Obama Requires Community Service and Removes his Agenda from Website After Scrutiny.

Has his campaign said anything about that issue. Was it a typo or did they rethink their position?

can do for your country". Seemed alot more sane coming from JFK for some reason.

I was nearly in tears after reading a thread about this on a different forum. Everyone was praising it for being such a great idea and that anyone who opposed it is clearly "selfish" and "lazy". The lone voice of dissent was someone who lived in Eastern Europe during the 70s-80s, and was desperately trying to warn everyone from experience that forced community service is only another way for the government to control you.

It was a heartbreaking realization of what the next 4-8 years will look like--people mindlessly supporting anything Obama says no matter how oppressive or ridiculous it is. This is why I almost, ALMOST wish Bush were staying in office. At least when his administration did something insane, people complained about oppressive the government is becoming. They at least realized that they were getting screwed over. Now they will buy anything the government tells them hook, line, and sinker without a second thought. Good luck trying to wake up people now.

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on November 4th? Yes, believe that people are making plans for this event and want a national holiday.

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Previous version:
"...developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school every year..."

Current version (presently what's printed online):
"...by setting a goal that all middle school and high school students do 50 hours of community service a year..."

D'ya suppose B.O. changed his mind? P'shaw; he's using smooth semantics. Now, in the revised presentation, he's just setting a harmless little goal...a goal which (ahem) just happens to require 50 hours / 100 hours, yadda yadda yadda, unless you actually believe he'd change his plan.

My favorite part about this presentation is that it starts off with the idea that people get to choose -- from B.O.'s website:

"When you choose to serve (...) you are connected to that fundamental American ideal..."

...only, this is not about choosing to serve, but coercion to serve.

What I'd really like to see on that web page is B.O.'s plan for those who choose NOT to participate in said community service.

So unfortunately the precedent is http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/Butl...

In the case of butler v Perry, in 1916, the court upheld a florida law requiring a person to work on the roads in his county.

Two obnoxious quotes from the decision

the 13th Amendment declares that neither slavery nor involuntary servitude shall exist. This Amendment was adopted with reference to conditions existing since the foundation of our government, and the term 'involuntary servitude' was intended to cover those forms of compulsory labor akin to African slavery which, in practical operation, would tend to produce like undesirable results. [240 U.S. 328, 333] It introduced no novel doctrine with respect of services always treated as exceptional, and certainly was not intended to interdict enforcement of those duties which individuals owe to the state, such as services in the army, militia, on the jury, etc. The great purpose in view was liberty under the protection of effective government, not the destruction of the latter by depriving it of essential powers.

There is no merit in the claim that a man's labor is property, the taking of which without compensation by the state for building and maintenance of public roads violates the due process clause of the 14th Amendment. That Amendment was intended to preserve and protect fundamental rights long recognized under the commonlaw law system.

I think the only constitutional argument that may hold up would be the states right argument, that states may require you to do public service, but that is not one of the powers given to the federal govt, and is by the 10th amendment reserved to the states.

We should have Dr. Paul introduce an amendment that the government shall not be allowed to require citizen service.

Another relevant case is http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2007_09_23-2007_09_29.sht...

The only required community service would be for students, who already have required community service hours. 50 hours is excessive. And I am not sure how you go about enforcing 100 hours a year for college students.

Its excessive. But there is a precedent.

I believe this is unlawful as per the 13th Amendment. But consider the following as well:

The article states that each college student would receive a $4000 yearly tax credit. Census data from 2000 reports that there were 14.4 million college students and 3.1 million graduate students...

That's 57.6 to 70 billion dollars in tax credits per year. That means if this ever passes the budget deficit will grow by approximately that amount each year.

In addition, 100 hours of service in trade for $4000 tax credit = $40 / hour. How can anyone justify paying college students that much per hour? That's more than twice the pay rate for the average working adult in the U.S.

Still, though, I believe it is unconstitutional for force anyone to do this involuntary work.

I also took a screen shot of this the moment I read/saw it a week ago....

I posted it on my C4L blog and in multiple places on facebook...

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The question is what next will you have to do for government to get something?
It sets a bad precedent for future presidents to exploit.

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They will name it something cool sounding. Maybe raise the peace corp funing by 100X.

See people who voted in poll about it are against idea!

already giving grants to college students?

Why not make them work a little bit for it?

And how is giving education grants for community and peace corps service worse/different than giving grants for military service?

The only thing I don't like is the "mandatory" word I hear thrown around..

Reddit this now!

what is with these retards?