Timothy McVeigh = Constitutionalist???

Research the event, find out what the experts on the scene had to say before the pre-planned spin went into effect, and ask who benefitted the most from what happened.

What happened there in OK was a false flag attack.

I used to get in arguments with people who insisted the fact Timothy McVeigh existed was proof we Ron Paul supporters were all a bunch of terrorists. Even Glenn Beck compared him to us. Thanks for bringing this up.

I have been involved in the patriot movement for over 20 years. It is what made the revolution today possible by disseminating a lot of information over decades.

I have heard similar statements by hundreds if not thousands over the years and only one guy blew up a federal building. Worrying about this is akin to the enemies of freedom using some idiot shooting to promote gun control because look what said idiot did and he said similar things as millions of others are saying.

It's guilt by association and it leftist BS!

The vast majority of true patriots do not want a shooting war and will only resort to it as a last resort or we would have had several significant incidents by now. They see what's going on and are preparing for the worst and hoping for the best.

Things have been escalating and people are wondering if we will have to resort to it and let's face it the Founders put the second in the constitution precisely as a warning to government. So how about we stop pretending that it is not an option even if it is a last resort...

McViegh was likely an unwitting shill anyway, but even if he wasn't still he was just the lone nut if nothing else.

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would have never followed through with anything if he hadn't been set up, prodded, and pushed by our own lovely government forces. He was "in love" and found himself living with a "family" that was led by a narc. His "love" was also on the government payroll.

The moral of the story is.... people have thoughts, and people have passions, but if it takes undercover government action to get them to act...then the government itself is guilty of treason. But people won't know nor remember these facts...they will just remember that people who love the constitution and the US that our forefathers gave us...are kooks who will blow up buildings, so therefore we should have thought crimes.

The FIRST World Trade Center bombings were completely in the hands of our beloved government associates...and no one cares about that either. Dumb Americans only remember the poor saps who got swindled by our own government....they are terrorist..unlike our beloved CIA and FBI who are a hundred times more guilty than the numbnutz carrying out the attacks.

The inconsistencies in the Oklahoma City bombing are just as suspicious as the WTC.

McVeigh may have been a deep cover COINTELPRO. In any event, we are spinning our wheels at this site. We need to keep the heat on politicians, not each other.

The assassination of William McKinley took place on September 6, 1901, at the Temple of Music, in Buffalo, New York. President William McKinley, attending the Pan-American Exposition, was shot twice by Leon Czolgosz, an anarchist. McKinley died eight days later, on September 14.
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Czolgosz was never known to be accepted into any anarchist group. Indeed, his fanaticism and comments about violence aroused anarchists' suspicions; some even thought he might have been a covert government agent.

I am not defending him,just telling you that all we know is what we were told by the MSM.
If the Feds. would release the footage from approx. 12 different cameras showing the precise area where it took place then we might have a better idea.
One thing I feel sure of, is that his name will be used to demonize Constitutionalists around the country.

Hijacked an airplane full of K-street lobbyists and flew it into some NY Wallstreet firm full of professional, national thieves, would he be so detestable as the Texan that shot the robbers of his neighbor's house after calling 911?

In Ron Paul's revolution, Paul notes 911 was detestable, but (IIRC) 'what do you expect if you stomp in a pit of vipers'?

"Don't tread on us"!!!

witness more explosive devices inside the building that malfuntioned, then MCVEIGH was a patsy.

Look up the firemen eye witness accounts of the rescue operation.

Timothy McVeigh = patsy. The Oklahoma bombing was an excuse for Patriot Act type legislation. Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately) the house republicans at the time refused to give in to restricting our civil liberties in the name of safety against terrorists. Unfortunately (for real), the 911 "attacks" caused the house republicans to be willing the pass the exact same legislation for a republican president, with the exception of Ron Paul (of course!) and five other republican congresspeople, and God bless them for their lack of party loyalty.

to take out the innocent is what set him apart from all of us. It was satisfying to see due retaliation for Waco but the sacrifice of innocent life negated any merit to his motivations. If, on the other hand, McVeigh was neither causative nor complicit in what could have been an inside job, that should serve warning to us to beware of agents provocateur who might try to set *us* up as patsies useful in NWO schemes.

Heed the call to *arm* but be very wary of the Call to Arms.

McVeigh =Patsy Inside job by the Govt. Do your research before you start these stupid fucking threads......................

and to top it off you are quoting wiki???? WTF

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I can't believe somebody here doesn't know all of the McVeigh
crazy "conspiracy" stuff!...

The strangest thing to me is that they executed him so quickly...
it seems so likely that he knew more information...I'm not one
to jump on to conspiracy theories, but it is known that the gov't
had infultrated the fundamentalist compound where McVeigh
visited.

I honestly wonder if it was a case where they (cia) tried
to insite this fundamentalist/militia group...and they actually
did it before they could stop them.

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I never knew that about McVeigh. I try not to read too much into Liberty and anti-government literature. It just makes me mad and there is nothing we can do.

Obama said recently that the terrorists have a demented ideology about the world. I'm sure he would say the same about liberty lovers and anti-NWO supporters. We're the nutcases because of people who use viloence to make a point. Terrorists are pretty stupid to think that the point of liberty will get across. MSM never gives the motives of terrorists, so the masses are left thinking that they are sick and f**ked up in the head, which they are for killing innocent people.

my friend defended one of the nichols brothers...the only one who got off...im awaiting his responce to this thread. He put the Government on trial and they dropped charges.

do you think it was an inside job?
I emailed this to a friend who ...well lets say was very close to the fire on this one, we will see what he says....

will bring disrepute to this site. Whatever your motives are McVeigh was an idiot who didn't have the intelligence to research his target and anyone bringing his deeds into our discourse is an even bigger one.

Frankly, you risk further alienating visitors to this site and also sending up red flags on everyone who visits here by making such an inflammatory suggestion.

McVeigh was a delusional soldier turned delusional monster when it came down to it. He's not worth quoting or associating with.
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No blood needed to be shed in order to gain our goals. We still have time to save our republic and violence will not help advance our cause. In fact, violence is against the very principles of libertarian action.

Non-violent civil disobedience is our most vocal point of action, but education, recruitment, and advancement of the message of libertarian message through the current political mechanisms available to us is where we will have our most dramatic impact.

Even with the blackout by Ron Paul's own Republican party, the cause is spreading. Delegates and leaders of the local level GOP party are being taken over by the r3volution. Courts are allowing for those of us who played by the rules remain in the party and it is encouraging others to get involved now rather than wait till the next election comes around.

This is the time to take advantage of the fair-weather republicans that are now back to their FOXNews, American Idol, and other nonsenses of the talking box. We can keep the r3volution going by our efforts and will be laying the groundwork to win. We will come out the winners as we now know the truth.

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you know, on camera, he said something to the effect of "i'm just a part of a larger plot"

i can['t remember now, but it became pretty clear to me that he was saying he was just a patsy.

I think he was under mind control and threats. Now I sound nuts, but it comes with the territory.

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Research it!

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I'm pretty much neutral and take things as they come. I try not to stress so much and remain patient. If you become irrational or emotionally wrapped up in this mess, you lose the ability to think both tactically and strategically.

McVeigh may have been a constitutionalist, or it may be a contrived slander after the fact to make us look crazy, who knows.. Frankly I don't care either way.

What I do know is that I foresee this one turning into a huge debate like so many other things on the forum. Was he or wasn't he? Then of course the conspiracy aspects on the issue will come out shortly I imagine.

The act that occurred was horrific, I agree. But I am afraid this will soon turn into a heated debate over who is right. Thought provoking post though, thanks.

That's all I need to know.

Ted Kacinsky=
Lee Harvey Oswald=
Sirhan Sirhan=
MKULTRA=
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