An Open Letter to Michael Nystrom
An open letter to Michael Nystrom:
Mr. Nystrom-
I have been a great admirer of your site since I first started paying close attention to Ron Paul two summers ago. During Ron Paul’s campaign, the site served as an excellent outlet for news, analysis, and collaboration. I checked the site on a near-daily basis for over a year.
Since Ron Paul’s withdrawal from the race, I have noticed that the general consensus of on the site was thrown into disarray, as were many supporters of Dr. Paul who were disappointed and confused by his exit from the race. I expected that the site would eventually recover, and continue to push the liberty movement forward with unified gusto.
Unfortunately, what has resulted could not be more to the contrary. The site has devolved into a marking post for rash theories, uselessly unrealistic optimism (i.e. “Ron Paul can STILL win this election!!!”), and apocalyptic pessimism (The next Holocaust is coming), wastes of bandwidth that do nothing positive for the cause. The movement has been splintered apart and its definition has been lost, and sadly, that reality is being manifested on the Daily Paul.
Additionally concerning is the current atmosphere to be found on the site. Although I have been a daily visitor to the site for a year, I created my account on it just a few days ago to share my “RON PAUL!!” yell during McCain’s concession speech with everyone. In my other postings on the site, I have been ruthlessly attacked and scathingly slandered as a non-believer in the cause by a myriad of senior members on the site, seemingly for two reasons alone: one, I my account is new to the site, and two, I did not support Chuck Baldwin in the general election.
I do not write of this because I can’t handle the criticism, but because I have great concerns about how inhibiting these types of attitudes will be to the movement. Not only will they prevent others from joining up, but they will turn-off and upset those who already have. I know this site has already endured the wrath of one group of disgruntled and determined former members (the “Vaginalution”).
In light of this, I hereby ask Mr. Nystrom to please make the Daily Paul completely unavailable for one week’s time. This will provide ample opportunity for the bad feelings on the site to be cleansed, and for all of us to think about how much we really appreciate this site and the potential it has. Without some sort of drastic action, the site is well on its way to becoming just another imitator of 4Chan.
Sincerely,
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Dear Michael
Please ban the above Bozo and his threads for one week due to his ignorance concerning liberty and freedom of speech.
Anytime someone makes a post
Anytime someone makes a post like this it is simply because they have no self control to stop reading posts they don't like and wish to impose their will on others by trying to get people to post only things they want to read.
No one but you is responsible for what you choose to read! Take responsibility for what you read and ignore post you don't care to read and quit trying to brow beat folks into only posting things you want to read.
This is one of if not thee best forum on the web because of the freedom Michal allows here. I would hate to see it change because some folks can't control themselves and take responsibility for what they choose to read.
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Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. H. L. Mencken
Get Prepared!
diversity
That is what I love about this site.
We all get to say what we think, including you.
Shut it down for a week??? Oh, HELL, no!
We are all here for the same reason and that is freedom!
I have had my feelings hurt here, I have been confronted by others about comments I have made and I have confronted others. I have also been driven to tears of joy by actions of people here. We may not be one big happy family but we are family!
We disagree and sometimes we get spiteful but all in all we are all here fighting together for the same thing. If you can't cope with that then you should sign off for a week.
Right now we are fragmented and looking for a good way to further our beliefs in liberty. So step up to the plate with some good ideas or hush!
I agree
I have to agree with this. This used to be a site I could frequent for activism so that we could do real quantitative good for the movement, and instead I only shadow here now, and never post.
There is so much hostility here that I have mostly left off to pursuits that are more fruitful such as building the Libertarian Party. Surprisingly even though we didn't break huge records for our Presidential candidate, we did do great nationwide and my volunteer requests and inquiries have jumped through the roof.
I personally think theres some room for optimism and not all the gloom and doom I usually see. I think that if we come together with moderate tone and present our cases for legitimate government appropriately, we can move mountains. Let's run more B.J. Lawsons, Ron Pauls, Bob Barr's, Chuck Baldwin's, etc. The most freedom candidates we can get, the best we can do. I don't see why we can't all be friends if we are willing to try.
Austin
Well, I am very happy
that you are very pro-active. So, your a shadow and a producer, wow, what a great combination. LOL Sorry, it's late. Yes, I agree we all can be friends and family on the Daily Paul. Only some family members are more annoying than others. LOL Gessh, I better give up and go to bed.
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Personally, I LOVE the diversity of views on this site, and the myriad and broad topics of interest. I have learned a lot from DP users. I really liked your 'Ron Paul' yell video, too.
It's kinda like the real world here at the DP, except with a higher I.Q. and more free thinkers- there will be emotional, sensitive, and/or angry moments. Toughen up, take what's good & ignore the negative, or hit the door. Stay at C4L if you want a narrower focus and more polite posters. We get lively here, and we LIKE it that way.
bye, now.
Love Ya Grammy ....*Muah!!!*
Love Ya Grammy ....*Muah!!!*
First of all welcome to the site.........
good to have you on here.......2nd , you have the right to vote for who ever you want, and to feel the way you do with out being attack...But you can't tell some one how to run their web site...Just think of Daily Paul as a grocery store, pick what ever you want and leave the rest on the self.."(People are passionate on this site,it just the way it is")
"Observe the masses,and do the opposite."
Alas, I have resolved to abandon the Daily Paul
Au revoir!
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good
riddance
If anonymous comments scare you away...
Ron Paul's Convention Speech
non-believers
i think the non-believers are putting a real damper here, too. don't think website going down is the solution, though
LOL, LOL, LOL
ah, you crack me up. Chill out if you have been around for a year lurking then you damn well know this is not your mother's forum. We love this place because Michael leaves us alone. We probably have more trolls than patriots sometimes I think this is the battle of the trolls night. It's like professional wrestling. I'm not a fan of it but in between all the fussing I do get a nugget of truth. That's way more than I get from MSM.
Yay, for nuggets!
Ron Paul's Convention Speech
Hey quilt did I miss the picture of Michaels quilt?
"Ideas have consequences." Ron Paul
I got Michael's
quilt in the mail and he should get it Wednesday. My email doesn't work right now think it has a cold. Hope my son gets it fixed when he comes to visit TurkeyDay. I couldn't send a picture. I think Michael will post one when he gets the quilt.
Yea, what quilt said. Right on the money.
"We shall have world government whether or not you like it, by conquest or consent." Statement by Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) member James Warburg to The Senate Foreign Relations Committee on February 17th, l950
Battle of the Troll's night! LOL
I really appreciate your sarcasm, especially since I know it comes from a warm-hearted person.
The trolls are coming and going, the patriots stay.
Fellowship of the White Rose
Anyone who's really interested, will really stay.
Yep!
Ron Paul's Convention Speech
Ridiculous!!!
We all are here for the fight for Liberty! We also agree to disagree on alot of things...that is why this is such a wonderful community!
You are going to run up against a brick wall on this suggestion because even though we may bicker and disagree on some things it is the very notion of freedom to express your opinion that brings us all together here!!
Open your mind and show some tolerance...you may learn something new! We have our good days and bad days but we will pull through together!
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"Thomas Jefferson is rolling in his grave fast enough to be a new source of energy independence."~ samthurston
http://www.campaignforlib...
Shut down the site?
Couldn't you just consider this site's forums to be like television? If there is some thing you don't like going on, simply don't read it.
There are TONS of good informational posts at this site. Why not read some of them?
Another option would be to offer ideas to benefit the rEVOLution rather than sitting by and *watching* for how long did you say? Only to point out all the flaws you have observed while watching everyone.
Be the change you want to see in the DP
I don't know about the 'shut down the site for a week' idea. I don't think that would have any benefit. But I think I know what you feel about the DP going down hill, especially thanks to the ruthless attacks made by the few, upon all with whom they disagree.
There's a lot of hate and negativity going on here; some put a lot of effort into attacking others (NeoCon tactic) instead of actually being constructive. They seem to look for something to attack rather than to actually contribute something.
I too was attacked for making posts the same day as I signed-up. I'd been visiting this site all year but finally wanted to get involved. I got attacked for defending an unpopular position and having only registered recently. I was also accused of being someone else registered under a new name.
But I think we'll just have to deal with it. The DP seems to have become a debate site more than a constructive one - at the moment at least. I don't know if there's a good way of dealing with it. Maybe the site needs better rules, and actually enforce them more.
Or maybe we should try to out-compete the hatred by being more productive and not adding to the problem.
But despite the negativity and hatred, I still enjoy being here for my part. I'll just do my best to be the change I want to see in the DP.
Thank you Think4yourself.
Thank you for your honest and candid comments. I know that my idea of temporarily shutting down with site is extreme. But it seems to me that something major is going to have to be done to turn this problem around. Like most problems, I am sure there are other solutions out there.
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CITIZEN'S ARRESTS on McCain/Obama
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Ron Paul began this journey for me, but...
he as well as the Constitution are only dots in the middle of a BIG circle. These two points of reference are not only what tie us all together, but this document and steadfast, consistent beliefs of this man from Texas are what inspires me. Besides that, everything else is fair game to discuss, and why not? We are all trying to find out the truth. The truth about whatever is concerning us. No boundaries. Shutting down the DP for a week sounds like the same thing that a bank or stock market holiday would do...NOTHING!!!!! IT ALSO IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!! DOES THE GOVERNMENT OR THE NWO WANT TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS ALSO!!! We are not a static group. This is a dynamic process that helps me stay strong to my convictions about freedom, liberty, and is a great way for me to stay grounded in my beliefs. Intellectually, the DP provides me great mental stimulation. You people are bright, and I appreciate that fact very much.
Read all of this Arrest-them-NOW and get back to me.
I guess it's a personal difference.
Some people want the site to be for pure discussion, while others (such as myself) see recruitment having a more important role.
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Thank you for your eloquent post
in which you express disdain in disguise about the level to which we have stooped (this is in a nutshell in plain English what you are trying to tell is).
Not sure if we have to be grateful for your post or offended. I prefer to be neither.
All I can say is that if you feel we are as a forum 'going to the dogs' I would be able to offer you some forums where you might feel more on the same level with their members.
For crying out loud, allow everyone to come to terms after the exhausting 12-18 months of being active, not just with campaigning but also with learning so many new aspects of what happens behind the curtains of the dirty game of politics. The reality of what we have seen coming with a win by any other candidate than Ron Paul is not an easy one to just absorb.
I for one am not in need of a Godfather like type. Having been here a while, I am sure our 'Daily Paul family' will be back on track pursuing the cause of liberty.
Feel free to join, everyone fighting for the same goal, but please do not try to tell everyone off in a so called educated manner. It's deceiving and condescending.
There is always another option for you: start your own forum!
Thanks for your honesty
I appreciate it, and I will think about what you have said.
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cut the crap
i don't like the myriad idiotic conspiracies being thrown around here daily, but to shut down the site...thats just even stupider!
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Zionists for Ron Paul
http://www.americansforis...
Come clean, who did you used to post as?
And why 2 new names?
MickeyMouse:
Member for
2 days 6 hours
Arrest_them_NOW
Member for
2 days 7 hours
I have never before posted on Daily Paul on any account other
than this one.
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Okay I believe you
I realize you'd willingly admit to any sort of deception for whatever reason.
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"Do the Math"
Let's leave it to Mr. Nystrom
he would be able to prove that the two accounts are not related.
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Wow. That is the most unbelievable thing I've heard....
...since November 4th!
Take the site down because you don't like how you were treated?
Holy shit, man. Do you think this is the Obama site?
Better idea, why don't you log off for a week and come back when your skin is a little thicker. By then, we'll have the daily Kumbaya sing-along organized and you won't have to worry about dissent or protests or anything like that.
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
Please re-read the post.
I do not want the site down because I am personally offended, but because I believe the way I was treated is indicative of a much larger attitude problem that is going to inhibit the site and the movement.
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Let me look into my bag..
Justcantgetenough
Billydee
FEDor
Whom else? I'm sure there are others that have fallen to the wayside.
If we do not test you metal and resolve. If you parade around here like you own the place. If you think you are more important than anyone here on the DP. Then yes we will push you. What? You think we just sit back and allow anyone to act a fool in the house of Ron Paul. You started off good but now your leaning towards trollish behavior. No troll though has ever asked for this sight to be shut down. Thats a very bold move on your part.
It is bold.
And so is this R3VOLUTION. Or should I say was.
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You're here posting a couple days
(regardless of how long you say you've been visiting here)
and already you consider yourself "influential/important/convincing" enough to have the whole site shut down?
That's rather laughable, don't you think.
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DIEBOLD: "If Your Vote Counts, Then We're Not Doing Our Job."
Please show me exactly where I claimed to be
"influential/important/convincing" in my letter. I have no illusions about that. I was simply trying to express my opinion to Mr. Nystrom, as well as the other members.
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CITIZEN'S ARRESTS on McCain/Obama
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BTW, Mickey Mouse says hi
He signed up for membership the same time you did. He was wondering why you changed your name, though. What was wrong with the old one?
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DIEBOLD: "If Your Vote Counts, Then We're Not Doing Our Job."
Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc
A classic fallacy.
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C4L
is actually better suited for some people. I came back here from C4L because the DP is much more honest.
see how Michael named the
see how Michael named the site "Campaign for Liberty at the Daily Paul"?
This site is the forum extension of the c4l site. Michael announced that when he announced his affiliation with the c4l project. The c4l site is for education purposes. It in NO WAY is dishonest in its representation and its intent is well formulated and organized. It is critical that any REVOLUTIONARY go to the c4l's states sites and learn what they can do in their own state to affect change at a local level lest we forget what the revolution is about.
"Ideas have consequences." Ron Paul
Very laughable
and unecessary.
"There can be only one permanent revolution - a moral one: The regeneration of the inner man."
—Tolstoy
I don't think shutting down the
site is a good thing. There are diverse people expressing their opinions. That is OK by me and I will comment when it I feel like commenting, or just reading the messages, or ignore some completely because they are no interest to me. But that just me. I agree to stay on topic that is relate to Ron Paul , the Liberty message, or current events that may effect our lives. Other than that, POST AWAY.
The funny thing about that little white speck on the top of chicken sh#t. That little white speck is chicken sh#t too. - Ernest Tucker
Some people can handle more
Some people can handle more freedom than others....toughen up or don't let the door hit ya...
Doc Holladay
Nashville, TN
http://www.myspace.com/do...
Ummm....
If you read my letter thoroughly, you would have read the part where I made it clear that I am not posting this because I can't handle the treatment personally. I posted this because I am worried about how this attitude is going to effect the movement in the larger sense, and as it relates to newcomers.
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Hey, reality and truth don't
Hey, reality and truth don't hurt the movement. It might scare away a few, but when it all hits the fan, they'll remember where they saw it. The Revolution is what it is.... sometimes reailty sucks, but we won't get anywhere running from it to protect the weak and the sheep..
Doc Holladay
Nashville, TN
http://www.myspace.com/do...
Ok that may be true, but...
Are things really going to get anywhere unless we atract a good deal of new members? And are we going to be able to do that when new members receive ill-treatment?
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you are read loud and clear.
you are read loud and clear. you make a phone call and don't get the response you're looking for so you make that a point of greivance. that incites another response you deem unacceptable so you once again lash out, this time against a site and posters who are free enough to speak their mind.
are you sure you understand liberty because the way you conduct your life seems like a microcosm of neo-con foreign policy?
Sounds like Obama pulling the race card whenever...
someone disagrees for no matter what reason.