Buy Palladium the other currency!!!
The average worldwide yearly production of Gold is around 1400 tons, while the average worldwide yearly production of Palladium is around 24 tons. Meaning that there is about 58 times more Gold produced each year than Palladium.
Earth's Crust contains 0.0011 p.p.m of Gold, whereas the Earth's Crust contains 0.0006 p.p.m of Palladium. Meaning that there is about 3 times more Gold than Palladium.
http://environmentalchemi...
For those people heavily invested in Gold, spend some of it to buy Palladium. For those who find Gold a little too expensive, buy an ounce of Palladium, the spot price is around $175 an ounce with an all time high of $1100.
Try getting physical possesion of Palladium and you will see that it is much more difficult to find than Gold. I'd say it is a wise thing to do.
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Is gold or isn't gold money.
Is gold or isn't gold money. Well, if it is money it needs to be spent, otherwise it is useless. Right now by spending gold a person could buy around 4 ounces of Palladium. That seems like a pretty good deal. As gold is spent on Palladium the price of Palladium rises relative to the price of gold. So there is no net loss.
grant
Could be the Age of Aquarius.
Palladium's only been around as money for little over 40 years. Many of us here have been around longer than that. Invest in Palladium as an alternative form of money from our generation.
grant
I agree.
How come when Gold or silver drops dramatically it's manipulation, but when Palladium dropped it was because of risky business. Speculators drove up the price of Palladium shortly after 9-11 knowing that automobile manufacturer needed it to produce cars. There is the risk in everything but even gold is risky.
grant
I know gold and silver tend to maintain buying power
I can get as much gas today with an ounce of silver as I could a year ago. I'm not saying you're wrong. I think you have to treat it as an investment with all the associated risk. When something fluctuates so wildly, you have to have a point where you get out. I'm going to see if I can get a few ounces and I'll sell it at $800, but my gold is going to my grandkids (unless I need it between now and then).
Tradition comes with time.
The price of Palladium went up so fast that it was forseeable that it would fall just as fast as other metals began to fall. Perhaps because there is little tradition to save it and pass it on to grandkids. But at some point as a currency it may gain people's interest. Remember gold and silver have been around as money for 1000's of years. Palladium has been money and a currency for around 40 years. It takes time, since many people probably still haven't even heard of it. But I would suggest it is a wise thing to do, since even the Queen of England has had coins minted from Palladium.
grant
you can actually get more
you can actually get more gas today with a silver dollar then you could 1 year ago!
before you sell any metals read this
http://www.kitco.com/ind/...
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
True. no so much with palladium though
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The fact that it has the
The fact that it has the potential to hit $900 should make it attractive. It is not only good for catalytic converters, you know? It is a currency and has many practical uses. For example in cars it converts Carbon monoxide into Carbon dioxide and the same application can be used if for changing carbon monoxide into carbon dioxide in coal burning plants. Carbon monoxide is a poison whereas carbon dioxide is what plants use and turn into water and wood.
grant
I hear ya. It's risky.
From $1100 an ounce to $175 in a few months is crazy. Like I said, it's either a huge win or a big loss. At this point, I think it would be a huge win. One question though: Isn't the powder version the only really useable version? I heard that once it has been made into a bar or coin, it loses any production value. Have you heard about this?
Palladium seems a little violatile
Imagine if you bought at $900 a while back? That would suuuck. Maybe it will go back up, maybe catalytic converters will be eliminated. This a very risky market that could either make you very rich or very sad.
If today is any indication Palladium is a fair investment
Brent US$ 44,74 down 2,72%
Gold US$ 773,80 down 5,06%
Silver US$ 9,69 down 6,29%
Platinum US$ 813,50 down 0,37%
PalladiumUS$ 179,50 up 0,28%
Real and fair money...
It is very possible that in the future Gold, Silver, Platinum and Palladium may become the foundation for world trade. Allowed to flutuate freely without being pegged to each other it would be a square and fair deal, unlike when silver and gold were pegged one to the other via the dollar.
I think the dollar has been much of the problem all along. Even when we had the Constitution running the country (way, way back) Congress was to coin money in gold and silver and regulate it's weight. Instead the vipers came up with the bi metal dollar scheme to try and get people to give up gold for silver, later only to give them paper. Had the two metals traded independent from one another the market would have established their relative values.
grant
G
I have no arguement, I happen to be a farmer as well. And gold and silver are probably the most prized store of wealth for farmers. But not everyone is a farmer. Some companies may need Palladium to produce hydrogen storage tanks. In this case they may even trade gold for the Palladium, who knows, silver or even Platinum. But in any case Palladium, like any commodity will probably go up in value when gold goes up in value. It may even go higher than the value of gold, since even with gold the price of commodities fluctuate, nobody knows what the future holds. I am just trying to get on top of the game. I have no idea what goes on behind closed door central bank meetings.
grant
Palladium has come a long way in a short time.
Palladium is relatively new to the currency market since it was only discovered in 1803.
In 1967, the South Pacific island nation of Tonga issued some palladium general circulation coins commemorating the coronation of King Taufa Ahau Tupou IV, perhaps the first issue using palladium. From 1987 to 1990, Portugal began issuing palladium proof coins as part of a series with other metals.
Also in 1987, France issued a 100 Franc palladium bullion proof coin featuring the bust of Lafayette. 1987 was a popular year for palladium bullion; the Isle of Man, an island kingdom in the Irish Sea, issued a palladium coin in commeroration of the bicentennial of the United States’ Constitution and featuring Queen Elizabeth II on the obverse and and on the reverse are 11 U.S. presidents encircling the Statue of Liberty. Please see the picture in the sidebar.
http://www.stillwaterpall...
Sorry meant to write 72
Sorry meant to write 72 weeks.
Here is an article about Ford's fuel cell technology.
http://www.ford.com/innov...
Buying Rare Earth Element miners
Acutally junior miners, who go find the stuff. The elements are used alot in the new electronics and electric cars. Either buy the minerals outright or look for the guys who mine them.
it's palladium
It doesn't seem very tradeable in a broken society. Will the guy with a water well or a farmer with wood and food want silver, gold or a rare metal that he knows nothing about?
For me, owning precious metals is not an investment, it is a self-insurance and store of tradeable value if and when times get tougher.
Food and land first
Over the past 72 months that I have been here at DailyPaul I have written many forums pointing out that food, seeds and land are first priorities. After of course God and friends.
I am just pointing out that Palladium in the short term looks very interesting as a currency and store of wealth. It is selling at a very good price relative to it's history.
As an investment it is appealling as well because of it's unique ability to store 900 times it's weight of Hydrogen, useful in fuel cell technology. So our buying Palladium will stimulate it's exploration by our driving up the price at first, and then over the long run as production increases the price will fall, which will then be a benefit for us when purchasing a car run on hydrogen.
Unlike gold, when the price goes up, production increases, but since it has little practical value it is usually only stored to keep the price high.
grant
You make a VERY GOOD Point Here
Food, Seed & Land buy 1st and Foremost. You again state about Palladium , "It is selling at a very good price relative to it's history." I believe the answer is the making and distribution of automobiles/catalytic converters as stated many threads below me. Would I buy palladium? I own only 20 Oz of Palladium for complete attempted diversification. Otherwise, No...I would not invest my hard earned money into Palladium at this place in time. It is of my honest opinion only that for every 20 oz of Silver that one may own, Then they should own 1 oz of Gold to be divested. If you or anyone is interested, I have 20 oz of palladium for sale .
How much are you asking for
How much are you asking for your Palladium. Perhaps you would be willing to trade your 20 ounces for my 1 ounce Ron Paul gold coin?
grant
Ummm...
No, Thanks I already own 4 Ron Paul Gold Liberty Coins, Those arenot for sale by the way... lol! No Palladium for me at this point in time, but what I willnot say is...will there come a time when palladium will be of necessity again soon? I will emphatically say, I donot know. What I can say emphatically is NO to palladium right now at least. Ok, I am out for today, must go to work. Enjoy ALL! :)
72 months
I didn't realize that the Daily Paul has been around since 2002.
When you are talking about tradeables, in a broken society,
the guy with the water, or the farmer with wood and food, won't want gold or silver, either.
They will want other usable tradeables, like clothing, gas for their tractor, or maybe even some booze !
what you forget is that most
what you forget is that most farmers will love to take gold and silver in trade. Most farmers already have large storage tanks for fuel, booze can be made at home very easily.. ever hear of moonshine? clothing is something that a farmer may need in time, so you are saying to buy clothes and store them to trade to a farmer? how do you know what size the farmer is that you are going to be trading with? what if he likes levis instead of lee jeans? trust me as a person who owns a farm I will take every gold coin and silver coin I can in exchange for my my black angus beef! I get a real kick out you telling me what I would want and don't want.. you do not have a clue!
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
I wasn't trying to tell YOU anything, sierra !
I'm well aware that you already know it all !
here's one reference - there are many more
"In 1980, when silver hit $50, there were gas stations in
every major city in America offering to swap a gallon of gas for a
silver dime."
http://www.goldprice.org/...
The article linked says "a dime for a total FILL-UP" !
Great story !
Got some more fairy-tale links ?
just wondering vlbc? how
just wondering vlbc? how old are you.. you don't remember those times in the 70's ? I was in my early teens, yes young but remember my parents and grandparents going through that time. I remeber seeing the long lines of cars at gas stations on the news. what he said above in that article did happen. it is not a fairy- tale. I also know for a fact that people with silver got pushed up to the front of the line! that also is no fairy-tale!
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
Don't you know how old I am, sierra ?
You know everything else !
$3.62 for a silver dime if silver is $50.00/0z.
food freedom,one seed at a time.
Gas was $0.45 per gallon,that would buy about 8 gallons.Most people never let their tanks get empty during that crisis.I worked at a gas staition during that time as the "cruise director" My job included telling the customers when the gas was all gone.Some got very irate,others would try and get something worked out with the people ahead in the line.
Not
There has never, in the history of civilization, been a society so broken that gold was not readily accepted as a medium of exchange. Here's why: barter is highly inefficient. As soon as it is feasible, civilized people will create money because it makes EVERYONE richer. Things like ammo and cigarettes are likely candidates. But gold and silver coins will also be used.
Gold is very good, never
Gold is very good, never said it wasn't. I am just opening up discussion about an alternative.
Personally I have a Ron Paul Liberty gold dollar one ounce coin and a few other gold coins as well as silver.
But in a crisis I wouldn't depend on these to save me.
Land is probably best.
Palladium however has some very interesting applications and so I hope we can share this information with others and they can make their own decisions.
grant
Interested
I'm interested just because I would like to hold an ounce of palladium in my hand. But it would not be my first choice as a candidate for a new currency. It just isn't well-known or trusted like gold and silver.
Palladium is already a
Palladium is already a currency, as is gold, silver and platinum. They are just not recognized as the currency of the U.S. government. Palladium has the ISO code of XPD 964
http://en.wikipedia.org/w...
http://en.wikipedia.org/w...
Ron Paul has suggested competing currencies for which Palladium is a very good and wise choice. Competing currencies allow for people to exchange for goods and services with whatever someone is willing to accept. Of course if you can get someone to accept paper, then pay in paper. In the mean time save the valuable stuff. Then if gold is in demand use gold. If fuel cells or some other use for Palladium drives up it's value, than spend Palladium to make your purchases.
By coincidence my DailyPaul user number is 964.
grant
Problem is, Acala,
the rich can buy what they want with gold and silver, by going down the food chain.
But Joe Six-pack ( most of the people here on this forum ), although today they may get a warm, fuzzy feeling from the ounce or 2 of gold, and the 5 or 10 ounces of silver that they have accumulated, won't last long if the SHTF !
i agree
I agree with what you are saying. But they are also not going to be able to store enough food for the duration. GD One lasted more than ten years. That is why I have traded my PMs for tools and materials needed to start a small business that will be vital to my community in a localized, primitive economy.
My advice:
Once you have stored enough supplies for a few months of survival (including some gold or silver coins), turn your attention to preparing to fit into a simplified, near-subsistence economy. Try to think of some good or service you can provide to people who are living in poverty and then acquire the skills, tools, and materials you will need to provide those goods or services. For example - learn to weld, get an oxy-acetylene system, and stock up on as many tanks of gas as you can afford. People will need repairs to metal goods. Or get a treadle sewing machine, a bunch of thread, needles, and fabric, and learn to make and mend clothing. Or learn how to make solar ovens and stock up on the needed materials that you will not be able to scavenge.
As you may already know I
As you may already know I have started one such community in Brazil, 1300 acres. Am starting to build a community center in February, God willing.
grant
Good Luck!
I wish you the best of luck!
Palladium is an investment for the wise.
The only disadvantage of gold compared to Palladium is that there is tons of it in reserves all over the world. Palladium is much more scarce and very difficult to get physical possession of. Comex can't cover Palladium if you call for delivery. There has been very little talk of Palladium eventhough it is rarer than gold, platinum and of course silver.
grant
Where is the best place to buy GOLD? See comments:
Citigroup says gold could rise above $2,000 next year as world unravels
Gold is poised for a dramatic surge and could blast through $2,000 an ounce by the end of next year as central banks flood the world's monetary system with liquidity, according to an internal client note from the US bank Citigroup.
Here is the link.
http://www.telegraph.co.u...
1st , Buy storagable
FOOD & FOOD SEEDS and H20, then Gold & Silver....and in that order...A real recommendation. I happen to purchase from www.apmex.com/ as I always get my metals when they say they will deliver them without any problems or drama. :)
Do the research.
The only way to find out if there is real demand is to go out and try buying Palladium. In my area of Michigan it is selling for $50 dollars above spot if you can find it.
Palladium is also used in fuel cells for storing hydrogen. The auto industry has already recieved $25 billion dollars to be used in alternative fuel research and development. It may be that the additional money they are begging for now will be tied to alternative fuel development, for which fuel cells are on the top of the list.
grant
From What I Know...
... Palladium is used a lot in automobile construction. If car sales continue to slump, then there's still a while for the price to drop, maybe? Looks like a good research topic.
What's that financial saying again? Oh yes, buy on the lows, sell on the highs :-)
I do believe it's used in catalytic converters...
and for a while, in some parts of the country, mine was one, people were just popping under cars and sawing the them off to sell at junkyards, and the scrap/junkyards places apparantly just blithely bought (52!) catalytic converters, sawed off, from just one guy/anybody.
I once read about these guys
I once read about these guys who had developed a type of street sweeper that would go around cleaning streets and while in the process could pick up trace amounts of palladium. The article talked about the number of ounces they found just by driving around.
I'll see if I can find that link as it was pretty interesting
Not the link I remember
Not the link I remember, but it's close
http://www.sciencedirect....