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President does not have to be natural born citizen ?

Any ideas about this?

Note the clause in bold print introduced in April 2008 when McCain was declared a natural born citizen.

Note who was involved in this legislation.

Mrs. MCCASKILL (for herself, Mr. LEAHY, Mr. OBAMA, Mr. COBURN, Mrs. CLINTON, and Mr. WEBB) submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary
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April 24, 2008
Reported by Mr. LEAHY, without amendment
RESOLUTION
Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen.

Whereas the Constitution of the United States requires that, to be eligible for the Office of the President, a person must be a `natural born Citizen' of the United States;

Whereas the term `natural born Citizen', as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is not defined in the Constitution of the United States;

Whereas there is no evidence of the intention of the Framers or any Congress to limit the constitutional rights of children born to Americans serving in the military nor to prevent those children from serving as their country's President;

Whereas such limitations would be inconsistent with the purpose and intent of the `natural born Citizen' clause of the Constitution of the United States, as evidenced by the First Congress's own statute defining the term `natural born Citizen';

Whereas the well-being of all citizens of the United States is preserved and enhanced by the men and women who are assigned to serve our country outside of our national borders;

Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President; and

Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved,That John Sidney McCain, III, is a `natural born Citizen' under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.

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Obama's mother was not in

Obama's mother was not in the military.

Obama's mother did not meet the age requirement for him to be a natural born citizen due to the circumstances of his birth.

Obama later immigrated to Indonesia with his family where they chose loyalty to Indonesia over the United States when they became Indonesian citizens (no dual-citizenship there).

The other presidents were born in territories of the US which had become states. I do not believe it's likely for either Kenya or Indonesia to become a US State anytime soon....

This resolution appears to be for

McCain, but was it really for Obama to use when his eligibility was questioned?

Does that clause protect him and make him eligible although not natural born?

Can it be used in this manner?

Anyone know?

Now

it's a question.

That is why my title is a question ?

Agree with the clause you mention, but then they throw this second clause in that seems very ambiguous and could be used to allow a non-natural born citizen to be president.

Whereas the Constitution of the United States requires that, to be eligible for the Office of the President, a person must be a `natural born Citizen' of the United States;

Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President;

Something not right here... Did Mr. Obama have the above clause inserted to protect himself? He was on the list of those who submitted the resolution.

This Resolution, S. Res 511 was passed by unanimous consent ....

without a roll call vote. It did not go to the House of Representatives, and did not amend the Constitution, and was never challenged by or to the SCOTUS. Both of McCain's parents were American citizens, and he was born in an American Territory at that time. The Constitution is very clear about dual-nationals. The only dual-nationals who were allowed to be President were the original Founders and only their generation. This is the so-called "Grandfather Clause." Obama was born a dual-national and that fact should disqualify him from being the next president.

Supreme Court decisions aren't always Constitutional.

Roe v Wade and drug laws are Constitutional? Undeclared wars? The We The People Foundation (www.givemeliberty.org) has several ongoing federal cases that are Constitution and Bill of Rights significant. Of course, the government's ability to stonewall ad infinitum is very tiring and one could easily devote a lifetime to the cause, as a result. Much of what the folks of the We The People Foundation are met with today began in the first Clinton administration.

A Resolution is not a law

It is nothing more than if you and I were having a conversation and you and a few of your friends decided to write down what was said. It has zero effect on anything. My assertion that someone born where he is a citizen of that country is not a natural born citizen has as much legal effect as the Senate resolution; zero.

What counts is what the Supreme Court says "natural born citizen" means, and we are soon going to find out December 5 when they have a conference on the Donofrio lawsuit involving Obama being born with British citizenship.

Interesting if you look at that case, Donofrio sued in District Court and lost, but appealed to Souter (the justice he was required to go to). Souter denied his appeal, so he went to Thomas who referred the appeal to Conference.

If you look at how the court split on the recent Heller 2nd amendment case, it was 5/4. There are four justices who take the Constitution seriously, Thomas being one of them. It takes four justices at Conference to accept an appeal for review. Souter and Ginsberg don't care what the Constitution says and vote what they want. The others are somewhere inbetween.

It seems fairly clear to me that Obama is not a natural born citizen because his father was British and Obama automatically became a British citizen at birth which taints is loyalties, which taint is exactly what the Framers wanted to prevent by making a person born with foreign citizenship not qualified. This is what natural born is all about. Natural was used in the same sense at a natural born child as opposed to an adopted child; natural meaning of the same blood.

The Constitution was adopted in 1788 and the government before that was the Articles of Confederation in 1774. Before that there were only Colonies and just about everyone was a British Citizen as a result. This is why there was an exception in the Constitution to allow all these British citizens born in the Colonies qualify if they were citizens at the time of the adoption.

Obama should be out, unless the Supreme Court ignores the Constitution.

We may be demanding SCOTUS resignations, too.

If they ignore the Constitution, BO's place of birth continues to be unresolved, and we do nothing, then we the people are just as negligent and the entire Constitutional Republic is a farce.

This is why this could still be an issue ....

The supreme court has been very clear about what "natural born" means. While it has stated many times that Congress can legislate naturalization, the "natural born" issue will be defined and defended full heartedly by the Supreme Court.

We shall see ...

Personally, I would prefer the issue is resolved without violence, so I will assume you know what I am hoping for.

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Whereas...

Whereas the terms "Mrs. MCCASKILL (for herself, Mr. LEAHY, Mr. OBAMA, Mr. COBURN, Mrs. CLINTON, and Mr. WEBB) and the Committee on the Judiciary, are not defined in the Constitution of the United States!

The "resolution" above is BS and another example of how

lawyers and persons elected to protect and defend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are dismantling the foundation for our Republic. Could it be that the above is actually documentation of TREASON?

The persons who crafted this nonsense for a resolution must truly believe that we are so ignorant as to actually agree to its acceptability They initially write that the Constitution does not define "natural born citizen" and then, subsequently, contradict themselves with "limitations would be inconsistent with the purpose and intent of the 'natural born Citizen' clause of the Constitution of the United States". The "Whereas" body of the resolutiion in its totality is laughable. The U.S. had no foreign military bases when the Constitution was crafted and previous Presidential candidates who were born outside the U.S. were also Constitutionally inelligible.

Effectively, this resolution illegally amends the Constitution, therefore, it is legally deemed unenforceable. People of the USA, you know this. The only way to change the Constitution requires an amendment ratified by 75% of the SOVEREIGN STATES. These Senators, and all who signed onto this resolution, have implemented a coup d' etat. They need to resign or be impeached, one way or another, and all criminal acts against the Constitutional Republic of the USA need to be harshly enforced.

Come on BO. Show us the proof. Which physician, which hospital, what name. We damand to know all your history. Kenya, Indonesia, Pakistan, passports, all school enrollment records...everything.

"Whereas there is no

"Whereas there is no evidence of the intention of the Framers or any Congress to limit the constitutional rights of children born to Americans serving in the military nor to prevent those children from serving as their country's President;"

There's no evidence of the intention of the Framers to limit the constitutional right of children born to Americans serving in the military on foreign land, this is true.

There is however evidence that the Framers never intended us to establish foreign bases all over the world. That John McCain's parents were stationed in Panama is itself a violation of the Framers intent.
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The title of your topic is incorrect

as per your post:

"Whereas the Constitution of the United States requires that, to be eligible for the Office of the President, a person must be a `natural born Citizen' of the United States;"

The resolution states that a person MUST be ' a natural born citizen ',

and resolves that John McCain is, in fact, ' a natural born citizen '.

1984 NEWSPEAK

"Whereas the term `natural born Citizen', as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is not defined in the Constitution of the United States"

Apr 30, 2008: This bill passed in the Senate by Unanimous Consent. A record of each representative's position was not kept. Without criticizing Congress, I would point out that the concept of defining words to produce a result is not new.

""When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less." "The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things." "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all.""

~ Lewis Carroll (1832-1898)
author of "Adventures of Alice in Wonderland"
from Through the Looking Glass.

My Understanding Has Always Been

That: "natural born" means, "being born on the soil, on the ground within the United States "only", not on an island other than Hawaii", not by American citizens on an island other than Hawaii. And "both" parents "must" be American Citizens!

Over simplistic now-a-days obviously. But note: the Founders lived in much simpler times, Hawaii didn't exist of course and they clearly didn't want another tyrant coming here to inflict loyalties from another Country.

I knew someone who's parents were citizens but he was born in Holland. He didn't know that he wasn't an American Citizen until he joined an armed force and they enlightened him. Thats what he told me, take it for what it's worth, I have absolutely no more info. Correction: he was my age to the year, so he would have joined in 1973.

Does this clause

pave the way for Mr. Obama and re-define who may qualify to be president of the U.S.A. ? Can this clause be used in some way?

Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President

Something does not seem right here...

Those were my thoughts

and just aimed the resolution at McCain but will use for Obama - there is always an underlying reason for these things.

Since when have we held any of the accountable to the law? It's a slippery sloap and Obams and his band of theves will add a little more grease.