The important and overlooked Ron Paul / Mason question has NOTHING to do with if he is or is not one!

Ron Paul fighting for term limits that ultimately will force him out of office. Why would he fight for something that would get him out when we need him in? because he does the right thing no matter what. He sees the big picture, he may be out but the rest of the clowns will be out too.

I'm pretty sure Kennedy wasn't a Mason.

The point is idol worship and objective analysis / fully integrated honesty vs mystical perceptions.

Honestly, His actions for the last 10 terms of congress make your post about as plausible as cats being advanced aliens who are observing the earth to one day conquer it..

I fully reject your premise that the onus is on each one of us to dig for dirt on the personal associations of political figures whom we choose to support. That is a ridiculous statement. Am I to look at the whole world through the lens of "Is he a Mason?"

Oh, yeah, I forgot...the important question is not if he is a Mason...the important question is why am I not spending my time surfing to conspiratorial websites and flying across the country to interview people and FIND OUT FOR MY OWN DAMNED SELF IF HE'S A FREAKIN' MASON!!!

Don't be such an idiot.

and you're missing it.

i wish i had time write another 10 or 20 paragraphs. but i've realized that i can't fix stupid and i can't fix everyone who's hung up in their collectivist, forest-for-the-trees perspective.

a good guy.....
one day last year I asked him does he think Ron Paul can become a president he asked back "is he a Mason?" I said no "he will not become a president if he is not a Mason" was his answer.
So based on that I think Obama is a Mason.

http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/09/10/statement-to-ron-pa...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/57925480@N00/2660779139/sizes/l/

Both men with ties to either Masonry, Alchemy or perhaps the Rosicrucians.
If these are bad men then I aspire to thier beliefs and hopefully one day will gain the source of knowledge these people held. Surely the things they did benefited mankind.

mtmind

Look we all have monsters in our closets. No one is pure. We all hold different views on stuff.

U anti-zionist people freak me out. I hate your jew hating crap but . . . the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

The goal is to kill the bank and bring justice to its minions. Bring liberty to all. You want to have an abortion (I hate it) then pay for it yourself don't use my money.

If Ron is caught up in that goofy shit (handshakes and all) so be it. He probably did it for some kind of political support.

All I know is that as a radical evangelical xian pastor, that alot of people in my church don't hold the views the way I hold them. Some just go for social reasons or to hear me spew inteligent biblical advise to help them with their marriage or finances.

Is Ron beholden to the Illuminati Rosecarian francis Demolay wack jobs?

I truely doubt it.

"will you go away also?" Pete answered "Where else will we go? for you have the words of life"

Leave off this issue.

Watch freedomtofascism.com

I actually got into this movement because I was going to become a Mason. They came over my house and interviewed me and had me scheduled for entry... but after doing my research I decided to cancel. So I never joined.

There was three of them that came over my apartment one night for the interview. Two were just sme old guys that looked like WW2 vets... very nice people. But the third guy was what caugth my eye. He was a Nuclear Physicist from France that has lived in sevedral different countries. He had his own card and a web-site siting his accompllishments. Yup... the entire site was his resume. I can't find the card now... I think I tossed it.

That got me to thinking that maybe most of the Masons are good people... sheep.. if you will... then they have these career NWO folks that get imported to keep an eye on the rest.

Wether Dr. Paul is a mason or not I do not know. I tend not to be a fanatic follower of anything. Ardent supporter.. yes. But not fanatic. People will always let you down... thus far... the almighty has not!

Does my burka make my butt look fatwa?

I am so infuriated by the constant disregard for facts and that an entire slander operation is based on " I am pretty sure he is a mason." That is bearing false witness. I have personally spoken to his son who said he never has been a mason but his granparents were. I have seen a thread ( I'll look it up later) where a man called the woman Liberty Oak who started the whole masonic rumor, and she clarified that Ron is not a mason. Where are your facts?

I reject Masonic conspiracy theory and those who wallow in it. I think it's idiocy.

If this offends anyone--tough shit.

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He's got the message I want............

As I read your post I kept wondering when you would get to the evidence to support your suspicion instead of simply posting a tease.

If you have something to say please say it, we both might learn something in the discourse.

And he's just a simple retired Navy Master Chief. I'm thinking about joining myself, and neither one of us are part of any conspiracy.

paul4won is not a troll. She is courageous to post such blasphemy. To the over-caffeinated name-callers that hide behind their keyboards and monitors: Please devote more time to self examination. Remember that we are here to evolve as spiritual beings and support each other in that effort.

I doubt he's part of the inner club, otherwise the PTB would be pushing him instead of squashing him.

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"It is the responsibility of the patriot to protect his country from its government."

— Thomas Paine

but i still think this thread sucks and please delete it.
yes freemasonry sucks and freemasons are foolish and misguided. but Ron Paul is not one. He was asked by Alex Jones and he said no. I believe him. He has a 30 year record to back his words. over and out
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First let me say paul4won is a friend of mine and no troll. She is a sincere seeker of truth so knock off the accusations.

Here is how I look at it. Actions speak much louder then words. Ron Paul has an exemplary record of honesty and integrity. If He says he's not a Mason I am inclined to believe him based on his track record of honesty. Not on any emotional attachment to him or his message.

I have not done the research on him in particular but I have studied Masonic history and many other esoteric and ancient religions and disciplines quit extensively and am not that concerned by the Masons or any other so called sinister group. They are all basically cultural/spiritual/religious groups formed to fill the perceived needs of the people who joined them at the time and all have morphed along with the cultural changes over the years and centuries.

Just like all long standing groups of any kind factions rise up and take advantage of the group mindset and loyalty. Some know what they are doing others have no idea what they may be supporting. Essentially they are all rotary clubs where certain factions always try to take advantage.

Joining them as a tradition or local cultural thing doesn't make one part of the NWO conspiracy. Only those who participate in the conspiracy are part of it. Being a Human being doesn't make you part of the corruption because some humans are corrupt. Trust me the corrupt recruit from anywhere and everywhere not just the masons.

My thoughts are maybe Ron Paul did join as a family or local cultural tradition and then quit later? I don't know and I don't care. His long proven track record of honesty and integrity through out his life and especially in the dirty business of politics is quit rare in history and speaks volumes to me in light of the actions of so many others that I take him at his word until he gives me a reason not to.

It has nothing to do with deifying him or worshiping him because I am a reason and logic type of guy and his actions speak much louder then anything else in this day and age of corruption and deceit.

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Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. H. L. Mencken

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I see you've reached a conclusion. What evidence do you have to show for it? A few video's of hand shakes and signals? Documents? Audio?

It's not enough to claim you 'did the research' and then question why nobody else has when you have yet provided evidence for the conclusion you've reached.

what I care about is his Congressional voting record...which is exemplary...he has my support...
There are good and bad people in ALL walks of life......

To paul4one: What is your point? Do you have one?...If so then make it, otherwise, your intentions to discredit Ron Paul is suspect. For what reason ? He is no threat to you? Obama is securing the highest office in the land. Surely you're not trying to connect the illegitimacy of Obama's candidacy to Ron Paul??????????

a NWO puppet working with the illuminati to install a one world government
for more than 30 years he stayed in Congress fighting on behalf of America so that 30 years later when hes nearing his death he will betray all his principles and his people and his sick wife.
he also lied when Alex Jones asked him if he was a freemason or in any secret society and he said no. He must be lying.
hes a 10,000th degree freemason and hes the one pulling all the strings of the NWO
Ofcourse this was sarcasm
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I am pretty sure he is a Mason.
I am certain the Masonic tradition has roots in power-mongers seeking World domination. I feel like I am writing for a friggin' comic book, but that is what I know, and I am at about 98% certainty on this.
I suspect he is a good man, who joined a family tradition. I have Masons in my family. At the local level, it is a "good old boys'" club. The sick thing is that the people who "rise" through the organization are the MOST corruptable, devious ones. These entry level organizations are to let the good people get together, do good things, and give a good reputation to the organization. But the liars, cheats, smarmy bastards that can pull the wool over the eyes of the good men get to rise through the ranks.
And sad to say, I am pretty sure he is a "tool" for them now, albeit an unwilling one. One of their greatest "skills" is in taking whatever they are handed and "making lemonade." While we all rejoice in seeing him at last get taken seriously by the media, we are missing what is going on in the minds of those who are hypnotized. They no longer hear him at all. The bastards did their work early, and now the masses think whatever he says is "kooky." They use him to mock us now.
But they keep forgetting about blowback.
And he continues to speak the truth.
And we have to accept that we ALL are tools, albeit unwilling ones - every FRN we circulate keeps us feeding the beast.