9/11 this year:
9/11 and Wrong Policy, what the 9/11 Commission Report did to us. Tell politicians to stop making a mockery of 9/11 and putting our lives at risk:
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
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VOTE FOR CHUCK BALDWIN 2008
"It's not the people who vote that count. It's the people who count the votes." (Josef Stalin)
A vote for a socialist is a vote for socialism.
Have all the pretty verse you like, but in the end you have shown the same as the "average" Amerikan, a lack of character and principle.
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I agree completely. Either you stand by the principles of Liberty or you don't.
Meum Pactum Dictum . . . or
as Al Pacino playing Tony Montana in "Scarface" put it , "All I have in this world is my balls and my word. . . and I don't break them for no one!" Words to live by.
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Naomi still hasn't responded to the following
Naomi,
I respect your courage very much in addressing (via your books which I bought and had you sign as well) the fascist-like state that our great country seems to be slipping into. However, you could at least have the courtesy to address why you chose to ignore my question/comment as conveyed via the following URL:
http://www.dailypaul.com/...
Was it because you had seen my prior questions/comments on C-SPAN 2/Book TV like the following one for Chris Hedges who was the moderator of the recent third party debate with Chuck Baldwin and Ralph Nader?:
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
Ralph Nader had courage to address AIPAC's influence on our Middle East policy in response to Chris Hedges' excellent question during that debate as I commended him for such in the post-debate viewer calls as the following youtube conveys:
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
Nader also had the courage to go to bat for the USS Liberty survivors as well(www.ussliberty.wordpress....) as the link at the following URL conveys:
http://www.itszone.co.uk/...
The following youtube is linked at http://NEOCONZIONISTTHREA... as well:
McCain, NeoCons, the Israel Lobby Ron Paul Weekly Standard (USS Liberty attack/cover-up mentioned)
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
At least my anti-Zionist Jewish friend (Phil Weiss) has the courage to address the root cause of the Iraq war (and the coming one with Iran) as he saw my exchange with JINSA/PNAC/AEI Neocon Richard Perle at AEI (the American Enterprise Institute) in D.C. a few years ago and mentioned such in the following blog entry of his for his Mondoweiss blog via www.philipweiss.org as I responded to him near the top of the comments section there:
http://www.philipweiss.or...
Phil had the following piece for the 'American Conservative' about AIPAC's annual D.C. convention earlier this year (Obama, McCain and Hillary Clinton all pandered to AIPAC there):
http://www.informationcle...
Even Kevin MacDonald conveyed in his 'Thinking about Neoconservatism' article and 'Neoconservatism as a Jewish Movement' monograph (both linked near the top of the following message thread) that Neoconservatism is indeed a Jewish movement but that not all Jews support such:
Neoconservatism as a Jewish Movement:
http://www.itszone.co.uk/...
The following 'Whose War' article by Pat Buchanan is a bit dated now but is still an excellent read:
Whose War (Israel's war)?:
http://www.amconmag.com/a...
Again, one should access the 'A Clean Break' link on the right side of http://NEOCONZIONISTTHREA...
You might be interested in watching the following Dutch documentary about AIPAC:
Must watch Dutch documentary on the Israeli Lobby (the interviews to include with John Mearsheimer are in English):
The Israel Lobby. Portrait of a Great Taboo
AIPAC's Push for War with Iran:
Here is a Google video for the English version of that Dutch AIPAC documentary (must watch especially for what Lawrence Wilkerson and Tony Judt mentioned near the end!):
http://video.google.com/v...
http://freedocumentaries....
Look at how Obama talked against the Mearsheimer/Walt book (www.israellobbybook.com) as conveyed near the beginning of the following article from the 'American Conservative':
The Lobby Strikes Back:
http://www.amconmag.com/a...
Additional about the Mearsheimer/Walt book at the following URL:
http://www.itszone.co.uk/...
Thom Hartmann was even a coward in how he handled my listener call on his radio show and in person as well recently at the American Jewish University as he used the typical 'anti-Semitic' straw man diversion as conveyed via the youtube linked at the following URL:
http://www.itszone.co.uk/...
The following was just added to http://NEOCONZIONISTTHREA... by Tom Murphy who manages http://NEOCONZIONISTTHREA... and http://REPRESENTATIVEPRES... as well:
C-SPAN Caller Gives Warning About AIPAC and JINSA:
http://Tinyurl.com/AIPACJ...
Tom has been a real patriot as well (his recent entries at Representativepress.org about the third party debate are also linked at the following URL):
http://bravenewfilms.org/...
Alan Hart (a former BBC presenter and correspondent for ITN) has the excellent 'Hart of the Matter' series airing on Press TV (links for the broadcasts are included at the following message thread as his soon to be released 'Zionism: The Real Enemy of Jews' book is going to be a must read as well):
Conference: US Support of Israeli Terrorism:
http://www.itszone.co.uk/...
Alan Hart's "Zionism: Real Enemy of the Jews":
http://windowintopalestin...
I had arranged for Alan Hart to appear on Phil Tourney's and Mark Glenn's 'Liberty Hour' broadcast on the Republic Broadcasting Network as it can be listened to via the following archive link (my call was also included in the broadcast):
http://tinyurl.com/42aq69
Keep in mind that US support for Israel's brutal oppression of the Palestinians was the primary motivation for the tragic attacks against the World Trade Center in 1993 and on 9/11 as well (look up 'Israel as a terrorist's motivation' in the index of James Bamford's 'A Pretext for War' book and take a look at the 'What Motivated the 9/11 Hijackers?' youtube linked on the lower right of http://NEOCONZIONISTTHREA...).
The following is another excellent youtube video that Tom Murphy (who manages http://NEOCONZIONISTTHREA... and http://REPRESENTATIVEPRES... as mentioned prior) had put together for the aniversary of 9/11 this year:
9/11 and Wrong Policy, what the 9/11 Commission Report did to us. Tell politicians to stop making a mockery of 9/11 and putting our lives at risk:
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
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I wasn't quite
sure about Naomi but after listening to her with Lew Rockwell I realize she is just now realizing how far the corruption is. Constitution First, Second and Third priory this election.
Naomi is Uber Hot
I couldn't help myself, she's a very attractive woman. :)
On a more serious note, I welcome her to the liberty movement so long as she's here to listen and take the best of what knowledge we have to offer and utilize it, learn from it.
I bought her book, it seemed interesting and it was. Unfortunately, it was little more than an explanation of the steps to what we already knew was happening.
You admit to being afraid. I've noticed this in your interviews. These days you seem and sound like you're just about to cry. You remind me of Sarah Conner in the original Terminator film. You need to stop being afraid and toughen up like the Sarah Conner in Terminator II.
Only then will we be able to help you and will you be able to help your children in the dark times ahead. There is no place for fear, only determination. The determination to protect your kids and help turn this world into one they can prosper in without being afraid of a tyrannical government kicking in the door in the middle of the night.
My biggest concern for you, Naomi, is that you don't yet understand what the liberty movement is about. Yes, you'll find plenty of differing opinions from minarchists, anarchists and 9/11 crazies but the basic premise is the same and you can find it in "Libertarianism in One Lesson" by David Berglund and the flash animation "The Philosophy of Liberty".
Start there Naomi. Read/watch those and get back to us.
...but needs a good hairstylist
...for a good trim and a trendy style ;)
Naomi? Are you kidding? Her
Naomi? Are you kidding?
Her hair is one of her major strong points. Yes, it looks retro, but so what?
She has wonderful hair.
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If only your SUBJECT was as well thought out as the REST...
If only your SUBJECT was as well thought out as the REST of your post! :p
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http://www.RaymondPowell.com
Ah, but it was!
I got your attention and therefore also Naomi's so in a roundabout way, it was well-thought out... sort of. :)
Besides, I think it needed to be said. I haven't seen anyone else do it so I took it upon myself to be the first. It is sincerely meant as a compliment, she is a very striking woman.
My first experience with her views was via a youtube video of one of her lectures. I found what she had to say was very in line with what the pro-freedom movement had already known was happening. She simply explained the "how" of it all through the ten steps of a closing society. I found her opinion and knowledge valuable enough to buy the book.
My immediate concern was that she was not part of the liberty movement but rather someone on the left of the old political spectrum, an outsider looking in to a world we had seen and were already fighting.
I found this unfortunate because she was still stuck in the mindset of left and right (rather than the true political spectrum demonstrated in The World's Smallest Political Quiz which is an eye-opener for those new to libertarianism) and had little knowledge of us.
I think she is quickly learning and beginning to embrace the concepts of liberty. It will be a rough road for her though because she's been indoctrinated in the system for so long. She's used to depending on government using force or the threat thereof to redistribute wealth.
That the right and left truly are two sides of the same coin may be new for her. The left takes from the wealthy and middle-class to give to the poor and the right takes from the poor and the middle-class and gives to the wealthy. This concept of letting people keep what they've earned and voluntarily helping out the less fortunate is new to her and its acceptance is more difficult if you're the type of person that feels most people are greedy, selfish and evil and that government is needed to force people to give or people will starve. It's hard to leave the old ways behind.
I think once she's been able to digest it all and find a balance between all the various ideas and opinions of this movement, she will be a powerful ally in preventing the doomsday event she fears.
Obama is a very attractive man
Ugh, I still can't stand him. That is the huge difference in men and women. Men look and decide to listen, women listen and decide if they like what they see.
I beg to differ
I think he looks like an unattractive salamander with big gills for ears.
That is a stereotypical (bordering on sexist) comment about how women perceive things.
I think Ron Paul is beautiful because of what is on the inside and McCain and Obama are equally ugly to me.
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I can't argue with any of this
I was having to stretch to call him nice looking ugh. Also, I know I was being sexist, but I was really just being funny--except I do think men think with --well, you know. I agree with you about Ron Paul.
I don't think it hurts
I don't think it hurts anything to point out that the author of "The Beauty Myth" is attractive.
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Please know there are many of us who appreciate the importance of your efforts.
You are one of my few heroes.
I thank you.........and I stand with you.