Excuse to reason it away. It wouldn't matter if we had footage of people rigging bombs and testimony from the pentagon itself . People would still not understand or stubbornly cling to their own comfort level of reality.
I believe when people are ready for the message, they'll accept it. Either their ripe (prepared) or their not. Great stuff in a certain respect. There are many who are ripe already for the message but haven't heard the message or lest not from the, if ya will, the right messenger.
This is not something that is make-believe, its not pretend, its not a fantasy world. We don't have to make stuff up just so we can have converts to our own personal beliefs. There is a group of people already ripe for the message, there you'll find the army. They are the army, those who have no desire to be deceived. I hate to be deceived, that's my own motive and there are many here, many more who, whom are ripe throughout the world but more specially within the United States. The world is the world and I'm not trying to save the world.
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Now, as a quick example, even on the Daily Paul, If you would or even some others would put up this very same video: the outcome including the interaction of comments and the like would very possibly be totally different: hence, the "right messenger" or just a different messenger, different personality applies also. The Messenger has to match the intended viewers kind of thing. A human nature thing, its only natural.
People, people, holy shit! I don't know if anyone else has noticed this before, but watch the tower that doesn't fall, there's a huge explosion in the north tower as the south tower collapses. Holy shit Holy shit! You see fireballs shooting out of the building as the other falls. Am I the only one that's noticed this. Tell me if you guys see it too, or if I'm just noticing something that everyone has noticed before.
You might be right. There does appear to be a large fireball that comes out of the other tower.
If I was a member of NIST, I would probably say something like, umm, "oh, that fireball is just due to oxygen blowing into the still standing building from the falling tower and feeding the fire, thus causing a fireball. Nothing to see here..........move along"
I hope someone with more knowledge of fires and explosions can try to figure this one out. This could be yet another smoking gun
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The Animatrix flick, I just watched it when you mentioned it, oop.
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Now, that metacafe vid you shared is interesting cause of the opening "Tower" pictures, not just a picture(s) if ya will to me. First time that I've heard that song by the way! The lyrics at the end, "Goodbye blue sky, Goodbye blue sky, Goodbye, Goodbye" could go into a deep extended thought if someone wanted to go about the task and or just had the interest.
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Matrix vs Pink Floyd
I'd have to watch it some more to say somethin' about it. But, for a quick note: I'm really not much of a video type of person.
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NOW, the "Pink Floyd / Matrix Sync Part 1 Shine On You Crazy Diamond" is a different story, someone matched the video 'n the music quite well. I was impressed with the synchronization of the music 'n vid, sort-of rare I think.
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Pink Floyd: Welcome to the Machine (anti war version)
Pretty movin' stuff! Laugh, that Forest Gump guy could have substituted I think.
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Video editing is easy. All the 9-11 clips are old now. I highly doubt many videos are from the original source anymore. I don't trust the youtube videos at all. Zero--Whole different story.
Remember, I personally saw the pentagon 2 minutes after it was hit, I don't even trust that there were planes involved anywhere. I think the whole thing was an elaborate Israeli plan to destabilze and I think the truther movement is the same thing from the same source.
Even though, I'm not sure about the release date. I couldn't find any info on it. I do find that this clip is true! I examine the videos I see for "the fake stuff" if ya will.
I don't think its been played with and yes the clips from YouTube are piss poor. The truth has a way, even though sometimes ever so slightly, "to show itself". People's interest seems to be fading. Oh, I downloaded this clip 'n converted it, its so piss-'po that the lower quality is actually better.
Yeah, I'm sharin' (uploadin') Zero on a torrent file.
I also believe that certain Israelis, a group, a small group possibly were involved with the "Twin Towers Attack".
"the truther movement is the same thing from the same source." It appears that they may very well control some of the release dates of these videos. After awhile, they'll have no meaning.
And, I could write this a few times over, but sorry, I'm goin' with this for now. Takes awhile to load certain thoughts, to cover all aspects of an argument. But Hey!
I don't understand why you posted this here. This video has been shown in tons of other clips. It's old news. Why are you posting it now?
And why post here in the Ron Paul forums when this has nothing to do with Ron Paul? He has disavowed any belief in conspiracies. I'm sure there are plenty of other forums you can go to discuss your theories.
If the puffs or plumes that some refer to as squibs are really pure pressure being released, would there not be many, many more with all the weight of the building coming down? It is the clearest shot I have seen of what appears to be 2 squibs or pressure release points as it comes down, anyone else notice that? I for one would think that if it fell ,there would be many of those types of releases, but if you pause it at just the right time, in the very middle of the tower there is one large plume that blasts out, and then another to the lower left side that appears smaller. Some say that those are demolition squibs; I for one do not know the difference, but interesting video all the way around...
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I'm guessing its a part of the "fireman footage". The firemen and the police would have been the only ones who had access to that area, also, a zoom-in wasn't being used on the camera.
To people trying to identify explosions - please, give it a rest. You are not members of CSI. You have no training in acoustics. You couldn't tell a balloon popping from a brick hitting the concrete with this cheap camcorder mounted microphone, let alone telling rubble collapse from an explosion. The sound levels are maxed out and you can't tell jack about it.
But, you fail to realize 1.) the cameraman was close close to the scene and 2.) sound traveling in a city environment has to go through, around, bounces off of the other buildings which tends to magnify the sound(s). A hollow echo sound is very possible.
And, as you said, "the cheap camcorder mounted microphone" may be a bit off-rocker as far as pick-up capabilities. I'll use it in my direction as well.
I do lean strongly towards the explosive route. I can see where a person could, by this video, say that it was a "pancake collapse". Their study wouldn't have gone deep enough. The "pancake collapse" is a quick way to describe it and shrug it off.
I was just getting ready to say, It "sounds" like there were a couple, maybe three floors that did "pancake collapse" through knowledge gathered from this video. The first two "bang slaps" of this video would be my guess.
Not sure I'd know what one would sound like, a "collapsing floor"!
I'm just bored with being 'shocked' by the irrefutable evidence. It will just keep piling up. The problem is the mass psychological reaction of denial. THAT is the great challenge of the day.
the guy was around the firemen I'll presume for now that this is a part of the "firemen videos". Its my understanding that they have videos of their own.
if its real, wow. possibly not though, just playing the skeptic here but notice how noones voices are heard or there are any other sounds while the explosions are going off, then once theyre done you can hear general sound quite clearly. definitely worth more investigation though, if this is the real deal video then its BIG NEWS
I'm wonderin' about it myself. The sound seriously appears to be a perfect match to what was happening. I've been through it 50-60-70 times who knows, its impressive.
No matter how clear the lie becomes the skeptics will find some
Excuse to reason it away. It wouldn't matter if we had footage of people rigging bombs and testimony from the pentagon itself . People would still not understand or stubbornly cling to their own comfort level of reality.
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The War Of The Mind
I believe when people are ready for the message, they'll accept it. Either their ripe (prepared) or their not. Great stuff in a certain respect. There are many who are ripe already for the message but haven't heard the message or lest not from the, if ya will, the right messenger.
This is not something that is make-believe, its not pretend, its not a fantasy world. We don't have to make stuff up just so we can have converts to our own personal beliefs. There is a group of people already ripe for the message, there you'll find the army. They are the army, those who have no desire to be deceived. I hate to be deceived, that's my own motive and there are many here, many more who, whom are ripe throughout the world but more specially within the United States. The world is the world and I'm not trying to save the world.
... ... ...
Small Add-On:
Now, as a quick example, even on the Daily Paul, If you would or even some others would put up this very same video: the outcome including the interaction of comments and the like would very possibly be totally different: hence, the "right messenger" or just a different messenger, different personality applies also. The Messenger has to match the intended viewers kind of thing. A human nature thing, its only natural.
HOLY SH*T! HOLY SH*T!
People, people, holy shit! I don't know if anyone else has noticed this before, but watch the tower that doesn't fall, there's a huge explosion in the north tower as the south tower collapses. Holy shit Holy shit! You see fireballs shooting out of the building as the other falls. Am I the only one that's noticed this. Tell me if you guys see it too, or if I'm just noticing something that everyone has noticed before.
Bloody Hell
You might be right. There does appear to be a large fireball that comes out of the other tower.
If I was a member of NIST, I would probably say something like, umm, "oh, that fireball is just due to oxygen blowing into the still standing building from the falling tower and feeding the fire, thus causing a fireball. Nothing to see here..........move along"
I hope someone with more knowledge of fires and explosions can try to figure this one out. This could be yet another smoking gun
"Welcome to the Machine"
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Welcome my son
Welcome to the machine
Where have you been?
It's alright we know where you've been
You've been in the pipeline
Filling in time
Provided with toys and scouting for boys
You brought a guitar to punish your ma
And you didn't like school
And you know you're nobody's fool
So welcome to the machine
Welcome my son
Welcome to the machine
What did you dream?
It's alright we told you what to dream
You dreamed of a big star
He played a mean gituar
He always ate in the Steak Bar
He loved to drive in his Jaguar
So welcome to the Machine
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http://uk.youtube.com/wat...
Shine On
The Animatrix flick was outstanding.
http://www.metacafe.com/w...
Welcome...
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The last, antiwar version in your post was a poignant terror-ific meditation.
Laugh, Sorry, I Went Into A Daze
The Animatrix flick, I just watched it when you mentioned it, oop.
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Now, that metacafe vid you shared is interesting cause of the opening "Tower" pictures, not just a picture(s) if ya will to me. First time that I've heard that song by the way! The lyrics at the end, "Goodbye blue sky, Goodbye blue sky, Goodbye, Goodbye" could go into a deep extended thought if someone wanted to go about the task and or just had the interest.
... ... ...
Matrix vs Pink Floyd
http://uk.youtube.com/wat...
I'd have to watch it some more to say somethin' about it. But, for a quick note: I'm really not much of a video type of person.
... ... ...
NOW, the "Pink Floyd / Matrix Sync Part 1 Shine On You Crazy Diamond" is a different story, someone matched the video 'n the music quite well. I was impressed with the synchronization of the music 'n vid, sort-of rare I think.
... ... ...
Pink Floyd: Welcome to the Machine (anti war version)
http://uk.youtube.com/wat...
Pretty movin' stuff! Laugh, that Forest Gump guy could have substituted I think.
... ... ...
My analytical surgical mind mentality Shines On from time-to-time.
: - )
Keeping in mind that I DO NOT buy the official story
Video editing is easy. All the 9-11 clips are old now. I highly doubt many videos are from the original source anymore. I don't trust the youtube videos at all. Zero--Whole different story.
Remember, I personally saw the pentagon 2 minutes after it was hit, I don't even trust that there were planes involved anywhere. I think the whole thing was an elaborate Israeli plan to destabilze and I think the truther movement is the same thing from the same source.
The Timing Of The Release Of This Clip Concerns Me
Even though, I'm not sure about the release date. I couldn't find any info on it. I do find that this clip is true! I examine the videos I see for "the fake stuff" if ya will.
I don't think its been played with and yes the clips from YouTube are piss poor. The truth has a way, even though sometimes ever so slightly, "to show itself". People's interest seems to be fading. Oh, I downloaded this clip 'n converted it, its so piss-'po that the lower quality is actually better.
Yeah, I'm sharin' (uploadin') Zero on a torrent file.
I also believe that certain Israelis, a group, a small group possibly were involved with the "Twin Towers Attack".
"the truther movement is the same thing from the same source." It appears that they may very well control some of the release dates of these videos. After awhile, they'll have no meaning.
And, I could write this a few times over, but sorry, I'm goin' with this for now. Takes awhile to load certain thoughts, to cover all aspects of an argument. But Hey!
You People Lame Or What
This an excellent video in some respects. The interest is falling by the wayside?
What do you want?
I don't understand why you posted this here. This video has been shown in tons of other clips. It's old news. Why are you posting it now?
And why post here in the Ron Paul forums when this has nothing to do with Ron Paul? He has disavowed any belief in conspiracies. I'm sure there are plenty of other forums you can go to discuss your theories.
Show Me One Place "This Exact Video" Has Been Shown
Where? Is Ron Paul about the truth in Government or just bits 'n pieces of truth?
Since the new master has arrived the interest has taken an abrupt fall. I'm the only one who noticed?
Interesting!
If the puffs or plumes that some refer to as squibs are really pure pressure being released, would there not be many, many more with all the weight of the building coming down? It is the clearest shot I have seen of what appears to be 2 squibs or pressure release points as it comes down, anyone else notice that? I for one would think that if it fell ,there would be many of those types of releases, but if you pause it at just the right time, in the very middle of the tower there is one large plume that blasts out, and then another to the lower left side that appears smaller. Some say that those are demolition squibs; I for one do not know the difference, but interesting video all the way around...
In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.
~Mark Twain
It Is A Good Video
I'm guessing its a part of the "fireman footage". The firemen and the police would have been the only ones who had access to that area, also, a zoom-in wasn't being used on the camera.
I have never seen this before.
What do you think,are the sounds from floors impacting each other,or from explosions?
Do I have to say it?
To people trying to identify explosions - please, give it a rest. You are not members of CSI. You have no training in acoustics. You couldn't tell a balloon popping from a brick hitting the concrete with this cheap camcorder mounted microphone, let alone telling rubble collapse from an explosion. The sound levels are maxed out and you can't tell jack about it.
The Sound Does Indeed Appear To Be Blown Out Of Proportion
But, you fail to realize 1.) the cameraman was close close to the scene and 2.) sound traveling in a city environment has to go through, around, bounces off of the other buildings which tends to magnify the sound(s). A hollow echo sound is very possible.
And, as you said, "the cheap camcorder mounted microphone" may be a bit off-rocker as far as pick-up capabilities. I'll use it in my direction as well.
Good Question
I do lean strongly towards the explosive route. I can see where a person could, by this video, say that it was a "pancake collapse". Their study wouldn't have gone deep enough. The "pancake collapse" is a quick way to describe it and shrug it off.
Bear in mind a pancake
Bear in mind a pancake collapse can occur with explosives.
I prefer a pancake collapse
I prefer a pancake collapse with hot syrup.
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I was just getting ready to say, It "sounds" like there were a couple, maybe three floors that did "pancake collapse" through knowledge gathered from this video. The first two "bang slaps" of this video would be my guess.
Not sure I'd know what one would sound like, a "collapsing floor"!
I don't think I'd seen this one
Don't know where it's been or where it came from, but if it has not been doctored, what else could those sounds be?
We know the answer...
I'm over being shocked...
I'm just bored with being 'shocked' by the irrefutable evidence. It will just keep piling up. The problem is the mass psychological reaction of denial. THAT is the great challenge of the day.
yep
to admit it is to admit horrors no American can face.
Well, far too few Americans, anyway.....
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Since
the guy was around the firemen I'll presume for now that this is a part of the "firemen videos". Its my understanding that they have videos of their own.
New fireman footage of wtc7
http://www.livevideo.com/...
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This video, Firemen Report:
Explosive Testimony: Police and Firemen Report What Really Happened on 911
http://conspireality.tv/2...
Good chance you've seen the video of the firemen explaining the same thing in the Naudet Brothers film, youtube somewhere, etc.
At 4:28 minutes:
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
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EXPLOSIVE TESTIMONY! / MacQueen NYFD 9/11 witnesses
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
ask yourself why they keep cutting
the video short.
Whoever Was Doin' The Filmin'
was runnin' away, maybe the camera broke. Never caught my attention actually.
if its real, wow. possibly
if its real, wow. possibly not though, just playing the skeptic here but notice how noones voices are heard or there are any other sounds while the explosions are going off, then once theyre done you can hear general sound quite clearly. definitely worth more investigation though, if this is the real deal video then its BIG NEWS
You're 100% Free To Play The Skepic
I'm wonderin' about it myself. The sound seriously appears to be a perfect match to what was happening. I've been through it 50-60-70 times who knows, its impressive.
BUMP
Interesting video....
Reminds me of watching those three firemen describing the floors with detonators going pop,pop,pop....
WTF !
Was the sound dubbed in, or the real deal?
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Thats what I'm tryin' to figure out! Sound matches the explosions pretty well I'd say.
Did ya notice the "deep grunt" at the 8 -7 second mark.