What's Wrong With Massachusetts (North Dakota too)?

Taxachusetts sux.

Unions,teachers,welfare recipients,public employees,make up alot of the votes. But also well to do families voted no on question 1. Because of all the fear mongering going on. The teachers union spent 5 million to defeat it. this is a socialist state

whoever lead the campaign to abolish income taxes in those states is an idiot. Why? All they had to do was use other states that have NO income taxes as their example and answer to the fear tactics used.

Florida does NOT have a state income tax and we have some of the best roads in America. Our fire and sheriff are some of the best funded and our infrastructure has shined during emergencies. Need some examples?

Hurricanes, hurricanes, hurricanes - Sure FEMA was called in on some of them but not because the people called FEMA in. You had more ordinary people go to Punta Gorda for Hurricane Charlie just to lend a helping hand. Florida is proof - because for the most part - people here lend helping hands to neighbors Before government even arrives.

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The government waged a huge fear campaign on TV about how devastating it would be if the people didn't pay income taxes, and the sheeple believed it.

But guess what, the sheeple knew something. If the income tax was abolished, the state government would not have been cut as mandated by the people.

Instead, the bloated state government would have remained largely intact, and "aid to cities and towns" would have been cut instead.

So, in effect, the state would have refused to give us back our own money, while maintaining the cronyism in the state.

The further removed the government from the people, the less tax that they should be able to collect.

Local government should get the most tax, state next, and federal the least.

"The Constitution was written not to regulate you in any way, the purpose of the Constitution is to restrain the government." Ron Paul.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdUoq0ihC2U

I don't want a cut in services. I care about social services.
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I don't want my property taxes to rise.

People are afraid of what government will due if we cut them off from our income.

One, they feel they will cut spending in forms of social programs

Two, they are afraid the state will cut funding of their communities and their property taxes will rise.

Everyone I talked to said they were going to vote NO. If you ask me, they are insane. Why on earth would you vote to PAY TAXES?

However, I could not effectively counter their arguments.

I was totally shocked that #1 did not pass to end the tax. Massachusetts is truly a welfare state. The reason it didn't pass is because too many are benefiting from the programs one way or the other. They just don't understand that to kill the beast you have to cut off its head. This Revolution has a long way to go!

I live here and have never been able to explain it. Bigger fences make better neighbors.

to sell it. My mom voted for it due to fear.

I'm still waking up, still learning and still reading and made the mistake of voting to keep income taxes thinking it couldn't make things any worse. I need some lamen terms on some of these laws and what they are really about so I can debate with the people who think like the rest of the masses. Like I once did. What is prop 2.5? could someone point me in the right direction?

Your parents are dopes. Are they so ill-informed that they don't know that in order for their property taxes to go up, there would need to be an override of Prop 2.5? That the ads put up by the opposition to ending the income tax lied right to our faces about that? Where are people storing their heads these days when they're not using them?

Don't answer that. That's more a rhetorical question. :)

And oh, Aphrodite, if you're taking my comment personally, please know that I told my husband that when this country completely tanks and the communist members of his family who voted for Obama need help, he should know up front they won't get it--not from me, anyway.

Remember when Ron Paul first said that if we pared back the budget to just what it was 10 years ago ... we all could stop paying income tax. Everybody gasped, sure he was wrong. But he wasn't. I think that's how most people think ... they think society would fall apart if we didn't pay income tax.

Welfare States they rely on these Democrats to make decisions for them.

The issue in ND is that property tax burdens are so heavy. Income taxes are already pretty low. This was not the measure we needed.

My parents live in MA, I talked to them about the income tax vote and they were on the fence. They insisted that their property taxes would go up, which in MA is ridiculous to start with. They voted lesser of two evils (in their mind) to keep the income tax. In their bracket, retirees, house paid off, lots of vintage cars, it made sense. Low income, but own a lot of pricey stuff.

The state government must have put a lot of FUD (fear uncertainty doubt) out there for the sheep to second guess themselves. Either way it is a shame

of Teddy ( Big Taxer & Spender ) Kennedy.

Massachusetts changed to Taxachusetts !

Wake-up people it is YOUR money !!!!

HYDROMAN
stay up there and never come down here.

The government ran a huge advertising blitz promising gloom and doom if the state tax was abolished, and the sheep listened.

Please do not say bad things about my state, because the sheep live everywhere in this country.

But one good thing on the social freedom front, is that marijuana is now decriminalized, and not many states can say that.

Peace

"The Constitution was written not to regulate you in any way, the purpose of the Constitution is to restrain the government." Ron Paul.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdUoq0ihC2U

and I saw a man holding a Tierney, rep. dist 6 MA, sign (a true traitor, voted against the bailout, then flipped his vote) and I was about to yell traitor at him, until I realized he was a former colleague of mine, who I respected in the past. I decided to engage him. I asked him why Tierney voted against the bailout, then changed his vote. He blathered about this and that, I politely told him that I would be voting against his choice and wished him good luck....

Looks like he is going to win, bastard.

One positive is that it looks like question #2 is going to pass.

This election, I'll take ANY victory.

I hear ya. How could the state that perpetrated the Boston tea party and fired the first shot of the revoution, just crumble into the sickening side show that it has become?

This is the same state that keeps re-electing big spending Ted Kennedy and Barney Frank. You think they're going to vote to eliminate income taxes?

we are becoming the british empire

and what more fitting then having Boston "come home" as the prodigal son.

it's like the British Empire said

"go ahead son, throw that tea in the harbor"

"some day you will understand and embrace what we have taught you"

"...would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude." ~ Aldous Huxley, Brave New World

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