Thanksgiving Day Lesson: Overcoming Socialism
Submitted by Michael Nystrom on Wed, 11/26/2008 - 10:50
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Loved the way you guys
owned "defart". And BTW, that is hilarious. He or she (what is it, seriously? A boy or a girl?) truly does reflect complete ignorance of world history. Sad, really, but certainly annoying on this site.
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That is a pretty big blanket
That is a pretty big blanket statement. Small groups of people (hunter gathers) have lived for thousands of years in harsh environments with a 'socialistic' lifestyle.
Before I get flamed I have
Before I get flamed I have to tell you guys that I am a Ron Paul supporter. I just don't think you can say socialism is the only thing responsible for the rough lives they were living. And also to say it had nothing to do with chance...give me a break, farming has a lot to do with chance, if you get a really late frost you are f*****.
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RIGHT ON...and
We are already being imposed on with the BANKING BAILOUT BILL, against the will of the people...
THEY were LIARS who absconded off with billions of dollars in FRESH MONEY from the FED without our permission.
There was no vote for this.
There was no public approval for this.
ONLY Wall Street was cheerleading our government & the FED almost on a daily basis.
They are all beneath contempt, and I resent having to pay for this.
IT IS NOT FAIR........and the other idiot on this blog who suggested socialism is a "modern" and better way.......well, you can stick it, bud!
needs audio editing.
this is so great - but the audio engineer needs to get schooled.
I recommend the Austrian School of Sound Engineering.
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
Great citations. This is
Great citations.
This is bullshit history.
Philosophy and History
yeah, if you look at the history of intellectual ideas, and their impact on society, then you would know that socialism did not spring out of nowhere.
There's the impact of culture, religion, and utopianism. "Great Citations," yeah, and your "bullshit history" comment is the number one reason why the Ron Paul movement needs to front and center in the philosophical/political/theological debates.
!!!!!!!!!!!!We need to build political strength and political will.
We need to build political strength and political will.
This video transplants a
This video transplants a unique situation, the Pilgrims landing in the new world, into a context of modern politics. This video is bullshit. It is trying to legitimize a modern idea, that of 'liberty' (as defined by nutjob Constitutionalists), and seeks to disgrace a modern idea, that of socialism (painted as despotic by nutjoby). You cant take ideas from modern history and apply them to the past. That isnt how it work.
defart, you're needed at
defart, you're needed at this thread:
Complete list of poor nations that adopted gov't socialism & became prosperous:
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/74377
Constitutionalist nutjob
Are you on the wrong site my friend? I think you belong over on dailykos.com ....
And no, this story isn't trying to legitimize anything. Go learn some history and then come back to the grown-up's table when you're done.
You need to be acquainted with the facts...
before you expose your foolishness like this.The narrator is reading from the journal of William Bradford, the governor of the colony. The notion of socialism isn't a modern one. Have you never read Plato? Of course you haven't. You are clearly an unread, unschooled ignoramus. What this video is describing is the historical fact, not some hypothetical theory.
Please tell us the real thanksgiving story Cameron
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Care to explain yourself
or should we take your word for it.. I mean really were you there on the mayflower. Did you live the first their the first year the Pilgrims did..
or was the Governor at Plymouth lying?
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Bravo! every child in North
Bravo!
every child in North America should see this video several times per year.
Mr. Nystrom ...
By far the best video posting you have made.
I do wish to offer a small criticism ...
The narrator speaks in absolutes ...
"Socialism never succeeds" as an example.
Of course the jury is still out on this ...
There are some orders of Nuns that have succeeded for centuries under complete socialism. Of course they rely on capitalistic profits to be offered as charity, but they seemed to have served a purpose and have survived and flourished at times in a completely socialistic structure.
Just a thought ...
I am sure there are other examples as well.
Having said that ...
As a political structure ...
I cannot think of a single successful example.
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WAHOR!!
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We should all be nuns
Or monks, hmmm. Tibetan ones.
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We need to build political strength and political will.
any ism?
Examples of any isms that have "succeeded" please!
Certainly not capitalism.
Certainly not capitalism.
Really
Take your worthless junky socialistic self to the Daily Kos.
You rotten troll and leech minded fool.
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because their is none.
Kinda like fiat money systems. Never has their been a successful one that lasted for long.
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A convent does have a hierarchy.
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I'm talking about any form of Socialism.
Not working.
Where are you going with this?
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Is it socialism or not?
If it is ... it hasn't failed yet.
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you're not too bright are ya.
I'm talking forms of government. Nuns don't sign a pact.. they take vows..
Try not to make this a conversation on exploding concrete because of Styrofoam okay. It's not that hard to grasp.
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Vows are pacts.
Vows are pacts.
A pact is a formal agreement.
A vow is a promise.
Nuns devoting their entire
Nuns devoting their entire lives to the safety, protection, peace, and general welfare of their sisters, fellow Christians, and other children of God isnt a formal agreement? They sure take it more seriously than most people do when it comes to marriage, oath of office, or stock-trading!
What makes an agreement formal? Its written down on paper and signed?
How is a promise not formal? They both can be broken or rewritten at the drop of a hat.
Argue with the dictionary, not me.
Also, I don't think you have a full grasp as to why a woman becomes a nun.
A woman becomes a nun because they want to be the "Bride of Christ". Everything else comes after that. It is a vow, and not a pact, for specific reasons. The same reason you had the "Warsaw Pact" and not the "Warsaw Vow".
Semantics matter.
They accomplish the same
They accomplish the same thing. And are done for the same reasons.
Its not socialist unless its
Its not socialist unless its the government in control. That's the only thing that matters in terms of socialism. People cooperating with each other voluntarily to help out like an order of nuns isn't a socialist structure- it is a voluntary structure. The problem with socialism is that it is coercive.
I agree
Fortune Favors the Bold
Fortune Favors the Bold
That's not true.
There is anarchistic socialism as well. Socialism isn't by definition coercive. The problem with socialism is the problems discussed in the video, which is that communalized property and incomes impedes wealth creation and goes against our natural instinct to want to own the fruits of our labor and to get more wealth than the next guy if we work better than him.
The reason that most applications of socialism are coercive is because most people, at least most productive people, don't want to take part in it, so they have to be forced.
So, what about a thriving community of nuns ...
Any thoughts?
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The key here is CHOICE
I have long thought that the problem with both Commune - ism, and Capitalism is that they are both systems that require 100% VOLUNTARY participation in order to work. In a religious community, each member has CHOSEN as an INDIVIDUAL to live that life. It has not been FORCED on them. Because of this choice, even though they may not own any material goods, they still maintain themSELVES and their ability to chose And because their participation is voluntary the system CAN work. But FORCED communism cannot work because we are human beings and are flawed. There will always be those who want to TAKE by FORCE from others, and will thus go against the purity of the idea of a communal society.
A Capitalistic society is wonderful IF all members continue to abide by the initial premise ... that no one may impose FORCE on another, but all activities must be fair TRADES between willing parties. But again, this system usually will break down, NOT because the precepts of capitalism are flawed, but because humans are flawed and there will ALWAYS be those who are not content to be totally responsible for their own success. In the end they will revert to theft, deception, perhaps even murder in order to take from another.
I think this is why most societies end up in some sort of socialism as attempted compromise between communism and capitalism. It ends up socialism because neither one of the others can work in their purest form without 100% participation.
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Yes and you're the moron.
Who Claims the Federal Reserve isn't owned by private banking interests.
Then again if one wasn't to know that one might think you to be informative
Sorry Anarchistic socialism doesn't work either.
Excerpt of
Fragments: A Memoir", by Sam Dolgoff (Refract Publications, 1986)
"Thus viewed, anarchism is a believable, practical guide to social organization. It is otherwise doomed to Utopian dreams, nor a living force."
http://flag.blackened.net/liberty/miscon.html
Excerpt from a Biography of his life:
And when the golden sun of the revolutionary future dawned, he expected the militant rank and file labour organizations to form One Big Union and take over industry and administer society in the light of reason. Anarcho-syndicalism - trade unionism with a "libertarian socialist goal", in other words - was the name of this doctrine.
http://libcom.org/history/dolgoff-sam-1902-1990
Yeah one Big Union of Socialistic Labor is what I want.. (THICK SARCASM)
But then again their is two sides to every story and Dolgoff fought against Communism fiercely... But to replace it with what you feel is a better from of Socialism is still Socialism.
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To the contrary.
You're the moron.
Apparently you can't read. I just said that anarchistic socialism doesn't work. Anarchistic socialism is what this video was describing.
Apparently
haha. I was quick skimming thinking your were defending Anarchist Socialism..
You still are wrong about the Federal Reserve. but that is another thread.
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Good point ...
I guess I have no arguement with that statement.
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You wouldn't..
I'll refrain from why... cause you already know what I'm going to say.
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