OT: Merry Christmas!
Posted December 3rd, 2008 by acmegeek
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Yes it is quite off topic... but as a little break from all the politicking... check out:
We're just trying to help keep "political correctness" from completely destroying the true meaning of this Christmas season. A season of hope, peace, and good will. Please spread this to your friend, family, etc...
Merry Christmas!
acmegeek
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Bahhh Hum bug pass the eggnog make it a double and don't
put any egg in it !!
~Mikael / Peace, love, Light and unity ~
And a....
Happy Chanukkah to you!
Chappy Chanukah to you, too!
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I hate xmas!
You can keep the pagan holiday. I wana get back to biblical christianity. There ain't no hope in the pope!
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Give pagans back their winter solstice!
"In northern Europe, many other traditions that we now consider part of Christian worship were begun long before the participants had ever heard of Christ. The pagans of northern Europe celebrated the their own winter solstice, known as Yule. Yule was symbolic of the pagan Sun God, Mithras, being born, and was observed on the shortest day of the year. As the Sun God grew and matured, the days became longer and warmer. It was customary to light a candle to encourage Mithras, and the sun, to reappear next year.
Huge Yule logs were burned in honor of the sun. The word Yule itself means “wheel,” the wheel being a pagan symbol for the sun. Mistletoe was considered a sacred plant, and the custom of kissing under the mistletoe began as a fertility ritual. Hollyberries were thought to be a food of the gods.
The tree is the one symbol that unites almost all the northern European winter solstices. Live evergreen trees were often brought into homes during the harsh winters as a reminder to inhabitants that soon their crops would grow again. Evergreen boughs were sometimes carried as totems of good luck and were often present at weddings, representing fertility. The Druids used the tree as a religious symbol, holding their sacred ceremonies while surrounding and worshipping huge trees.
In 350, Pope Julius I declared that Christ’s birth would be celebrated on December 25. There is little doubt that he was trying to make it as painless as possible for pagan Romans (who remained a majority at that time) to convert to Christianity. The new religion went down a bit easier, knowing that their feasts would not be taken away from them."
great post
education much better than in official schools.
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Wow
Another essay about the relationship between Christmas symbols and the pagan symbols of ore. Wonder how many of these we will read this Christmas season? I could care less what the pagans were doing 2,000 years ago with trees, candles, mistletoe, evergreens, etc. And if there are any druids still around I could care less what they do with them now.
I use them to make my home smell great and look festive during the Christmas holiday and celebration of Christ's birth. I know what they mean to me. Customs change, people change and symbols change. Every person is free to identify with and relate to "symbols" as they choose in their own personal lives.
I care about the pagans.
They were the ancestors of many DPers and their history and customs (medicine) have been wiped-clean by the Christians. If you have European blood, you should be interested in the customs of your people's past. Doesn't mean you have to believe but to dismiss one's history is mind-baffling.
The "church" should remove it's propaganda. The winter solstice was celebrated (and still is), far longer than an unrelated birthday.
And, no, I'm not pagan. I am proud of my ancestry as an indigenous European.
Well I am a Christian, and knew about the above
history of the holidays, and have hated Christmas, still do. Bah humbug. I am also of European ancestry, and agree it is good to know of those customs of one's ancestors, but I am not going to celebrate pagan customs anyway.
Why would you celebrate them?
That doesn't make any sense.
What doesn't make sense?
That I dislike the pagan celebrations that are supposedly connected to Christ? I don't, as they aren't Christian. I was agreeing with you about the fact that they are not Christian celebrations.
You're just complaining about the Christians
and "Christmas" which was the underlying purpose of your original post (not really a "history" lesson about one's European ancestors at all)
If someone mentions Jesus, Christ, or Christians on DP...you get almost rabid. But thanks for being so much more open and honest about your real motives the second time around. May I suggest that you celebrate whatever, however, whenever, and with whom you wish - and stop complaining about how, when or what other people celebrate.
Isn't that what freedom is all about?
You assume too much.
Christmas isn't a Christian holiday, so I'm not sure what you're celebrating?
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Wikipedia -
Christmas - an annual holiday celebrated on December 25 that marks and honors the birth of Jesus of Nazareth.
PS - I'm not assuming anything...I know.
Why can't you just enjoy your own celebrations without resenting an other's?
Love this thread
even being all over from Buddhism New Age Sufi.....love wisdom wherever its found.
one day a Sufi mystic was asked "to what religion you belong? well I will answer this question when you tell me to what religion God belongs"
*peace & Merry Christmas*
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Thanks! The way I like to
Thanks!
The way I like to think of it is that religion is just man's way to reach God, and by such a definition, will always fall short. As a Christian, I believe that Jesus offered the opposite, God's way to reach mankind.
So to follow that, it really isn't too useful to ask to what religion someone belongs, but instead ask what they believe as far as their relationship to God. Religion inevitably degrades to just be about rules, regulations, and bureaucracy.
So again, I wish all of you a very Peaceful, Hopeful, and Merry Christmas!