Democrats sound much different on the torture issue now
Thursday Dec. 4, 2008 05:44 EST
Why do Feinstein and Wyden sound much different on the torture issue now?
Glenn Greenwald
Time constraints prevented me yesterday from writing about Dianne Feinstein's comments concerning torture in yesterday's New York Times, in which the California Senator -- who will replace Jay Rockefeller as Chairperson of the Senate Intelligence Committee -- rather clearly backtracked on what had been her repeated, unequivocal insistence throughout the year that the CIA should be required to comply with the Army Field Manual when interrogating detainees. But Time's Michael Scherer picked up on the same backtracking and did a very good job of highlighting what appears to be Feinstein's (as well as Ron Wyden's) conspicuous, and rather disturbing, reversals.
But it's actually somewhat worse even than Scherer suggests. According to Mark Mazzetti and Scott Shane, who wrote the article, Feinstein and Wyden are just two of the "senior Democratic lawmakers" who have "seemed reluctant in recent interviews to commit the new administration to following the Army Field Manual in all cases" -- despite the fact that both Feinstein and Wyden said throughout the year that they emphatically favored such a measure and even co-sponsored legislation requiring it.
From the Times article: "in an interview on Tuesday, Mrs. Feinstein indicated that extreme cases might call for flexibility." And: "'I think that you have to use the noncoercive standard to the greatest extent possible,' she said, raising the possibility that an imminent terrorist threat might require special measures." Wyden's comments were even worse:
Senator Ron Wyden of Oregon, another top Democrat on the Intelligence Committee, said he would consult with the C.I.A. and approve interrogation techniques that went beyond the Army Field Manual as long as they were “legal, humane and noncoercive.” But Mr. Wyden declined to say whether C.I.A. techniques ought to be made public.
What makes this so notable is that, for the last year, Feinstein and Wyden were both insistent that the only way to end torture and restore America's standing in the world was to require CIA compliance with the Army Field Manual -- period. But as long as George Bush was President, it was cheap and easy for Feinstein and Wyden to argue that, because they knew there was no chance it would ever happen. As they well knew, they lacked the votes to override Bush's inevitable veto of any such legislation. So as long as Bush was President, it was all just posturing, strutting around demanding absolute anti-torture legislation they knew would never pass.
But that has all changed now. Although Obama's top intelligence adviser, John Brennan, has questioned whether it was necessary or wise to do so, Obama himself said repeatedly and unequivocally during the campaign that he supports legislation to compel CIA compliance with the Army Field Manual, making it virtually impossible for him to veto any such legislation if Congress passes it. Thus, Senate Democrats now know that if they pass the law they claimed so vehemently to support, it would actually get enacted.
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Just to prove our point that
Just to prove our point that both parties are corrupt crooks. Luckily, you have a few principled Democrats and Republicans that give the NeWoCrats and NeWoCans massive headaches.
535 congressmen...
...no balls.
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Oh, please
Just don't get me started on Franken ... eeh, Feinstein.
Torture will not get you the truth
It will get you what you want to hear.
they (The Demmicans and the Republocrats) are...
just two wings of the NWO bird flying all to Helena Handbasket.
Libera me, let the truth break, what my fears make--Leslie Phillips
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Sort of like Conyers'
Sort of like Conyers' dedication to Impeaching Bush and Cheney, circa 2007, eh? Complete 180 turnaround, as soon as there's a remote possibility it can happen.
These cheap New World Order prostitutes always sound libertarian when their party isn't in control.
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Wow I am just so shocked...
Wow I am just so shocked... ;-p
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two wings
Yes, two wings from the same bird of prey. It's set up so every four years we can "throw the bums out", while they really stay in power.
Time to get involved and get elected. Each of us to a local seat.
"I have said repeatedly
"I have said repeatedly that America doesn't torture..." -Barack Obama
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"An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it. Truth stands, even if there be no public support. It is self sustained." -Mahatma Gandhi
Well, that didn't take long.
He isn't even inaugurated yet, and the Democrats are already throwing civil liberties down the memory hole.
Are you paying any attention, MS. WOLF..?
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Ditto!
Debbie
The silence from Ms. Wolf since the election...
...has been deafening.
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A Loud Silence
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The thought of
people being tortured by Americans is unnerving to me. That is just unAmerican.
You're right,
they're UN-Americans!
Remember how anti-Bush and
Remember how anti-Bush and anti-Iraq Pelosi was before she was nominated as Speaker? And then once she got nominated, you didn't hear a peep out of her? Same thing.
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Color me suprised! NOT!
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The begining of a long 4 years of
The begining of a long 4 years of hypocrisy. Democrats are already forgiving the same qualities in their so-called leaders, that they were just complaining about for the last 8 years.
Does anyone thing that this time the sheeple will finally start
to realize they have been scammed AGAIN??