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9/11 HOW DID IT FIT THRU THAT HOLE AND WHERE DID THE PASSENGERS GO?

has anybody seen pics of the pentagon when it got hit by the plane? i have and it looks more like a rocket entrance!

but i have one question that i have always thought of.

if it was a rocket like some claim. where did all the passengers go?

and what about the other flights? where did they all go like in the case of shanksville where no bodies or parts where found?

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There is nothing that can be done for these people

So, 110 stories of the "world's strongest buildings" fall in 0.136 seconds per floor (15 seconds divided by 110 stories).

As I said, there is nothing that can be done for these people who wish to believe the government's official conspiracy theory. It matters not how many facts we share.

We're done here.

Hey, Oruval!

I see you did not respond to my post. Can't answer any questions? Dismiss, deflect, and run away like usual. You sure are a coward. Run Oruval! Run!

Can't defy physics.

No amount of malarkey you spread to confuse others will ever defy physics..

Now you want to call me a coward then you name the place and the time and we will meet.. I'll show you how a coward feels as he's rubbing your face in the dirt.

Seems like all you have left in your argument anyhow is trying to get me to fight you.. Why would I want to degrade myself by stooping to your level..

Pathetic is what you are.

this is

Funny and sad coming from a group of people who have done nothing but avoid questions for years.

Always try and ask a question to answer a question that is your regular tactic right?

typical official government conspiracy theorist

This from the individual who will not respond to the question, "what makes you believe the official conspiracy theory?"

So I ask again, what makes you believe the official conspiracy theory?

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"An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it. Truth stands, even if there be no public support. It is self sustained." -Mahatma Gandhi

Maybe he's a coincidence theorist

who thinks evil people don't work together.

Pentagon Strike..

This will explain how no plane hit the Pentagon..

http://www.pentagonstrike...

Besides, A 747 would rip apart at that nautical speed that close to the ground. Only reason a plane build like that can reach 500 mph is because the air is extremely thin when you're at cruising altitude. Ask any pilot and they will tell you the air density would not allow a 757 to travel at that rate of speed that low to the ground.. IT"S IMPOSSIBLE.. unless of course you hook a monster rocket to the Rear of the plane and hope the wings don't shear off from the air density!!

P.S. horiusatthegates who posted below me is a DISINFO spreader.. All he does is post half truths and Grey Matter to waste page space.

You may want to check out

horiusatthegates seens to be genuinely interested in truth

I've noticed his posts have been very logical, thorough and filled with great references. The important thing is that, unlike the Truthers, he doesn't ignore evidence that might hurt your theories.

For example, there were zero parts found on site belonging to a cruise missle. However, there were plane parts and body parts found all over the place. You guys want badly for everyone to ignore that evidence. He doesn't, so I'm more inclined to believe what he says as opposed to the half-truths I heard from "Truthers".

These theories that a missle his the Pentagon are just bizarre. Watch this UNDER THREE MINUTE video and tell me how you refute it:

http://www.youtube.com/wa...

Sorry

9/11 myths .com dose not count as a credible source since well it cannot even be cited.. THAT MEANS THEIR IS NOT A SINGLE CITEABLE SOURCE on the pages he usually posts.

Here are plenty of citeable sources

http://patriotsquestion91...

150+ Senior Military, Intelligence Service, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials
630+ Engineers and Architects
150+ Pilots and Aviation Professionals
320+ Professors Question 9/11
230+ 9/11 Survivors and Family Members

There have been some studies

There have been some studies which seem to identify the "plane parts" as belonging to an A3 Skywarrior: http://www.rense.com/gene...

This seems more consistant with eye-witness testamony than a missile, and is quite plausable.

Doc Holladay
Nashville, TN
http://www.myspace.com/do...

Are you scared, Orifice?

Can't answer any questions? Dismiss, deflect, and run away like usual. You sure are a coward.

Explain this video:
http://www.youtube.com/wa...

This video proves your near free fall speed claim is a lie. If your near free fall speed claim is a lie, then your controlled demolition theory, which would have made the buildings fall at free fall speed, is a lie as well. Watch this video and learn that Oruval is the one who spreads DISINFO.
http://www.youtube.com/wa...

You are telling me

With your childish name calling and videos that physics are breakable by 19 terrorists because they hate our freedoms.. I don't care if it was Jesus Christ himself that said wtc 7 was going to fall.. It sure as hell wouldn't have crumbled right down the path of most resistance.. It should have fell over onto other buildings. But demolitions were used.

Let's look at this with common sense shall we disinfo spreader.

http://www.youtube.com/wa...

Great Vid, and yes

Great Vid, and yes "whoreassheisatthegates" sold his soul for what it was worth.... a couple of happy meals and a blockbuster membership card. Absolutely worthless drivel.

Doc Holladay
Nashville, TN
http://www.myspace.com/do...

Hey there, Cok Swallowaday!

You sold your soul when you suggest that hundreds of thousands of your fellow countrymen were complicit in, or conspired in, the murder of 3,000 of their fellow countrymen. You are a despicable person.

Here is a list, not complete of course, of those you accuse, as part of your "inside job" conspiracy.

"What is the total? It's hard to say, not least because some people could have more than one conspiracy or coverup-related task. Still, here are some of the people who have very useful knowledge about 9/11 events (assuming you accept all the 9/11 conspiracy theories; cross off names here for the ones you don’t)

CIA agent Larry Mitchell for meeting with bin Laden in the months before 9/11, and everyone else in the CIA who knows they're not actually trying to capture him after all
GW Bush and various family members (if you're to believe the relevance of Bush family members being involved with the WTC security company Stratesec)
Condoleezza Rice (if you believe she had enough knowledge to warn Willie Brown that he might be in danger)
John Ashcroft (if you believe he had enough knowledge to decide not to fly commercial flights)
Larry Silverstein (if you believe he knew 9/11 was coming and that there were explosives in WTC7)
The 19 people who played the part of the hijackers, if you believe they were just their to play a role and were never on the planes
Enough senior people at the FBI to block progress in the Moussaoui case, ensure the Phoenix memo was ignored, and more
Ahmad Umar Sheikh for funding the hijackers, General Mahmoud Ahmad for ordering him to do so, and enough of the ISI to get the money and cover up that they were doing this for the US
Everyone who found out about the attacks in advance, and chose not to go into work rather than warn anyone else, and didn't mention this after the fact (thousands of Israelis in the towers, and so on), and everyone who warned them
Everyone responsible for the insider trading before the attacks, the CIA for supposedly monitoring these transactions but doing nothing about them, and enough of the SEC and FBI to ensure that the report was a whitewash
The members of Bush’s secret service team on 9/11 (who presumably either knew in advance that he was safe, or haven’t spoken out about their surprise about what happened subsequently)
The five "dancing Israelis" who filmed the attack "as it happened", and presumably many others in Israeli Intelligence, and enough people in the police or FBI to cover up the details of the case and get them shipped out
Everyone responsible for planting evidence in the hijackers cars, bags and so on
Everyone responsible for planting evidence in the WTC wreckage (passports etc), or removing it (WTC black boxes)
Air Traffic Control and flight schedulers at the takeoff airports (to cope with the double flights), and to make sure they didn't follow procedure in reporting the hijackings promptly
Whoever prepared the "special" planes swapped for the real flights, complete with "missile pod" for firing into the towers just before impact, and the ATC and Norad staff who didn't mention the swap
Norad and senior officers working at the day (so they could lie about the war games and their lack of response)
Fighter pilots who deliberately flew too slowly so they wouldn't reach the aircraft in time
Whoever shot down Flight 93, and the senior officers who helped cover it up
Everyone who researched the passengers, then all the actors who used that research to make fake mobile calls to their relatives, and either the phone company or the FBI for covering up the phone records
Everyone involved in killing hundreds of passengers, assuming they didn't die in the crashes and were killed later
Everyone involved in transporting their bodies to the various scenes if they did, or faking the DNA evidence if they didn't
The people who researched the WTC to find out the best place to place explosives
The people who planted the explosives through the WTC towers and WTC7
Whoever detonated the WTC explosives at various different times of the day
Enough of the New York Fire and Police Departments to shut up everyone else and make sure they didn't try to investigate why all their friends and colleagues died
Everyone who prepared the remote control plane that really flew into the Pentagon, and whoever remote-controlled it, and the Washington Air Traffic Controllers who aren't allowed to talk about the extra radar blip they saw over the Pentagon (if Flight 77 really flew over it)
The Sheraton hotel staff who reportedly saw the video of the plane as it flew past to the Pentagon, but have never said that it wasn't the "official" flight
The people who ensured the Pentagon missile defence systems were disabled to the plane could hit
The people who planted the fake Pentagon evidence, from body parts to black boxes, and those who prepared it
The people who faked additional evidence around the Pentagon, bringing down lampposts etc in an effort to make it look like a large winged plane carried out the attack
Rudolph Giuliani for having advance knowledge that the WTC was going to collapse, and for helping to ensure that the steel was disposed of quickly
Enough people at American and United Airlines to keep quiet about the absence of the hijackers names from the passenger manifests
Enough people at CNN not to question the absence of the hijackers names from the flight manifests, if you believe that's what their victims lists really are
Enough people at FEMA and NIST to ensure any reports and analyses produced were whitewashes
Enough senior officials at the many WTC insurance companies to ensure the doubts were ignored and claims were paid
Everyone involved in producing the fake bin Laden "confession" video(s)
Khalid Al-Sheikh Mohammed and Ramzi Bin Al-Sheeba for discussing how they planned 9/11 on audio tape even though this didn’t happen, and perhaps al Jazeera reporter Yosri Fouda for getting the interview (if we assume he knows it isn't true)
All the other Al Qaeda members who've either implicitly or explicitly accepted responsibility for 9/11, even when they know it was carried out by someone else
The staff of the 9/11 Commission for deliberately obscuring the truth

"Only a handful of architects and engineers question the NIST Report, but they have never come up with an alternative. Although at first blush it may seem impressive that these people don't believe the NIST Report, remember that there are 123,000 members of ASCE(American Society of Civil Engineers) who do not question the NIST Report. There are also 80,000 members of AIA(American Institute of Architects) who do not question the NIST Report.

Although their field of expertise is not related to the construction of buildings - they don't seem to have a problem with that over at AE911truth - there are also 120,000 members of ASME(American Society of Mechanical Engineers) who do not question the NIST report. There are also 370,000 members of IEEE(Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers) who do not question the NIST report. There are also 40,000 members of AIChE(American Institute of Chemical Engineers) who do not question the NIST Report. There are also 35,000 members of AIAA (American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics) who do not question the NIST report. So who would you rather believe?

Bush says: "Let us not

You can't say anything that isn't complicated, can you? You know, the truth is almost always simple and straightfoward, and you reveal your own hyprocrisy when you ignore/avoid simple straigtforward issues like "why won't they show us the video" and go off on your disinfo laden rants. You realize that noone is listening to you don't you? You are losing.... badly.

Bush says: "Let us not tolerate conspiracy theories...."

Ok, very easy to fix......SHOW US THE DAMN VIDEO~

"Anyone who can't see that it was a Boeing 757 that hit the Pentagon is a moron...."

Ok, very easy to prove.....SHOW US THE DAMN VIDEO~

"9/11 truthers are wrong and should shut up..."

Ok, very easy to prove and get what you want....SHOW US THE DAMN VIDEO~

Doc Holladay
Nashville, TN
http://www.myspace.com/do...

whoreatthegate, what

whoreatthegate,
what government agency do you work for?

"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

Sierra

Which Psychiatric Hospital did you escape from?

the one just down the street

the one just down the street from you! I can see you sitting at your computer!

"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

Sierra

Just curious. I promise I will not tell them your a regular at DP. I need you here. Any time I need a good laugh, I just look for your posts. You never let me down.

I have some questions

Why do truthers ask questions that they already know the answers too? If someone answers your questions, you just say it is government disinformation. Truthers never refute or debunk this so called government disinformation. Your "evidence" has been debunked for a long time now. Why don't you debunk the debunkers? You just dismiss counter evidence or counter arguments without a rebuttal, except of course, ad hominem attacks. I would think if you want to spread your "truth" to people that you would spend some time debunking the "government disinformation", so that people would believe that your "truth" is correct. As long as you do not address the "debunkers" counter evidence or arguments, you will not reach "critical mass", as you call it.

Which pics are you talking about, infospill? When making statements about hole at the pentagon, you should provide sources or references to what you are talking about. Are you talking about these pictures?
http://911research.wtc7.n...

Here is a video concerning the pentagon attack:
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
I know you will not watch it and dismiss it as "government disinformation", but I thought I might post it anyways, in case anyone who isn't scared to see counter evidence to their beliefs, wanted to see it.

Here's 4 more on the pentagon.
http://www.debunk911myths...
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
http://www.youtube.com/wa...

Concerning your statement about no bodies or parts being found in shanksville, watch this video.
http://www.youtube.com/wa...

Here's one more concerning flight 93:
http://www.youtube.com/wa...

Please explain this video truthers. I still haven't heard an explanation. You always avoid this one.
http://www.youtube.com/wa...

Here are pictures of human remains from the pentagon attack. ***Warning very graphic.
http://911research.wtc7.n...
There photos are taken from this site below. Click the link if you want to see more photos concerning the pentagon attack.
http://911research.wtc7.n...

thank you...I watched all the videos

They were very informative and also make some very good points.
I have also seen other videos from the 9/11 truth movement that ALSO make some very good points and raise questions.

I really believe that there needs to be a OPEN comprehensive investigation that answers all these questions....b/c both sides make some very good points and raise very good arguments.

Dialogue is healthy. Truth is freedom.

VERY good reply, h4w!

Although I am convinced that the "official" theory is BS, I think we all can agree that

"...there needs to be a(sic) OPEN comprehensive investigation that answers all these questions..."

Dan

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(Better) to be confused in the search for truth than fully confident and sound asleep in a dream of lies.
-Michael Nystrom

Bush says: "Let us not

Bush says: "Let us not tolerate conspiracy theories...."

Ok, very easy to fix......SHOW US THE DAMN VIDEO~

"Anyone who can't see that it was a Boeing 757 that hit the Pentagon is a moron...."

Ok, very easy to prove.....SHOW US THE DAMN VIDEO~

"9/11 truthers are wrong and should shut up..."

Ok, very easy to prove and get what you want....SHOW US THE DAMN VIDEO~

Doc Holladay
Nashville, TN
http://www.myspace.com/do...

LOST

They are on that Island like in the series lost. Where it can't be seen on radar and can move from one location to another.

"I don't want to be in a battle . . . but
waiting on the edge of one I can't escape
is even worse"

Bush says: "Let us not

Bush says: "Let us not tolerate conspiracy theories...."

Ok, very easy to fix......SHOW US THE DAMN VIDEO~

"Anyone who can't see that it was a Boeing 757 that hit the Pentagon is a moron...."

Ok, very easy to prove.....SHOW US THE DAMN VIDEO~

"9/11 truthers are wrong and should shut up..."

Ok, very easy to prove and get what you want....SHOW US THE DAMN VIDEO~

If anyone wants to add any more to this list, feel free...

Doc Holladay
Nashville, TN
http://www.myspace.com/do...

A Lot Of Truth Hidden In Those Words

"Let us not tolerate conspiracy theories...."

Reverse truth, if you will.

The Pentagon hoax is much

The Pentagon hoax is much harder to disprove than the WTC-7 hoax.

The military can claim anything it wants about the wreckage and the crime scene, and the public will accept it.

By contrast, with WTC-7 you have a 47-story skyscraper on video that displays explosive squibs in a pattern as it shudders and falls into its footprint...from an office supply fire on the Twelth Floor.

SUPPORT OUR FOUNDERS' AMERICA
Support the Constitution of the United States

Wha?

--"By contrast, with WTC-7 you have a 47-story skyscraper on video that displays explosive squibs in a pattern as it shudders and falls into its footprint...from an office supply fire on the Twelth Floor."

Um, no. No you don't have evidence of explosive squibs. What you do have is a building with a 20-floor high hole near the base it that burned all afternoon and finally fell at 5:30 as all the firemen on scene knew it would. The hole, by the way, was caused by debris hitting it from one of the tower collapses.

You need to get this "how did three buildings fall if there were only two airplanes" BS out of your head.

50 min. after the world knows we are under attack

that is right folks, almost an hour!

The 1st plane hit the tower, we were all(?) surprised. The 2nd plane hits the 2nd tower; this is no coincidence, pilot error, whatever..... we are under attack, Period... and we all knew it.

SO, we are to believe that we, the USA, The Military Superpower of the World, with its center command, the Pentagon, with nearly an hour of foreknowledge that we are in fact under attack, in close proximity to the capital/ White house/ ETC, has no (1) plane detection ability (2) anti-aircraft weaponry (3)ability to scramble fighter jets or (4) cameras to show that infact a passenger jet flew threw every wall (Drywall I assume) of a side of the Pentagon and then magically disintegrated .

I am a Monkee, ewwwwwwwwwwww I, I'm a Believer!

I'd like to know too.

This is a messy little detail. I don't really have any doubt that our lovely government is up to it's neck in this 9-11 operation, but where are the people? Real people could have perished in the 2 twin tower crashes, even if the planes had been modified by the military to fly by electronic signal, and the Pennsylvania crash could have been just as real, even though the plane could have been shot down or programmed to nosedive. But the Pentagon is another story. That was no commercial airliner. So, the people that were supposed to be on that flight are obviously "missisng". But, now, we're only talking about the passenger manifest of 1 plane having to dissappear. That's probably not too hard of a feat for our highly capable military planners. They could have boarded a "dummy" plane that was set up for them, and diverted to a very lonely spot on a military base in Greenland.......who knows. These people have a lot of tools at their disposal.

Out of curiosity,

I wonder if anyone has ever matched passenger lists with death certificates...or obits?

Hey!!! Are you thinking too much again?

Out all night with your thinking friends on a thinking bender, now with a thinking hangover the next day? Thinking-abuse can get people hurt.

That would be WAY TOO MUCH like asking to compare the properly handled forensic evidence against Boeing manufacture's logbooks of installed and time-changed parts of the crashed airframes.

"No need to"... 'because we already know what happened, and second because it could undermine National Security if the Scare-r-ists-s got wind of our Intelligence Procedures.' caugh!

Stop your irresponsible thinking before you kill someone thinking and driving. You might consider attending a Thinkers Anonymous Meeting. There's one in your town this very evening.

brilliant..

can I use this?

Thanks For The List

yeah

post the pic. i'll judge.

post the pic.

i'll judge.

Just noticed something I think may be important....

Watching the German video of the plane crashing into the wall and the 'plane' crashing into the pentagon, I realized something....

The plane crashing into the wall doesn't explode. It disintegrated.

The 'plane' that crashed into the pentagon caused a huge fireball, more like an explosive device going off.

I'm no expert (although I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night) but this would seem to be something investigators would have picked up on.

I'll have to see more video of planes crashing before I can say for sure but I can't chalk it all up to fuel.

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

The last eight years

have been the end of america.

I just hope we can recover.

Bush and Cheney should be in jail.

They are the true terrorists.

damn right...

and no matter how much people hate this phrase, they need to do a lil more research ..... 911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB !

peace - love - freedom

Plane crashing into wall.

I just want to know this...

How did they manage to get a crashed airliner engine in the center of the pentagon!

What "engine in the center of the Pentagon!"?

So then produce the (oops too late, even if the Gubmentus where to roll this out tomorrow morning) serially identifiable engine parts handled in the standard practice method of forensic chain-of-custody evidence, and compare against the manufacture's log book for that airframe of installed and time-changed parts.

Yes, that might seem like a mouth-full, but it's honest. A tried and true method practiced tens of thousands of times by the NTSB for decades. It's rather satisfying to see such confirmation performed in the public eye, so that there are no such sticky questions later, such as we are sandbagged with today.

Oh that's right, "just get over it, the tragedy was so large and long ago, we have no need to conduct an investigation into something like this when we knew exactly what happened the very same day." urp.

Even though I DO NOT KNOW exactly what happened at the Pentagon, Shanksville and NYC... the trouble is, neither do you (the euphemistic You, LTBjorgaard). The bigger difference is that I did not whoop and holler to "kill the freedom haters" based on my lack of information. The Bush Administration got that war of aggression underway... and BO doesn't seem to care all that much either.

We're in deep kimchi today, precisely because We DID NOT pursue the hard FACTS of that "day that changed everything bringing us the Post 9/11 Era"... set off to war as Preemptive Anticipatory Self-Defense (a glaring oxymoron), bankrupted ourselves flat-out by refusing to confess (to ourselves at least) our fiat currency and globally fraudulent banking "system"... and now spin ourselves silly for a cult of personality puking forth "let's all Hope for Change My Friends, (but only change that's skin-deep).

And some people still wonder why others run around looking "crazy-obsessive" yammering endlessly about 9/11?!?!

Devious criminal genius conceals best mixed well within a field of genuine idiots. I think that's amazing. Makes me almost sick to my stomach, but still, amazing.

Does there actually need to be passengers?

If I told you a bus just went off a cliff and thirty people perished, then gave you a list of thirty names how would you know if it was genuine or not?

Slight-of-hand. We see all they want us to see and they cloud over the rest.

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

Barbara Olson - Ted's wife

She was on "the plane that hit the pentagon" - wonder where she is?

That is what

I was just thinking from reading these posts. Someone needs to pull together the list of "relatives" from the passengers and see what that produces. Seven of the 19 hijackers are alive according to reports. I wish someone would put them in front of a camera and get their stories on tape. And also talk to the relatives of the others. I know the relatives of hijackers would say, "No, my son did not do what he is accused of." This time, I would be inclined to listen and not debunk that.

And yet---

No plane wreckage, no fuel, no people, no credible damage to the building and yet the majority of the population ask no questions. It has gotton to the point no one even has to go to the trouble of making anything look realistic to the story being told when such obvious impossibilites are accepted as truth.

Probably the same place all these dead Al-Quaida guys

that keep coming back from the dead to make movies. That place is the imagination of the government. How many folks had a relative on one of those flights? I would like to see research into those "passengers", who were they before they were on the plane, were they anyone? Did they actually exist?

Thank you Dr. Paul for making me act on what I already knew was right.