Where is a good place to live outside of the US?

Self reliance is KING!!! (I'm not sure where to go, but, I'm willing and able) Maybe we should start a group.
(Not Jim Jones type, though...)

In truth,
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"If you want total security, go to prison. There you're fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking... is freedom."

so I answer with the ideal location and offer assistance...but no one ever moves !!! Is this just more internet dribble...or are folks finally coming to understand that time is running out ?

Discover Costa Rica

Think about it, man. Job market is decent, no state income tax, you're personal info isn't put in a Real ID database, the Patriot Act isn't recognized up there.

--Cliff, Sioux City, Iowa
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My reasoning sounds pretty reasonable to me.
Secret key to happiness: Stay happy. Shhh!

I gave it a little rethink. The problems we face today are global in scale. The problem is everyones problem. Canada shares a great many of the global problems but particularly the geographic one. Many Canadians are privy to the NWO. Many will not do down without a fight. Strength in numbers... They are our brothers and sisters in this. If the SHTF then amass at the border. That is one possibility.

Under the threat of state sponsored bio-terror... Seclusion might be preferred.

"Moreover, as America becomes an increasingly multicultural society, it may find it more difficult to fashion a consensus on foreign policy issues, except in the circumstances of a truly massive and widely perceived direct external threat."

if you're looking for someplace quiet and out-of-the-way.

and that is from mileage, not knowledge... ;-)

Belize, on the Guatemala border

Brazil

Costa Rica (but a bit yuppy for my tastes)

Mongolia

Of course, I look at remote places for a self-reliant lifestyle...not everyones' cup of tea...but depending what yours is...

REMOTE, but not isolated, like an island. the key is resource self reliance.

At least GW and Laura think so. They purchased 98,500 acres there, right next to the ol' reverend moons' property. Come on fellow Paulites, wouldn't you just love living next to the man!

You go through an immigration process to emigrate anywhere.

for those of you dreaming of Central America - ever hear of MS 13?
-spawned in nicaragua - tentacles throughout Central America
and when the US is weakened, gringos will be prime targets.

Jimmy Buffett and "Cowboy in the jungle" is not the current reality.

at least you speak the language and are not vulnerable to shakedowns here

stand your ground on your home turf.

http://www.dailypaul.com/...

I still live here if you have any questions. If you can buy a house and car in cash, make about 2 grand a month preferably on the internet. YOUR SET.

I am moving to Wales. (but only for a year or two). I'm coming back wealthier and am going to help out with rebuilding the country.

I own an adult chat room...(I will not put the link up because Im sure a few would be offended)
The regulars in my room are from the USA-Canada-Rep. of Ireland-Australia-the UK...but I have met many from around the world who drop by time to time.
Those I get a chance to speak to in detail...they are all facing the same problems we are in one degree or another. Everyone agrees the governments of the world have gone way to far...most throw up their hands and just dont care...Its a shame.
I do direct them to the DP...and those who read it love it...I hope they pass it on...

Freedom is another way to God...A corrupt government is a straight way to hell.

The Island of Hawai'i: it's like a whole 'nother planet.

Also, Hawaiian Nationalists are trying to leave the US, and take their land with them. They could be benign fellow travellers, although many of them (judging from their rhetoric) are racists and marxists.

As always, the enemy of my enemy is often a strategically useful ally.

The Freedom Formula: Au + Ag + Cu + Pb

is that people from all countries can throw their "issues" in a bowl, and when they understand the way things are in other countries, they will QUICKLY take their own issues back.

Our issues or problems follow us everywhere - they just take on different names and places.

The U.S. is STILL the best place to live and letting your life pass you by because you believe the NWO is coming tomorrow, is a BIG waste of time.

The fact they've been at it for a hundred plus years is enough reason to believe they may never get it accomplished!

They simply cannot figure how people will act, how human nature will impact it, how many people will come to their senses and take a stand, some will gain a conscience, and...

So, live YOUR best life today, be prepared, do whatever it takes to improve our circumstances. If there are enough good people here, we can make a difference.

Most of us know it is addressed in the Bible and ultimately, it's in HIS hands and in HIS time.

I REFUSE to be scared, live in fear or scarcity, or believe it is out of our control.

As bad as things are, compared to the last Great Depression, it i nothing! 40% unemployment then - 4200 banks closed then - were in the depression for 5 years before people even knew it!

We are resilent people and can start again and again, if we are educated and prepared. Those who have not earned their own wealth will jump from windows because they will not know how to recover. Those who worked and earned their own way will understand and start again.

It's about family, health, love, faith, and [insert your thought here].
When everyone is in the same predicament, we won't need money. We will trade services, commonaties, talent, etc. etc. Money was only invented by man because some were greedy and felt their service was worth more than another's.

Network with friends, family, neighbors, etc. You will be fine. Forget all the scare tactics used on this thread, we can control things here and now.

What we believe, we draw into our lives. Napoleon Hill, in "Think and Grow Rich" said: "What the mind can conceive, and believe, it can achieve". Ford did it - Edison did it, and millions of others!

The title is a bit deceptive, because in this case, Rich equates to wealth which equates to happiness and prosperity. Money, in and of itself, will NOT make you happy, nor what it can buy. You must achieve these things on your own, and in your own mind.

Hi and greetings from Vancouver in Canada!

Although I am a Norwegian citizen, I am right now in Vancouver in Canada talking to some clients and business partners. I wanted to add my comment to this thread.

Five years ago I visited Panama for the first time in my life. And I have to say, I just fell in love with the place. Since then I have been there FIVE more times, and when I am done here, I am going back there for the sixth time. This time I will be there until January of 2009.

During this time I will find a place to live and prepare to move there for good. This country is THE country for the future. South America has a GREAT future in todays world of severe financial problems, and Panama is THE business and financial center for all of South America. In fact, I have written a book about Panama and the many opportunities this country offers. It was written in Norwegian, but I am now in the process of translating it to English. You will be able to get a FREE copy of the e-book version by visiting this site:

http://www.panama4living....

As soon as I am done translating it, it will be sent to you! Hope to see you in Panama soon! The country offers so many advantages, including the possibility to live there and run your global business without paying any taxes at all!! THAT is one good criteria for real FREEDOM!

to escape the tentacles of the Zionist forces (I do not mean the Jews as a people!) is an illusion, in my humble opinion.

I moved to Australia well over 2 decades ago. Although I believe we appear to live pretty much without obvious intrusions and visible police state like changes, to those who are observant will realise that it is no different here. The threats are there, liberties are taken away in very very tiny portions and people become used to it, even see the positives of it and accept it. Then another liberty is taken away, same slow process but in the end the result is the same: we are robbed of our liberties.
The media is controlled to the hilt, economy is down the drain following the trend world wide,health-care is dis-ease care with trials done on innocent people by the Big Pharma (in the nineties mass trials of psychotropic drugs on country people) Ref: Selling sickness: the pharmaceutical industry and disease mongering by Ray Monihan. Internet surveillance, for as far as it isn't already working, is going to be extended. Reasons given to have that put in place are to keep the children safe from porno, or euthanasia suggestions.

Fuel is under control, electricity is under control, being indoctrinated about global warming/climate change. We have 'perfect storms', the latest only last week in the Brisbane area. Of course this is not labelled as such but again, those who are observant will connect the dots. Agriculture is under control, not in the least due to wide spread droughts. We are now being programmed that using the word 'drought' is not desirable because it ' upsets the farmers' Never mind that the farmers are upset anyway, we are now suggested to use: dry weather.
I live in a drought region and it is hard breaking to see what is happening. The messing around with the weather happens here the same as in other areas on this planet.

I love it in Australia and would be hard pressed to move back home (which is The Netherlands where we lived with the threat of the cold war in the back yard so to speak for many years). Please don't be blinded by the superficial appeal of a country as portrayed in commercials, movies or other propaganda like materials.
If you are serious about wanting to escape the political system you have to analyse the political system of your chosen country, follow the money trails and you might come to the conclusion that leaving your beloved country for the new chosen country is not going to bring the peace and quiet to live your own life as you imagine. The plans of the Zionists are well in place, worldwide, and they are going forward full blast.

Fight the system with all it will cost!!.

i'm still a canadian citizen and i could go back anytime. but in my heart i am an american so i will make my stand here . if this country goes to hell you can bet your ass the entire world will follow ,there will be no where to run so its here i make my stand. fear is what will kill this country if we let it.

Costa Rica, Belize, Chile, Kisyurassgodbyeastan.
crazyrustyforpresident

Both these countries are neutral. My grandparents are from Ireland, so I could become a citizen pretty easily.

we've already started shopping, but the earliest we could move to a ranch is about 4 years from now... we could make the move back to her family in a pinch. I do like the boat idea, very compelling. If you are at sea doesn't the world recognize admiralty law as the system at sea? But doesn't a ship need to be 'registered' to a nation?

My wife and I are in the same situation - becoming empty-nesters. I have been suggesting we consider moving but she won't consider leaving family and friends by seeking safe harbor in another country. When I suggest how bad things are and how much worse they are going to get, she responds that that's all the more reason to stay close to our people. Maybe she's right, I dunno, but regardless, it's an argument I can't win.

But to your question - I suggest you first research two things in your quest. First, how do you get your money out of the country while avoiding heavy taxes and to ultimately disconnect from US monetary and tax policies.

Some would suggest that you establish a foreign banking account in what are commonly referred to as "pirate coves." Pirate coves are countries that provide banking privacy, some do not comply with all international standards. For example, the Jersey Islands, several islands in the Caribbean, Lichtenstein - and many more. This quickly becomes illegal if you fund a secret, unreported bank account so I would advise against doing that.

As long as you are a U.S. citizen, you have a relationship with the IRS, whether you like it or not. And if you invest or do business offshore, the IRS needs to know about it. If you truly want to decouple from US monetary and tax policies/collections you need to become a citizen of a country with more favorable monetary policies and financial privacy and less taxes.

The second thing I would suggest you research is establishing citizenship in a foreign country. And, you don't have to be a citizen of the country in which you chose to inhabit. For example, you may qualify for instant citizenship in St. Kitt if you purchase real estate valued at $250,000 or more. And, you are free to rent or lease your property - you don't have to live there.

That said, Panama is really nice, lot's of Americans cheap living. Costa Rico costs more to live in but very nice. Dubai is becoming very popular as a safe haven for the rich - expensive to live there.

On a 40' super-yacht packed with food, big guns, and other supplies.

Good luck.

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"I think, therefore I am pissed-off!"

A friend of mine asked me an interesting question, what if you renounce your citizenship and head out to international waters in a big sailboat or something and decide to live in international waters for the rest of your life? Who's jurisdiction would you be under? What country would you answer to if you remained in international waters, if any? If you comitted some sort of crime out there(for instance, lets say you decided to have two wives out there, which is considered illegal in most other countries), who would you answer to? Would you be considered an illegal alien in every country on the face of the earth and be relegated to roaming the seas for the rest of your life? Some interesting questions, and I could not answer them all.