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Confused About Hyperinflation? It Always Happens During A Deflationary Slump!

There seems to be some confusion about Hyperinflation.Do you know that in 95% of all historic cases of hyperinflation it begins during either a deflationary depression or deep deflationary recession? The other 5% is brought about by political stupidity as in Zimbabwe.

Hyperinflation operates in a very different way than regular inflation.

THE MOST DANGEROUS PERIOD FOR HYPERINFLATION IS DURING A DEFLATIONARY RECESSION OR DEPRESSION...NOT DURING AN INFLATIONARY RECOVERY

Regular inflation does not lead to hyperinflation, deflation leads to hyperinflation, primarily because the people are beat down by the deflation depression or recession and they being to lose confidence in the government and the money and because the central banks will always over respond to the deflationary slump...as we are now seeing with perhaps the most dangerous move the FED can make and that is quantitative easing, or direct fiat liquidity injections.

It seems counterintuitive, and perhaps that is the problem some people are having in trying to understand just how hyperinflation occurs.

Now, I fully realize that some are under the impression that hyperinflation can only occur when the money supply is rapidly moving through the economy, that is definitely true of plain inflation, but not of hyperinflation since it is a horse of a very different color.

The fact is that the normal velocity of money has very little to do with hyperinflation as it does with regular inflation where the velocity of money is converts the expanded money supply into inflation.

As I said, hyperinflation is primarily a psychological event and happens when masses of people lose confidence in both their government and the monetary system. Yes, it does have to do with the money supply also, but it is primarily the effect of people simply losing faith in the system. Such a loss of faith can happen and usually does happen during deflationary periods, not in periods of economic booms or even economic recoveries. So, hyperinflation is both a monetary event and a socio-political event. Every single example in history, all the way back to Rome, will show that hyperinflation always begins during a deflationary period and is a combination of a rapid increase in the money supply with a rather rapid loss of confidence in the system. Check it out for yourself.
So, hyperinflation, as I have said a hundred times on the DP never happens during an upturn in the economy.

Some seem to think that the money supply has to be filtering through the economy for it to happen, but history proves that is not the case with hyperinflation, only inflation. It is a mistake to believe that the normal deflationary/inflationary forces are at work when hyperinflation takes hold of an economy, they are not the primary force behind hyperinflation.

At the moment, there are absolutely huge amounts of fiat funds being infused into the economic system, which, if we were in a recovery would automatically translate into high inflation, but the danger is that hyperinflation could very easily take charge as the public continues to lose a great deal of confidence in the government and the monetary system. Another interesting fact about hyperinflation is that it always seems to involve some type of quantitative easing by the governing powers, now, for the first time the FED is using the policy of quantitative easing in this country.

The reason that hyperinflation and quantitative easing are so linked together is because with quantitative easing there is a direct infusion of money into the economic system by the central banks instead of using the fractional reserve system and the monetizing of debt. Many are screaming about debt monetization, well guess what…they are skipping that process now in favor of quantitative easing and there in is the danger for hyperinflation. Quantitative easing also skips the market process normally associated with the creation and velocity of money.

There are several other companies, or sectors of the economy that are lining up at the quantitative easing trough, GE, along with the Big Three are all sticking out their hands for this direct lending bailouts, many are trying to figure out just how to ask for the money now, they are working the system. Even the banks have now consolidated themselves into institutions with the tagline:"TOO BIG TO FAIL". The type of credit that is involved with quantitative easing always, without exception, carries a major consequence with it, especially when the FED is basically “printing” this money without going through the usual monetization process. The dollar will suffer, at the moment it is only slightly rallying because of the actions taken by the FED with TARP and other handout programs but that will stop as we continue on this destructive path. The fact is that there will be nothing to help the dollar from drastic depreciation, the carry trade won’t help, nor will any attempts to draw in more credit from overseas.

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Merry Saturnalia and to all a good night!

deflation??? I don't think

deflation??? I don't think so!
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"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

great

great article!

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Another Gem of clarity!

Another Gem of clarity! Thanks Republicae!

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Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. H. L. Mencken

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What measurements

are in place to measure when the hyperinflation will start? Or are their any? Do you have any personal opinions as to how much time before a hyperinflationary event will occur?

I was afraid of that

Thanks for your response!

Hyperinflation is perhaps

Hyperinflation is perhaps the most dangerous because there is absolutely no measuring rod to determine when or if it will happen.

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I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue. Barry Goldwater

Yes just look how fast Iceland went into chaos

inflation is nefarious and sneaky on multiple levels

Inflation can be relatively

Inflation can be relatively measured as long as the FED discloses the M3, which it effectively stopped back in Mar. 2006, but hyperinflation in particular is such a peculiar animal with various counterintuitive factors involved that it can easily catch a society by complete surprise.

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I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue. Barry Goldwater

Everyone should read this

Everyone should read this thread....it is a really great article:

http://www.dailypaul.com/...

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I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue. Barry Goldwater

Confidence

Always enjoy your posts. You point out a key factor that the media has been harping on, but failing to clarify. They say, "there's a lack of confidence out there" and that explains low spending, borrowing and hesitancy to re-enter the market. That may be true, but you correctly say that lack of confidence goes beyond that, to the very "money" we use. Most adults have seen some level of currency-inflation throughout their lives and not only consider it as a constant "normal" but fear that inflation can increase significantly, at any time. The very fact that the quantity and value of our currency is subject to Fed/gov't manipulation does not inspire confidence. In fact, it encourages people to buy on credit during times of high inflation and make snap decisions if they sense a change coming. Not conditions for sound, long-term economic decisions. Ever since going off the gold standard in '71, we have lacked some confidence in our currency.
I retook a college econ. course, after a 30 year gap. One of the big changes was the very definition of "money." Today, the book states, "the Federal Reserve creates money "out of thin air" (actual quote from a modern textbook) and "the thing that "gives" our money value is it's "general acceptability." Unreal! There are so many things wrong with that that's is amazing anyone today even understands what money really is. Of course, you can't create real money (or anything else of value) out of thin air and nothing has to "give" real money it's "value." It has inherent, intrinsic, real value in and of itself. That's how you know it's real money.
Stating that money has value because of it's "general acceptability" is saying that it has value as long as you, I and the merchant all believe it has value and will accept it as payment. As you point out, the day that we no longer "believe" our paper money has value, is the day that hyper-inflation begins. We suffer from a mass economic delusion, that our FRN's have real value. The day that Toto pulls back the curtain, is the beginning of the return to the "real value" of our currency......that of the nice ink and high-quality paper it's printed on......about 3 cents, right?
Paper currency backed by gold and silver (or anything else of real value) is not subject to inflation or any other type of gov't manipulation. Confidence in real money is inherent. Real money is a solid foundation for wealth creation. What we have right now, is a sinkhole filled with quicksand, that threatens to ruin the greatest economic engine ever devised by man: Free Market Capitalism.

THAT IS WERE I PLACE MY CONFIDENCE!

"..shall not be infringed."

Thank you so much Sunsue, I

Thank you so much Sunsue, I enjoyed your post and agree with you wholeheartedly. It is not only astounding that so much trust has been placed in the Federal Reserve's ability to magically manufacture "money", but it is also amazing that we continue to listen to all the "accepted" economists, the media pundits and the politicians who simply don't have a clue as to what is happening!

There is such ignorance being taught and accepted that I can't believe it. Public opinion is made every night on cable news as they spout out the various scenario's and solutions via the very people that have helped cause this mess in the first place.

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I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue. Barry Goldwater

Recessions As Educational Events

Ageed. It is both amazing and appalling, the amount of mis-information and mal-education that exists today. It's almost as if Adam Smith, Bastiat, and Rothbard never wrote a single word. I thought one of the beauties of being human was that we invented the written word, so that we didn't have to keep making the same stupid mistakes.
One of the games I play is to mentally counter-argue all the talking heads on the tube. From history to politcs and economics, almost all have it wrong. Maybe that's another one of the benefits of this recession, we can us it as a teaching device to the under-educated. "Gosh, congress passed the bailout and the market crashed...wonder why?" "Gee, we thought failed bank X only needed 20 Billion, but now it's three times that and there are many more companies now lining up for a handout..why is that?" Man. we elected a new president for "Change" and now that's all we have left in our pockets.....and there was almost no difference in policy.
The Austrian school studies behavior as much as charts. Our leaders (and voters) would do well to pick up on that.
Here's the historical oddity. Two hundred yrs. ago the new King brings his important businessmen together and asks: "What can I do for you?" Of course the famous answer, "Leave us alone (Laizze Faire)"
Today, the Big Three beat a path to the Taxpayer Trough, tincup in hand, and say, "Our Corporate jets need more fuel and our union members just can't make it on $75 an hour."
Maybe "Begging for Corporate Welfare" will be the epitath on the American Capitalism Tombstone.

"..shall not be infringed."

no deflation

no deflation here!
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"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

They kicked me off "the Tree

They kicked me off "the Tree of Liberty" because I was too radical and touched too many "golden calves" for their taste...especially when I touched Sarah Palin... LOL

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really? I thought they were

really? I thought they were more of a Ron Paul supporting site// maybe not! I just like to read John Gault.. he is just like you and me!

"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

Thanks, so much

for sharing your knowledge with us. I'm a bit slow but really hope to catch up to others in an effort to understand just what is happening to us. I own my home but fear down the road losing it to taxes that keep going up, up, up.

hyperinflation at wikipedia

Lots of info about various country's hyperinflation here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w...

"Cash—Not Gold—Is New Safe Haven for Investors"

It's a setup for a big slap in the face down the road (in my opinion).

http://www.cnbc.com/id/27...

Interesting opinion I must

Interesting opinion I must say!!!

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I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue. Barry Goldwater

Sell your gold.

I'll give you pretty pieces of paper for them.

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Actually, they're not very pretty. They look like someone spilled ice tea all over the paper. Yuck.

Here in Australia, we have pretty PLASTIC money because we love trees so darn much.

So, you make your fiat money

So, you make your fiat money out of oil by products? NICE.

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I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue. Barry Goldwater

You can literally launder money here.

Plastic money is an export business, BTW. Many countries are switching from paper.

You won't be able to burn it in the future but, gosh darn, don't they make pretty curtains.

http://www.rba.gov.au/cur...

That can come in

That can come in handy....

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I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue. Barry Goldwater

What are the examples of

What are the examples of hyperinflation happening during/after deflationary depressions?

Germany is the most famous

Germany is the most famous example during the Weimar Republic.
The Free City of Danzig
Georgia
Greece
Hungary
China
Iceland
Israel
Nicaragua
Republika Srpska
Japan
Madagascar
Angola
Belarus
Bolivia
Argentina
Bosnia-Herzegovina
Chile
Poland
Peru
Romania
Turkey
Russia almost throughout the Soviet period
Romania
Ukraine
The United States-both Colonial and then Revolutionary
Zaire
Yugoslavia

Now, we can go back to Rome, Ancient China and a few others that tried fiat money.

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That is quite a list. Could

That is quite a list. Could you put time periods for the list?

Germany is the most famous

Germany is the most famous example during the Weimar Republic. -1920s
The Free City of Danzig -1922-23
Georgia-1994
Greece 1942-44
Hungary-1941-46
China-1948-49
Iceland-currently
Israel-1971-1979 & 1980-1984
Nicaragua-1987-1990
Republika Srpska 1990s
Japan 1946-1948
Madagascar 2004-2005
Angola-1991-1995
Belarus-1994-2002
Bolivia-1984-1986
Brazil-1986-1994
Argentina-1975-1991
Bosnia-Herzegovina-1992-1993
Chile-1971-1973
Poland- 1922-1923, 1990-1993
Peru-1988-1990
Romania-1998-2005
Turkey-1990-2005
Russia almost throughout the Soviet period
Romania-1998-2008
Ukraine-1992-1995
The United States-both Colonial and then Revolutionary
Zaire-1989-1996
Yugoslavia-1989-1994

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I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue. Barry Goldwater

A good portion of the list

A good portion of the list contains war torn environments and politically unstable countries which would lend support to your statement that hyperinflation is always aligned with loss of confidence by the masses. However, it doesn't seem possible that every one of the examples experienced a deflationary depression prior to the hyperinflation . For example, the Chile 71-73 was when we ran an embargo to isolate the country and performed black opps to destabilize Chile. https://www.cia.gov/libra... and http://foia.state.gov/Rep... Also, the country didn't seem to be in a deflationary depression, it was just a socialistic mess. http://countrystudies.us/... I was visiting a friend in Yugoslavia just before the war started. They were also a dictatorial mess, but I'm not sure it was a deflationary environment. In fact, most of the examples have a strong correlation to CIA intervention. One could theorize that the CIA performing covert operations in your country leads to hyperinflation because it leads to destabilizing the political system.

Do you have evidence that supports the deflationary depression side of the theory?

The evidence is simple, look

The evidence is simple, look at the economic factors prior to the advent of hyperinflation. In regards to Chile, there were several more factors that were much more prevalent than just the CIA seeking to undermine the government of Allende.

The Allende regime seized factories in a broad nationalization plan, along with farms to the point that such a massive nationalization of the economy it caused an incredible deflationary downturn. The government could then only resort to printing money to pay its nationalized workers leading to hyperinflation. I could go into more detail, but it is easy enough to reseach the effects of the nationalization of the Chilean economy.

Yugoslavia is a very interesting case because there are so many factors involved with the economic troubles that it is hard to know exactly where to start. Perhaps one of the most interesting facts is that Slobodan Milosevic actually ordered the Serbian National Bank to issue $1.4 Billion in credit to Milosevics cronies. Yugoslavia had problems being back in 1971 through the 90s, but it was perhaps Milosovic's little deal that sealed the fate of the economy because it drained more than half of the money that the National Bank of Yugoslavia budgeted to create in 1991 and caused a severe deflationary contraction in the country. This, of course, prompted the necessity to print away and thus hyperinflation was the result.

I think if you look at every example of hyperinflation, except for that small percentage that was due to political expendency or stupidity, you will see that they all experienced a deflationary event, whether that event was caused by mismanagement or deficit spending for war, the results are all related to a deflationary event.

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Sure, let me get back to the

Sure, let me get back to the house and I will provide those to you along with more detail.

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I'm confused

I understand the reasons give for coming inflation: the Fed's printing of excessive dollars, which devalues the dollar -- the essence of inflation. What I don't understand is: how is inflation sustainable if massive numbers of people are unemployed, the economy slows down, and wages remain stagnant while diminshing numbers of jobs continue to be outsourced overseas? Under those circumstances, where does the consumer get the money to pay rising prices? What happens to inflation at that point? Is that what causes a depression?

What you are describing is

What you are describing is “stagflation”, something that was suppose to be impossible according to Keynesian and Neo-Classical Economics based on their econometric models. Basically, it is situation where there is high unemployment, stagnate economic growth, decreasing or stagnate wages while the inflation rate increases. In such cases, people being to expect higher and higher prices and thus they stock up, hoarding if you will. Demand strangely enough becomes higher during such periods even though prices are increasing. Eventually, of course, this higher demand placed pressure on wages pushing them up, increasing the inflationary pressure within the economy. So, essentially, the inflation began to build upon itself.

Now, during high inflation, several things begin to take place, one is that people try to buy as much as they can today because they expect prices to continue rising.

Now, it is important to remember just what inflation has done to our currency. Let’s say you make $15.00 per hour or approximately $600.00 per week before taxes. That $15.00 per hour has the effective purchasing power of $2.69 per hour in 1970 Dollars or $107.49 per week. In other words you $15.00 per hour has been depreciated by $12.37. You think you are making $15.00 per hour or $600.00 per week, but that is only face value because the important thing, the purchase value has been stolen by the inflation tax. Now, take that same $15.00 per hour or $600.00 per week and compare it with the purchasing power of the Dollar in 1913. Your $600.00 per week would buy approximately $27.43 worth of goods in 1913 and your hourly wage of $15.00 would only buy you $0.69 worth of goods in 1913.

Perhaps the best book I can suggest to you about The Great Depression is called America’s Great Depression by Murray Rothbard.

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I'll give you some more

I'll give you some more information when I get back to the house.

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Not Deflation - It's Deleveraging

Deflation comes from the contraction in the money supply.

Inflation comes from the expansion of the money supply.

What is happening now is that

. They turned off the money spigots. No more lending.

. This caused those needing funds to generate cash to survive.

. This was done by selling what they owned.

. This meant selling stocks held in world markets.

. The money was then put into Treasury bills.

. This strengthened the USD artificially

. That money did NOT leave the money supply. It is still out there.

. Soon, we see a huge reflation of the markets.

. The 10 TRILLION dollars printed will also join the party.

. Hyperinflation comes between end 2009 - 2010.

(Inflation normally takes 12-18 Months to work into the economy)

Once the USD looses offical world reserve status, expect overnight loss of 50% of it's value and lockdown price controls.

Think Argentina, Iceland.

"Selling stocks in world

"Selling stocks in world markets." "Then money was put into Treasury bills."

It seems to me that for every stock sold and money put somewhere else that money had to be "taken" from somewhere else to buy the stock. Therefore, how could there be more money on the sidelines (T-bills, etc.) than before? Coud someone help me understand this?

As I said, unless we see a

As I said, unless we see a drastic deflationary slump I doubt if we will see hyperinflation. That being said, in a highly inflationary environment rates could reach the point that they might as well be hyperinflationary because of the effects they have on the economy.

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Now I'm confused

From your OP, I took it that all the conditions are forming for hyperinflation, but here you are saying not likely?

Thanks, btw for taking the time to explain all of this to people like me. All those Econ courses I had to take in college bored me to tears, and I barely passed them with C's. Here I am now, some 24 years later, on the DP trying to learn as much as I can as quickly as possible. Nothing like the School of Reality to wake a person up.

Keep Studying

Not to worry. Modern econ. textbooks are overly complicated because they still cling to the disproven Keynesian models. He was a trained British mathmetician who knew little about how real people make decisions in the marketplace. He reminds me of Marx in that he tended to disregard human behavior and tried to group people together and explain things by mathematic or scientific modeling. I think they both failed to understand human motivation. Why pick more potatoes when I've already met my daily quota? Adam Smith explained the basic motivation for the success of modern capitalism: Enlightened self-interest.
Most Economics textbooks start off explaining the basics for economics very clearly and simply. Scarcity. Unlimited needs and limited resources. Supply and Demand. A constant need to adjust to find the optimum equilibribium price to keep supply and demand in balance. All valid, basic, common-sense laws of economics. The market is naturally self-ordering. It happens in millions of markets by millions of buyers and sellers ever day.
The problem in undertanding is only when JM Keynes enters and says," well the market may be self-regulating....just not soon enough...it gets kinda stuck and needs gov't intervention to help out." Huh? Not soon enough for whom? What is the right timeframe? Who controls it? He's wrong. Period. Every gov't that ever intervened in the marketplace, screwed it up and crashed their economy, in time.
So hang in there and keep reading the Austrian economists: Hayek, Rothbard, Hazlett, etc and enjoy some econ/literature, too. Rand, Lane, Duncan, etc.
"..shall not be infringed."

All students of austrian economics know what is going ...

to happen ...

The question is ...

When is it going to happen?

Dr. Heyek was a bit off on timing as well.

While irrationality is growing exponentially, it can still be put off for a decade or two.

WAHOR!!
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I agree to a degree however,

I agree to a degree however, I don't see how this fiat monetary system can last for another decade or two, that would truly surprise me since every fiat system has an inherent termination point depending on the amount of abuse that has been heaped upon it and this system is one abused puppy!

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why is this so hard for

why is this so hard for people to understand?? I stand by the thought that we have not seen deflation.. just a reduction in inflation! the price of gas was never used in the governments statistics to figure the CPI and should not be used to figure in deflation now! food is still up! the cost of medical care is still going up, the cost of fixing my car at the mechanics shop is going up. the public service company who supplies my electricity just asked for a 5% rate increase! Deflation? yea right!

"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

I agree

there's no deflation in my world, either. My costs for everything continue to rise, and it's only a matter of time for the gas prices to go up, too.

the property tax bill just came and it's higher-

the water department, which has raised rates for two years, is asking for an astronomical increase in both water and sewer because people conserved as the economy went in the toilet (a little water use humor) and sales fell 15% in 2007-my personal litmus test for food shows no price decrease, wages are declining now not only due to the difference between reported inflation and actual inflation but also straight out cuts in pay....

Did you see the CNN article put up this morning on instituting a VAT to pay for all our deficit spending....all of this is inflationary....salary, if you manage to keep your job, will buy less and living standards will decrease.

http://money.cnn.com/2008...

Thanks for more on quantitative easing Republicae

to think about it.. my

to think about it.. my irrigation water on my ranch went from 2200.00 last year to 2700.00 this year ... so much for DEFLATION!

"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

It is hard because you never

It is hard because you never hear this in the mainstream media. All of their talk of deflation and inflation are only ever about the normal economic cycles. They never talk about the possibility of economic collapse. It has never happened, and in their minds, never will. Unlike every other empire and economy in the history of the world, ours will survive forever.

Some of us have had to go through some serious de-programming in the last couple years to understand what is really happening around us. We have been indoctrinated since birth on the debt-based economy and never taught to ask what other options are available.

khomar... people only think

khomar... people only think in terms of housing prices and stocks.. those two assets are going down.. but everything else I see is going up! deflation my arse!

"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

You are correct, some appear

You are correct, some appear to be confused about deflation, inflation, hyperinflation, hyperdeflation, stagflation, disinflation and every other economic term including recession and depression.

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That's just it, the

That's just it, the deflation we have seen thus far in terms of CPI has only taken us back to 2007 levels of inflation. The deflation rate I believe is something like 4.4% but prices are still 3.7% higher than this time last year in many sectors of the economy, therefore the effective rate of deflation, if you believe government numbers, is around 0.7%...not a heck of a lot if you ask me. I do however believe that we are in for a major deflationary slump and therein is the problem, if the government and the FED is going crazy over what we are seeing now just think what they will do when deflation really dips to lower levels.

We have people crying about deflation, heck, they don't know what deflation is, when deflation levels hit double digits then those cries maybe valid, but not yet.

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you know I do not beleive

you know I do not beleive government numbers... the US government is the biggest liar in the history of the world! I also liked your point in another thread that if the US government figured unemployment the same way they did in the 1930's we would have a much higher unemploment rate!
JZNEFF likes to compare this economic time frame with 79'80'... as I have told him repeatedly, we are in a much different economic period then then! the fundamentals are nowhere near the same!

"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain