Can Paulists help this Soldier seeking Asylum in Germany?

for your comments and advice. Due to various good and bad reasons, I cannot be online during this week as often as usual. I will come back to the matter next week-end and look whom to contact.

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Dr. Paul's (and Bob Barr's) legal adviser, he was with the Heritage Foundation earlier, served under Reagan and now with the American Freedom Agenda.
http://www.americanfreedo...
Of course he also spoke at the Rally for the Republic and when you search in youtube, you will find several videos of him, including speaking at leftwing antiwar Cindy Sheehan's meeting:
http://www.youtube.com/wa...

he also has international experience and worked on the drafting of the constitition of a few countries.

He supports impeachment against Bush since quite a while.

Colognepaulist: Ich denke Fein waere die geegneste Person zu kontaktieren. Er koennte auch jeden Fall gute Ratschlaege geben und hat moeglicherweise auch darueber publiziert?

The constitutionality of the War in Iraq is not germane to this man's situation. He's seeking asylum, and arguing that the war in Iraq is a violation of international law. U.S. Constitutional Law and International Law have nothing to do with each other, and a German Court has absolutely no interest in the former. From a practical level, this case is going to go nowhere. Germany is home to the largest US overseas military bases in the world. Germany values those bases, and would never do anything to risk losing them. If they establish the precedent that every US Soldier who steps foot on German soil has the right to asylum, they'd not only be opening the floodgates to a bunch of immigrants they don't want, they'd also force the US government to move the bases currently in Germany to Eastern Europe. If Germany wanted the US out of Germany, they'd kick them out themselves, and not have to deal with a bunch of US soldier immigrants they don't want.

Also, hard to sympathize with a guy who joined the Army in 2004 (after 9/11, after the Patriot Act, after weapons of mass destruction proven false, after Abu Ghraib) and is just now getting around to figuring out he has moral objections to the war.

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how about starting an organization in Germany based around this subject.
It would get a lot of media attention...White Rose could really take off...

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I will be forever grateful to Ron Paul for bringing this up during the Values Voter's debate. Another subject that thankfully will NOT go away!

a little more on the subject here:
http://www.ronpaulnewengl...

remember the World's Universal soldier

Fellowship of the White Rose

of the U.S. Constitution clearly states,

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
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For those who don't know what a Letter of Marque is here is the wikipedia definition. http://en.wikipedia.org/w... and Reprisal http://en.wikipedia.org/w....

It does not say anything about the President being able to declare war. Only congress can do that. Congress hasn't declared a war against another nation since WWII and ironically we really haven't won any of the wars since then.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Benjamin Franklin

"A free people ought to be armed." George Washington

"...but let it not be said that we did nothing." Ron Paul

Hope that helps.

Zeus1375
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Imagine.............. the shock waves.

Now we’re talk’n !

"Stopping war one soldier at a time."

[ From The Quickening thread: http://www.dailypaul.com/... page 2 ] :

CUT TO THE QUICK
On April 18th, 2008 LibBerte says:
Remember Ron Paul's eloquent admonition in the New Hampshire Debate that our nation has now rejected the Just War Doctrine that goes back to St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas. He was urging we once again embrace an appreciation of Natural Rights Theory and an understanding of Higher Law. (The Pope’s visit should be an occasion for many Catholics and other Christians, who still retain allegiance to neoconservatism, to reflect on how deeply in need we are of an understanding of the philosophical basis for the best of our western traditions. See : Neo-Conned: Just War Principles: A Condemnation of War in Iraq: also Neo-Conned Again, Vol. 2 ).

This discussion invites that we explore the Higher Law underpinnings of our country’s Constitutional heritage. The Founders well appreciated it as Natural to understand there is Law, Higher and Morally binding, which is Transcendent of temporal declarations in codes, rules or other governmental impositions.
See :
http://www.worldandi.com/...

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See also:
http://www.democracynow.o...

A list of few good general resources ( supporting conscientious objection, primarily on religious grounds ):

http://www.objector.org/

http://www.centeronconsci...

http://www.thewitness.org...

This reminds me somewhat of the Michael New case ( refusal to wear UN uniform from the Clinton era). The more recent Delgado case may have developed some precedence, though I expect it was resolved to avoid that.

http://www.democracynow.o...

I will help. Please put me in the loop.

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http://www.dailypaul.com/...

so far.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/h...
If the Iraq Operation is a violation of BOTH the US Constitution AND the UN Charter, it is clearly a "crime against humanity".

must be aware of this so they don't think that just Canada is an option.
We have at least 250 Awol troops here in Canada and the sad part is that one of those was already deported back to states and is serving a prison sentence 13 months .

*peace patriot*

http://www.votenader.org/...
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would be a good place to start!

http://www.veteransforpea...

http://ivaw.org/

P.S.Nice to see you! I haven't been on here much lately and am on my way out but will try to email you later!!

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