Gary Johnson or Mark Sanford 2012? ideas?
Submitted by MickeyMouse on Sun, 11/09/2008 - 22:08
Its done. Gary Johnson 2012 has more facebook friends than Sanford 2012
by a factor of more than 5 to 1. If it is any indication
An excited and spontaneous following isnt something anyone can make happen. Not that many are excited about Sanford especially after endorsing McCain & attending the bilderberg meeting.
I myself was rooting for Walter Jones. I really wasnt so Johnson excited because social conservatives may not like one of his newfound positions(marijuana advocacy), but social conservatives never supported Ron Paul anyways. At least the majority
so Im jumping on the Johnson bandwagon already.
If you like Johnson then lets expand his facebook support more
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=38552147212&ref=mf
Now can Ron Paul endorse Johnson early enough so that we start this already
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Sanford. But either would be
Sanford. But either would be great.
still for sanford
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Gary Johnson
no brainer!
Ventura / Johnson or vice versa ....
Gary Johnson all the Way!
Gary Johnson did MORE as Governor than Sanford. What has Sandford done that is so revolutionary? What radical thing has he said or even advocated?
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Indeed!
you know for the whole GOP Gary Johnson would also be much better than any of the other, including Mark Sanford. Johnson would make the strongest appeal to Independents, minorities (with his libertarian stance, especially the drug war that affects them disproportionately negative) as well as women. He is more experienced, more handsome looking and kinder than Sanford and brings NM and surrounding CO etc. to the table, whereas SS is a safe GOP state since decades.
Sanford is a strong fiscal conservative, having demonstratively held pigs to symbolize the spending addiction. Johnson however beats him on this having transformed the economy of a blue state into the black and being elected for two terms with being "Gary Veto". Also, only Johnson (apart from Dr. Paul) is the one candidate most Libertarians (capital L) can get behind.
http://race42008.com/2008/11/26/governor-gary-johnsons-seven...
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Sanford? NO NO NO
He's a Bilderberger!
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You can also add that Dr. Paul specifically invited Johnson to speak at the R4R, as he consider him as a successor, and also in case something happens to Dr. Paul. I can't see how any of the other speakers can be seen as a political successor to Dr. Paul. Ventura is no successor to Dr. Paul in the GOP
If the GOP nominates Johnson, Ventura may just break his rule and endorse Johnson, as they know each other from their time as governor.
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Sanford endorsed McCain. Nuff said.
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First things First - It's way to early to be speculating about possible presidential nominees - re-read Ron Paul's the Revolution a Manifesto and start small. And are you serious about who you want the nominee to be - or just wishing? - get involved in a party if your serious - from the sidelines your just a spectator.
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Why isn't there an "End the
Why isn't there an "End the IRS"?
We have no more hope of influencing policy on the Federal Reserve, via waving signs, than a sand flea has of lifting an elephant.
Public education on Income Taxation would have better traction.
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Yes, but....
"First things first", yes. However, the key to winning anything is $$$. If we can all get behind someone now, imagine what kind of moneybombs can be collected over the next 4 years. Also, imagine the press that would come from someone raising a few million so early. It's good marketing and the public might just pay attention. IMHO
I agree.
This all comes down to money. To capture the Presidency we will need at least $100 million. Possibly $150 million.
That's doable, if we mount a public relations campaign on the Internet very soon. It can be done, in my opinion.
There are only two problems.
1) I don't see anyone as inspiring as Ron Paul among the choices, and it's very unlikely Ron Paul will run again.
2) We will face huge hurdles and challenges based on party, whether we go Republican or Third Party.
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Mark Sanford
I like Sanford because a while back when the budget was 400 million below what it should have been he refused to raise taxes and instead started cutting a whole lot of crap. Although I am still curious about his foriegn policy.
Foreign policy?
Last November I remember a lot of talk about how great Sarah Palin was and that she would be a great VP for Ron Paul. Then, after McCain's picked her for his VP, we found out that she is a warmonger. Before any talk about Johnson or Sanford goes further, how do they stand on the Bush/McCain's ideas on foreign policy?
Johnson was the only Republican Governor not to endorse Bush
Johnson was the only Republican Governor not to endorse Bush in 2000
Johnson also endorsed Ron Paul in 2008. Johnson also attended Ron Paul's rally for the Republic Nuff said
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My two favorite speakers at
My two favorite speakers at the R4R were Ron Paul and Lew Rockwell. My least favorite speaker was Gary Johnson. I just listened to the speech again to try and determine why I didn't like the guy. Except for his self congratulations for vetoing a bill regarding Qwest Communications, I couldn't find anything else I disagreed with. Perhaps he will grow on me. As for right now, he reminds me of a slick Mitt Romney type. Sorry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2EhAVQS2V8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcu8jWD2Qs0
Videos
Here is Gov Mark Sanfords youtube channel.
http://www.youtube.com/user/GovernorSanford
Gary Johnsons speech at the Rally for the Republic
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2EhAVQS2V8
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcu8jWD2Qs0
Mark Sanford for sure
He is a Patriot!
wrong. He endorsed McCain.
wrong. He endorsed McCain.
You can't win without the party behind you.
Sanford did not endorse McCain until after the primaries. I believe he endorsed Mcain in 2000 but not in 2008 primary. I think that says a lot.
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Its funny video but, we should go after these lost souls...
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Johnson's flamboyance
Johnson's flamboyance sometimes spills over into his politics, as when he said that wife-beaters should be "soaked in honey, staked on a red ant hill in Texas, and shown on national TV." He once suggested planting microchips in the brains of criminals. As for abortion, he's one of those politicians who say they're personally against it but wouldn't be comfortable outlawing it-yet local pro-lifers love him. "He backs every piece of legislation we're for," says Dauneen Dolce of the Right to Life Committee of New Mexico. That includes "parental consent," "informed consent," and bans on assisted suicide assisted suicide, partial-birth abortion partial-birth abortion and Medicaid-funded abortion. Johnson didn't win the group's endorsement in 1994, but got it four years later".
A serious man as well as a free spirit, Johnson speaks with the earnestness of an infomercial actor. His speeches sound like pleas propelled by force of logic, as if he genuinely doesn't understand how reasonable people could disagree with him if they just spent enough time thinking about the subject. His remarks can turn amusingly Socratic, with Johnson asking himself skeptical questions and then providing sharp answers".
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/The+New+Mexico+Maverick:+Gov.+...
In 2000 he was the only governor to endorse Steve Forbes for president. I know Dr. Paul also supported Forbes then and Forbes campaigned for Dr. Paul in his district, when Dr. Paul was up against the Democrat turned Republican Greg Laughlin, and Laughlin was supported by Bush senior and junior in the primary, Karl Rove, Newt Gingrich, the NRA etc!
If only Steve Forbes could
If only Steve Forbes could be the millionaire we need to make our message mainstream!
defe07 actually Johnson dosent need Forbes. He is very wealthy
A self made multi millionaire who has more than 1000 employees
he didnt take a single donation when he ran for Governor. He self funded using his own money.
just what we needed. A rich candidate
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Here is a good
Here is a good interview(although rather long) from REASON to get some insight into Gary Johnson.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1568/is_8_32/ai_68742...
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When did the choice get narrowed down to two People?
I've said this before -- We need someone with huge star potential that can over-shadow their obscure name. Can call in a lot of markers -- in the media a lot (not just a small state govenor or senator).
Judge Nopalitano and Jim Rodgers would make a great ticket.
Napolitano/Rodgers in '08
Maybe John Stossel
Be nice to find a popular Libertarian Woman as a running mate, but if you got two of the above three you might not need that vote.
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Remember
Obama was also not exactly widely known before he entered the race. Perhaps only Oprah's endorsement put him on the map. I rather want a principled conservative than a moderate/liberal celebrity as a leader, see CA and McClintock vs Schwarzenegger. CA's finances would have been much better had McClintock been governor.
Also think about Dr. Paul ...he was mostly unknown by most, and he was not a senator or governor, and what a difference the new media has made. Some say if the Ron Paul movement had started say 12 months earlier, Paul could have won the primaries, who knows. A governor has executive experience and a good name.
I agree the three names you have mentioned are wonderful people, but none of them are going to run for president, or really have party political experience. Rogers (not Rodgers) lives in Singapore, not the US. Napolitano would stay in his field, he could be a great justice secretary though. And Stossel is a journalist and TV presenter, not a politician.
I would much rather go for Gary Johnson than for Clint Eastwood or Tom Selleck, for instance. So you want to have a big state governor only, want to go for Rick Perry, Michael Bloomberg, Arnold Schwarzenegger (if the constitutional ban would be lifted)? Go ahead, but not with me or most RP supporters. BTW Illinois or Arizona are not exactly big states, yet both of their senators got elected. and Obama is the junior senator in IL. Biden is from Delaware, one of the smallest states!
As VP for Johnson I think Dr. Paul, or otherwise a cabinet position for him and Sarah Steelman (who could win the senator position for Missouri in 2010) could be a great possibility. Susan Collins and Olympia Snow, senators in ME as not conservatives and more old. Steelman was an associate economics professort, treasure secretary of Missouri, run in the primary for gov. almost made it, is 50, will teach a university course and she is VERY attractive and her father is a Goldwater conservative and very respected, her husband also played a strong role. And Missouri is important as a northern state.
BTW: We are talking about a Republican Party nominee, not a Libertarian Party nominee. Face it, any LP nominee would have 0 percent of getting elected in 2012.
Unless we compromise our
Unless we compromise our principles and choose a member of the New World Order as a standard bearer, there is no way we will ever capture the presidency with a Republican. It's really a waste of time to even fantasize about it.
If he's a principled conservative/libertarian who isn't part of the authoritarian order, he is extremely unlikely to win the nomination. (Example: Ron Paul, 2008.)
If he somehow wins the nomination, he won't be elected. (Example: Barry Goldwater, 1964.)
If he somehow gets elected he will be politically compromised and/or shot.
(Example: Ronald Reagan, 1980.)
Third Party has severe challenges, as we all know, but at least we aren't trying to beat the dealers in their crooked casino.
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Speculor: Napolitano and Rodgers are Not Incumbent
I disagree -- I don't know this Johnson character and most people barely know Ron Paul.
You are wrong about Barack. He was well known in the black community on the east coast and in Chicago (huge population). In fact his name was known throughout the midwest.
Ron Paul said they were grooming Barack since 2005 -- RP said it was always going to be Barack.
I believe the Ballot Box process approach toward "liberty" is an entire fallacy and I want a politician in office you knows this.
Rogers and Napolitano -- How could you pick Johnson over them. Napolitano is a Constitutional Analyst and heavy RP supporter. Rogers is one of the wisest investment "gurus" out there.
Let's circulate this one and see if it gets steam.
I don't want to have to spend 4 years "creating" Johnson -- Ron Paul was un-known though he was on the scene for 35 years.
Rogers and Napolitano are very well known and have a markers they could pull.
My suggestion is more logical. No more career politicians.
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That is exactly it
Johnson is NO career-politician, he is a citizen-politician. Johnson was invited and spoke at the Rally for the Republic and endorsed Paul in January this year. How can you say we know nothing about Johnson? Time to do some DD.
There is a different to analyze the constitution and cases and governing a state.
Governing a state is much closer to the presidential role. Have you enquired whether Napolitano would be interested to run for president in 2012, or do you want to spend 4 years touting him, only to find out he is not willing. He would be great as constitutional supreme judge or a justice secretary. Jim Rogers is living in Singapore for heaven's sake and he would have NO interest to become president in the US.
An idea
why don't we make a wordpress website about johnson for president in 2012 or a website like "dailygary" :-) where people can first systemize ALL news articles, pictures, info and interviews (I think there was a meet the press interview in 1999 with him? I could not find it yet) to work parallel with dailypaul, ronpaulforums etc.
Another reason why Johnson would be a better pick than Sanford
There are of course a lot of Hispanics in NM and Johnson knows them much better than Sanford and must have gained a lot of support from them as well.
Sanford represents the GOP as a "southern regional party", which the GOP should avoid. Also Johnson serves as advisory board member/director of the Republican Liberty Caucus, along with Barry Goldwater Jr, Dr. Paul and a few others. He addressed the RLC meeting in Florida this year.
Dr. Paul attracted the most minorities during the primaries. The GOP should win a certain percentage of African-Americans back in 2012 with Johnson, but also Hispanics and it should focus on Asians (Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Indian etc.). Johnson could gain a lot of inroads among them. We should actively identify radio stations focussed on Asians in crucial states and eventually schedule interviews with Dr. Paul and Johnson and eventually get some of their community leader involved and to endorse. You have to build up trust, and this takes some time, so one cannot start too early with this really. With Hispanics, one should not support illegal immigration or amnesty to attract them. They are usually very religious, culturally conservative, strong family and pro-life and those are the issues to appeal to, apart from economics and foreign policy.
I would definitely support
I would definitely support Gary Johnson if he chose to run. In fact, I would support anyone involved in exploring his chances and convincing him to make a run. He needs to be brought to the attention of those in the GOP who are tasked with digging the party out of this election's fiasco. The sooner the better, lest he is outmaneuvered by Romney, Jindal, Palin and other hopeful, but less obviously acceptable candidates.
I know much less about Sanford, but from what I have heard, he seems like great step in the right direction as well.
So much will depend on how popular Obama is in four (or even 2-3) years. If people still adore him, we're likely toast regardless of who runs.
yes
I think Johnson should not launch a full out campaign yet, but he should start working behind the scenes, meet with key influential groups of the conservative base of the party. He would be assured of most Ron Paul supporters, I am sure, so no need to persuade people, although people can give him radio time to get acquinted. It would also be a good test for him for radio interviews, not that he does not know how to campaign or debate, but practise makes perfect. He needs to meet with people like Dr. James Dobson, Phyllis Schlafly and some religious right leader. He as an advantage above Romney in this regard and also among the "Southern Baptists", he is himself no Southern Baptist, but they should consider a Lutheran much closer to them than a Catholic like Jindal, not that I want to play on differences. He should also meet with Catholic groups, for which pro-life is very important. Romney does not have a consistent record on this.
Sanford's Endorsement Would Have Really Helped In SC Primary
and it never came. I'll take Johnson in a heartbeat.
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Sanford
said he would not endorse anyone in the primaries, as he had to campaign a lot for the candidate. I can understand this good. Remember McCain was angry at Sanford as he did not endorse him with SC. McCain also only won FL after Crist's endorsement, otherwise Romney may have won Florida, who knows.
A governor cannot and should not be so partisan as say a senator of congressman, he should unite the people in the state. If he endorses one candidate over another in a primary, he estranges one part of the GOP from him. Sanford only endorsed McCain after it was clear McCain would win the nomination, as a unifying statement behind the party leader. Sanford is strongly against the bailout, while McCainw as for it. He praised McCain's record on pork, which is about all one could compliment McCain on (his claim to fame), but McCain lost that all with the 150 B pork bailout. I'm sure he is not very close to McCain, he is definitely more conservative. If he attended Bilderberg, it could be as an "informant" also, as they would not all be in on the deal. Where does people like Tucker etc. get their inside info from, do you think? Sanford is strongly for smaller govt. which is against the idea of big world government.
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This was a critical election, and there was only one conservative running. Many governors took sides; it was wrong not to.
I'm not saying I'd rule him out, but he has a lot to do to convince me. Where is he on the Fed? That is a critical issue, and of course there are others.
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I just watched Gary Johnson
on You Tube. If this man runs for president in 2012. I would give him a vote of confidence. Well spoken. Humorous. Clean Cut. Family Man. Ex Two Term Governor. Businessman. Fisically Conservative. Libertarian Ideals. Intellegent. Healthy, Not a CFR member. Give him an Aye!
Oh yes, the Republican Party didn't back him. That is a real good reason right there. If Bush don't like him. He probably is a good, honest person.
Now is the time to JUMP-START the campaigns for 2010 and 2012.
We didn't lose. The ignorant lost. We know what has happened. Personally I think John McCain Has been used as a patsy. To bring about an Obama administration.
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Bumping for the following
Bumping for the following ticket:
JOHNSON/PAUL 2012!!
We shouldn't expect RP to
We shouldn't expect RP to run again. He'll be in his mid-70s.
Yes
I do not think Dr. Paul would run as president in 2012, but he could be a great/excellent VP choice. A Johnson-Paul ticket sounds wonderful. Dr. Paul can be the adviser of Johnson in many things and would work well in senate to get legislation passes, he would enjoy a lot of bipartisan respect. Cheney was also older and more experienced than Bush, same with Biden with regard to Obama and more importantly Paul and Johnson would be a great team and work together. Paul could be VP first the first 3-4 years and Johnson could get say Sarah Steelman (if she goes for senate in 2010) as VP and Dr. Paul could serve in Johnson's cabinet. There are senators and congressmen that are 85 and still very active. In NJ Frank Lautenberg (age 84) has just been re-elected, he will be 90 when his terms finish and is still in good health. Dr. Paul looks and acts much younger than McCain, although he is a year older than him.
Yes, but neither Cheney nor
Yes, but neither Cheney nor Biden were/are elected in their mid-70s.
Johnson endorsed Ron Paul
Did Ventura??
good point RonPaulistheAnswer
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