
A citizen's right to resist UNLAWFUL arrest. (Court Rulings)
Submitted by Citizen Joe on Sat, 11/22/2008 - 16:36
On August 15th, 2008 Citizen Joe says:
As citizens of the United States of America, we must understand that we are the rulers of our own lives and each of us holds sovereign rights over our bodies and liberties.
We must also understand that when police officers or government officials break the law they no longer hold any authority what so ever. In the instant they act outside the law and under color of authority or jurisdiction we have a right and duty to resist.
Below are some very interesting court decisions and legal precedents in which honorable judges and juries have found the right to resist with mortal force is the right of all free citizens.
All law enforcement and government officials should be made of aware of these facts. Maybe that will raise some eyebrows instead of billy clubs and ltasers.
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"Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529. The Court stated: “Where the officer is killed in the course of the disorder which naturally accompanies an attempted arrest that is resisted, the law looks with very different eyes upon the transaction, when the officer had the right to make the arrest, from what it does if the officer had no right. What may be murder in the first case might be nothing more than manslaughter in the other, or the facts might show that no offense had been committed.”
“An arrest made with a defective warrant, or one issued without affidavit, or one that fails to allege a crime is within jurisdiction, and one who is being arrested, may resist arrest and break away. lf the arresting officer is killed by one who is so resisting, the killing will be no more than an involuntary manslaughter.” Housh v. People, 75 111. 491; reaffirmed and quoted in State v. Leach, 7 Conn. 452; State v. Gleason, 32 Kan. 245; Ballard v. State, 43 Ohio 349; State v Rousseau, 241 P. 2d 447; State v. Spaulding, 34 Minn. 3621.
“When a person, being without fault, is in a place where he has a right to be, is violently assaulted, he may, without retreating, repel by force, and if, in the reasonable exercise of his right of self defense, his assailant is killed, he is justified.” Runyan v. State, 57 Ind. 80; Miller v. State, 74 Ind. 1.
“These principles apply as well to an officer attempting to make an arrest, who abuses his authority and transcends the bounds thereof by the use of unnecessary force and violence, as they do to a private individual who unlawfully uses such force and violence.” Jones v. State, 26 Tex. App. I; Beaverts v. State, 4 Tex. App. 1 75; Skidmore v. State, 43 Tex. 93, 903.
“An illegal arrest is an assault and battery. The person so attempted to be restrained of his liberty has the same right to use force in defending himself as he would in repelling any other assault and battery.” (State v. Robinson, 145 ME. 77, 72 ATL. 260).
“Each person has the right to resist an unlawful arrest. In such a case, the person attempting the arrest stands in the position of a wrongdoer and may be resisted by the use of force, as in self- defense.” (State v. Mobley, 240 N.C. 476, 83 S.E. 2d 100).
“One may come to the aid of another being unlawfully arrested, just as he may where one is being assaulted, molested, raped or kidnapped. Thus it is not an offense to liberate one from the unlawful custody of an officer, even though he may have submitted to such custody, without resistance.” (Adams v. State, 121 Ga. 16, 48 S.E. 910).
“Story affirmed the right of self-defense by persons held illegally. In his own writings, he had admitted that ‘a situation could arise in which the checks-and-balances principle ceased to work and the various branches of government concurred in a gross usurpation.’ There would be no usual remedy by changing the law or passing an amendment to the Constitution, should the oppressed party be a minority. Story concluded, ‘If there be any remedy at all ... it is a remedy never provided for by human institutions.’ That was the ‘ultimate right of all human beings in extreme cases to resist oppression, and to apply force against ruinous injustice.’” (From Mutiny on the Amistad by Howard Jones, Oxford University Press, 1987, an account of the reading of the decision in the case by Justice Joseph Story of the Supreme Court.
As for grounds for arrest: “The carrying of arms in a quiet, peaceable, and orderly manner, concealed on or about the person, is not a breach of the peace. Nor does such an act of itself, lead to a breach of the peace.” (Wharton’s Criminal and Civil Procedure, 12th Ed., Vol.2: Judy v. Lashley, 5 W. Va. 628, 41 S.E. 197)















im going to copy and paste
im going to copy and paste the cases you quoted in my database, Im in court a lot, the judges totally ignore laws, and the execeutive branch just goes along.
Bump- this is too important to fall off the page!
Libera me, let the truth break, what my fears make--Leslie Phillips
We do not need to get good laws to restrain bad people,
we need to get good people to restrain bad laws. --
--G.K. Chesterton
We are a nation of ignorant
We are a nation of ignorant and apathetic. The system we have has been passively accepted by the majority.
In the state of Idaho there are no licensed attorneys. State law says you must be licensed however there is no licensing entity in the state. If you pass the Idaho Bar (a private entity) examines then it is accepted as you being legitimately able to practice law in the state.
So all the courts in Idaho are illegitimate defacto courts and every conviction is null and void, even the judges are illegitimate. Folks have asked judges and attorney's if they are licensed by the state of Idaho and been jailed for it and railroaded with of course no answer given.
People don't want to know, don't want to hear, and don't care as long as they can have their idiot box or their favorite hobby and gas for the SUV...
We live in the matrix and most do not want to be unplugged and many will even defend it to the death. I hate to say it but our only hope seems to be the coming storms and if they cause enough pain to wake up enough people to unplug from the matrix.
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Very informative
I might just make some flyers with these quotes and post them around town. It's one thing if one stands up for his rights. It's an entirely different thing when many do so. In the meantime, practice your Alphabet in Reverse...
But, were these before
the Patriot Act III, and the Homegrown Terrorist HB1955 bill?
I don't know about the
I don't know about the Patriot Act III, but the Patriot Act was ruled unconstitutional either 5 or 6 times by Judges in Federal Courts so far...
I won't argue that
But these actual court decisions are empowering. I think they aid in breaking the fear cycle in the relationship between law abiding individuals and law enforcers prone to bullying. The more people who are aware of such precedents of jurisprudence, the less people likely everyone is to roll over, whether such behavior can be interpreted as unlawful in the wake of new legislation or not...
Those laws are void from the moment of inception.
They hold no weight and have no power under the Constitution. We must look at them as tyrannical and illegitimate powers that we all have a duty to resist.
THE FOURTEENTH AMENDMENT
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
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“Liberty without learning is always in peril... and learning without liberty is always in vain”
- John Fitzgerald Kennedy
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Joe- you missed the MOST IMPORTANT part
of section 1 of the 14th amendment.
Section 1 created a new citizen, the Federal citizen. Before the 14th amendment, the people were citizens of the State (Country) where they resided as there was NO Federal Country, the UNTIED STATES. It did not exist.
"Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside."
This usurped the citizens of the several states and literally stole them from their rightful countries and placed them into the Federal United States. The Federal United States (Corporate US) can now lawfully tax and harass you as you have voluntarily entered into a relationship with them by implied consent.
"If one does not dissent, then he is to be considered as assenting". "If one receives the benefit, he should also bear the disadvantage".
The remedy is to expatriate from the Federal United States (corporate US), and the Corporate States, and to declare your rightful citizenship in the lawful sovereign State Republic that you wish.
I am working on doing this.
Thank you for the reminder! Bumpers
Libera me, let the truth break, what my fears make--Leslie Phillips
We do not need to get good laws to restrain bad people,
we need to get good people to restrain bad laws. --
--G.K. Chesterton
Well..
you are talking about the patriot act right?
Wrong Constitution!
Read the constitution for the united States not of the UNITED STATES.
And its Citizen not citizen. Look it up in blacks law dictionary and you'll see what i'm talking about.
I reserve the right to govern myself.
I reserve the right to govern myself.
14th Amendment
He is grammatically correct in citing the lower case 'c' in the 14th Amendment. The 14th Amendment created a new class of citizen, the US citizen, which has no rights, only the privileges and immunities granted by government. Before the 14th Amendment there was no such thing.
Many believe this was done so that there would be a classification into which "freed" slaves could be put and still not grant them the same rights as Citizens of the States. This is illustrated by the fact that blacks were not given the privilege of voting until the 60's.
A Citizen of the united States, by contrast, is a citizen of the State in which he was born, and as such has the God given rights protected by the first ten "Amendments". This is the basis for the sovereign Citizen movement which has freed millions already.
Long live the republic!
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"Aggressive wars, income taxes, national IDs, domestic spying, torture regimes, secret prisons, Federal Reserve manipulation -- we don't have to take it any more." -- Ron Paul
Black's Law dictionary was
Black's Law dictionary was recently outed in a Reuters article as being a fake. Who knew......
http://practicesource.com/house-of-butter/blacks-law-diction...
Puppets come and puppets go but the world's stage is getting cluttered.
lmao
good satire.
exactly.
it's the old "kill the messenger" trick.
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Dicey at best. All is in the eye of the beholder.
A legal arrest turned violent looks the same as harassment turned violent. Leaping to someone's aid in cases like that will result in your own skull on the chopping block.
The reason it is 'case law' is that these are individual cases. Just because John Bad Elk got aff doesn't mean you can whack a cop and say "John Bad Elk did it.. so can I".
These rulings probably took years of trials and hearings. If you have nothing better to do with your time, be my guest.
I prefer not to be where the law is. I try to be polite and civil and not to give up any of my own rights.
Wrestling with cops is generally a bad idea. They tend to clump together.
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
Exactly right
This is one of the big misconceptions most don't take under consideration. There is a big difference between statute law and case law. Any time you go to a court before a jury, regardless of case law OR statute law, it's a crap shoot that can land either a Seven or Snake Eyes. The jury weighs the sides and looks at both statute and case law citations, then decides.
A statute may be completely fucked up and the jury says "nope, not today." Or, the situation might be questionable, and the jury says "well, it was a bad situation, but the law states this and the situation doesn't fit the guidelines."
It becomes an even bigger quagmire because all the states are different, with maybe the one exception of the criteria for the use of deadly force, which is pretty much universal. Barring that, it's a luck of the draw.
In the end I agree- the best way to win the fight is to not be there when it starts.
hmmm. not to impressed by
hmmm. not to impressed by the "this don't give you a free pass to whack cops!!!" posts....
perhaps take another stab at it.
classic strawman if'n I ever saw one.
Trying to understand the meaning of this post....
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
A juror has the greatest power in any court.
Most courts are kangaroo courts. Courts are simply running an extra-legal extortion ring and acting deceptively under color of jurisdiction and authority. What we are contending with in most situations are contractual payment on instruments we ignorantly sign. Police are enforcers and deliverors of these instruments and laws which, according to our Constitution, are mostly illigitmate.
We have, as a nation of ignorant citizens, accepted this as proper jurisprudence. We have accepted this fallacy as law & order. Thus, we walk ourselves to our own slaughter in these courts.
A judge's job is to make sure the proceeding are in accordance with the law. The law that must be applied in all cases is the supreme law of the country, the Constitution.
A juror has the task of not only finding guilt or innocence of the person on trial but a juror's duty is also to judge the merits of the law itself. The juror must also take into consideration the law being applied. A juror must find if a law is repugnant and withing Constitutional bounds. Our duty as citizens is to make sure the government is not acting outside to the scope of it's authority when prosecuting a fellow citizen.
We must protect each other. We are only as free as the next person next to us. We must be our brother's keeper.
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“Liberty without learning is always in peril... and learning without liberty is always in vain”
- John Fitzgerald Kennedy
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"The greatest mystery of all is truth." - Me, 2009
Agreed
But how often will someone be lucky enough to find 12 people who will uphold the Constitution over the judge's instructions to disregard it? Juries are often vetted to weed out any potential supporters of the Constitution. That is our biggest challenge.
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