Previously unreleased footage of WTC 1 and WTC 7 collapsing

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preceded the WTC 7 collapse because one of the three main "trusses" weakened due to fire and the penthouse was "resting" on this truss...and therefore the penthouse collapsing first "supported" the NIST conclusion.

Excuse me I have to leave for a moment.

There, I'm back...I needed to vomit. I feel much better now.

In an implosion and I mean ANY implosion of a steel framed building over 10 or 15 stories in height the demolition engineer MUST cut the center support columns FIRST. If he does not, disaster will ensue as the building will TIP OVER rather than implode. That's why they call it an IMPLOSION.

Thus, the central columns get cut first. These are the support columns that the penthouse is resting on......duh. I mean look at the damn thing. It is basically in the center of the roof....duh.

So the five nationally televised broad daylight camera angles that show the central columns being cut FIRST just support another little old routine implosion.

By the way office fires don't melt heat treated support steel. Good God what kind of idiot who has researched steel building engineering for more than 45 minutes could actually suggest that desks, carpet and wall board burning is going to create 1000's of degrees of heat is nuts. Pick up a book. The GD building is DESIGNED to survive a fire. Heat dispersion and fire suppression are foremost in the building codes for any city.

The NIST report suggests the following:

The building's architects were criminally incompetent.
The buildings' engineers were criminally incompetent.
The building's occupancy permit was obtained through fraud.
All departments of New York City relating to codes and engineering are criminally incompetent.
The FDNY fire inspection department is criminally incompetent.
The fire suppression design is hopelessly out of code and inadequate.
The building's insurance carrier did NOTHING to inspect and affirm building safety in support of issuing a liability policy for a 47 story building that contained the mayor's own super duper double secret crisis commando bunker ...this means the mayor's office is incompetent also....I saved this one for last...the guys wears women's clothing...what the heck right?

Since you're trying to keep that divisive bullshit post about 9/11 and Obama-Birthers alive I figure I'll bring this back. Also Freejesseventura, and Rhino as well as Cameron_Dehart.

Maybe you want us to focus on this.. Maybe their is other more important things that you're wanting people to not discuss.

Either way this is showing the truth of demolition.

Only a complete fool or Absolute Shill would deny this fact

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about 3-4 days ago with an update of these two videos. Their comin' out with a DVD with more.

I bought a gingerbread house this weekend (its a buyers market) and followed the instructions blindly along with the pictures. I had a undecorated house caulked at the seems with icing. THEN i proceeded to decorate it (as per the instructions). It slid and fell apart and the roof broke and i did eat it. The only way to do it so it looks like the picture on the box is to decorate each wall FIRST and then erect it- prefab. When it comes to bld 7- just LOOK at it- use your damned head. Quantum physics can convince you that an elephant can dangle from a cliff by its tail holding a daisy. Stop reading about it and LOOK at bld 7 collapsing. Use common sense. If you never knew about 9/11 and saw that video- youd never think "fire"- youd use your unpolluted brain and say "demo".

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!!! The jackass below..."whoreassyusatthegate" will ramble on and on about ANYTHING except the simple fact that this new video of BLDG 7 irrefutably shows that it was a controlled demolotion. It's a common disinfo tool.... distract and confuse, and say anything to distract from the obvious. Building 7 was a controlled demolotion. No Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon. Don't be suckered into this shill's bullshit storm.

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One of the main inductions made by 9/11 deniers to promote their vague conspiracy theories concerns the testimony Norman Mineta gave to the 9/11 Commission on May 23, 2003. According to the conspiracy theorists, in his testimony, he offers a startling glimpse into “The Octopus” at work: a belligerent Dick Cheney telling an anonymous ‘operative’ to order the military to ‘stand down,’ to let the planes hit. As one conspiracy theory site reads, “fact that the 9/11 Commission Report discarded his testimony has never been explained.”(1) Well, let’s give it a shot.

In his introduction to the Commission (the conspiracy site I just referenced erroneously states that he began his testimony on the 22nd; it was the 23rd according to the Commission archives), Mineta offers a brief outline of his own career serving the United States:

“I have seen terrorism in several forms and from several vantage points over the years, as an intelligence officer in the United States Army during the era of the Korean conflict, and in Congress as one of the early members of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.”(2)

So right away we know that, as an intelligence officer (I believe Dylan Avery would refer to him as a “spook”) and later a sitting member of one of the most important foreign intelligence-oriented bodies in the government, one that was intimately involved in the affairs of Iran-Contra, that if we lived in the black and white world of the conspiracy theorists, Norman Mineta would really be one of “the bad guys.” If we were all plagued with the functional myopia of the conspiracy theorists, we would behave as if Mineta were literally incapable of telling the truth.

Those conspiracy theorists, however, have decided that because his words can be used to support their daffy claims, this particular “government shill” has a photographic memory, is always honest, is never confused about anything, and should be considered more trustworthy than 100% of the forensic evidence available to us – even though he has since admitted that he’s probably confused about the issue at hand (see below).

The meat of his testimony, distorted and repeated ad nauseum by the Troofers, is thus:

“I was made aware of it during the time that the airplane coming into the Pentagon. There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, "The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to, "The plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the vice president, "Do the orders still stand?" And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?" Well, at the time I didn't know what all that meant.”

And the 'suspicious' fact is that this testimony contradicts what Dick Cheney and one of his aids, Josh Bolton, remembers:

“A military assistant asked Cheney twice for authority to shoot [the Pentagon plane] down.

"’The vice president said yes again,’ remembered Josh Bolton, deputy White House chief of staff. ‘And the aide then asked a third time. He said, “Just confirming, sir, authority to engage?” And the vice president -- his voice got a little annoyed then -- said, “I said yes.”'(3)

In his testimony, Mineta puts his arrival in the secure bunker at “about 9:20” and his questioner, Timothy Roemer, has him reveal that “five or six minutes” later, the above exchange took place. However, the 9/11 Commission states that this conversation didn’t even happen until 9:58. Its source? The logbook of the shelter. This is the only forensic evidence available – the rest is based on either the shoddy or duplicitous memories of Dick and Lynne Cheney which, for obvious reasons, shouldn’t be relied on as historical record.(4) However, no information is given as to who records what in that logbook, or what the procedure is. It could be anything from a high-tech motion-sensing computer to a hotel-style guest book; something towards the latter seems more likely given the fact that it had never been truly needed since its construction under Franklin Roosevelt.

Everyone makes it clear that their memories of that day are imperfect. “At this point things began to happen quickly,” Mineta said delicately of events after the second plane impact. As even the conspiracy theorists note, Cheney was moved from his office in the White House down into the bunker in “less than a minute.”(5) Unfortunately, the conspiracy theorists who want us to believe that Norman Mineta is a living tape recorder have never accounted for the admitted fact that no one even pretended that they had the final word on the timing of the day.

In other words, there are countless explanations for this so-called “contradiction.” Even when confronted by a herd of valiant 9/11 deniers, desperate for any scrap to go on to support their discredited theories, the diminutive Mineta responsibly states that he “might have been mistaken on the 9:25” but feels quite certain that “he was already there.”(6) Dick Clarke said he arrived just after 9:00AM (why don’t 9/11 deniers ever use his testimony to prove that Mineta was a lying spook, too?), and Karl Rove, George Bush, and Condoleezza Rice each recall slightly different timing from each other.(7) Now, if you were about to initiate the worst mass murder and act of treason in US history, wouldn’t you want to at least get the most obvious parts of your story straight?

The truth about Norman Mineta’s seeming “contradiction” is that it is a false flag set up by 9/11 deniers to pretend that there is an argument where there is none. Eyewitness memory of elaborate or traumatic events is completely unreliable, dim or bright, cunning politician or lowly peon. You know you’re dealing with a confusing situation when even the only forensic information (the logbook, which is only ‘forensic’ in the most technical of technical senses) is probably unreliable. In order for the conspiracy theorists to win this argument, they have to try to convince you that 9/11 was not a day of confusion. Raise your hand if you were never once confused about anything on 9/11.

Even the implications of the conspiracy theorists’ claims are absurd at the outset. “Norman Mineta and Josh Bolton recalled different timing in the PEOC on the most confusing day in American history, THEREFORE THE GOVERNMENT CAUSED 9/11?” Someone connect those dots for me.

They use this claim to launch the argument that it proves that Dick Cheney gave orders to sit back and let the attacks occur, with foreknowledge of course. Well, that’s what we’re meant to infer from the conspiracy theorists. Prisonplanet simply asks:

“if the standing order given by the Vice President prior to the aircraft hitting the Pentagon was not a shoot down order, then what was it?”(8)

And simply sits back and lets likeminded conspiracy theorists pretend that this question is proof of a 9/11 conspiracy. Never mind the fact that all the evidence contradicts them; not only were there jets scrambled on 9/11 with orders to “engage” (rather than shoot down, which is normal procedure for hijacked planes, which until then were used as hostage/ransom devices, not missiles), but any “orders” given by Dick Cheney would indeed have to have been necessary because (and these laws were changed after 9/11), the Executive Branch has to give direct permission for any emergency order of that kind.(8)

The truth is that the 9/11 deniers have no idea what to make of Norman Mineta’s testimony. Even the most stalwart frauds can do little with their supreme ability to distort information other than simply pose vastly extrapolated questions pertaining to minor quibbles about the bumbling questioning of a confused politician. In any other context, this would be put on the shelf of claims along with the triangular Bigfoot footprints and the fuzzy pictures of UFOs/Frisbees. But hey, if you’ve got DVDs to sell…
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Sources:

1. http://www.911truth.org/a...
2. http://govinfo.library.un...
3. http://edition.cnn.com/20...
4. See footnote 213 to chapter one of the Commission Report.
5. http://www.cooperativeres...
6. http://youtube.com/watch?... . Ironically, this video erroneously states that Mineta’s testimony to the commission has been “deleted” (it has not, see above), and that Dick Cheney said he arrived at the bunker at 9:38, which there is no evidence of.
7. http://www.cooperativeres...
8. http://www.popularmechani...

by John Ray

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WHERE WAS DICK CHENEY ON THE MORNING OF 9/11?

Why are you all avoiding this question?

Could this be your achilles-heel?

You all NEVER have an answer for the Mineta Testimony.

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that aviceoftreason and rustybuick and Mr. W.A.H.O.R. don't have much to say about this video. I would like to see them get the trouncing they deserve.

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y. It was a tape they had made from a training exercise here in the county.
It showed them placing the charge on the door (metal security door), and then blowing it, the door frame was sent into the building then bounced back into the yard, the metal security door, no longer existed, just shrapnel about the size of your thumb nail was all there was. On the same tape, they placed a charge on a brick wall, it blew a gaping hole in the brick, and completely into the structure, the bricks were pretty much powder. This was just a small Sheriffs department, in Alabama, from the time they placed the charges until they blew them was less than 45 seconds, imagine what people could do in a couple of hours. Granted this was just an old brick building, but the small amount and the short time frame it took to "pull it" with 3 guys (45 seconds) was amazing.

We are donating our old house to the volunteer fire department, to train in, and do a live burn on, along with them I am letting the Sheriff use it for, hostage training, I will try to video how quickly they can "pull it" when the do.

I know that a 110 story building is different than a house, but enough people with the right materials could do alot in a few hours.

Thank you Dr. Paul for making my act on what I already knew was right.

These same Israelis were witnessed cheering and taking photographs as the World Trade Center came exploding down.

Why did our government let them go back to Israel on mere immigration violations? Why did we not attack Israel, who is apparently involved with 9/11 more than Iraq, Afghanistan, and Osama Bin Laden?

Before and after 9/11 more than 200 Israelis, including active Israeli military, were arrested or detained in the United States, many for espionage against the U.S.

As the reader you can't believe this? Check out the facts:

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Ron Paul's Convention Speech

I don't care who you are, buildings just don't fall like that from any kind of fire...

http://www.ae911truth.net... with this new video and their contact pages don't seem to work ? anyone else want to try ?
~Mikael / Peace, love, Light and unity ~