Russian Professor Predicts End of U.S. (WSJ)

but i dont think we will break up. they are talking about a new currency, and i think they are going to do that when or before the dollar collapses. i think the western nations will become sorta like the united states(several states held together by a centeral govt)and china, russia, and a few others will join together. just my observation, which doesnt mean much. we will see. i really hope im wrong, i would like to stay soveriegn.

"The state is the great myth where everyone tries to live at the expense of everyone else." - Frederic Bastiat

and therefore, it isn't a CHOICE as to which states would belong to which country--it depends on which country holds the mortgage on the lands within the state.

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I agree that the U.S. is headed for the breakers, but I don't think it will re-form according to the map the gentleman has put forward.

I don't know what will happen in 2010, but I don't think it will be particularly joyous.

This article is contradictory to previous articles where Russian professors have predicted great things for America.

Right...Like Tn. would want anything to do with states above WV. LOL!

During racial unrest in America, the predictions were that the West South-West was going to be independent Mexican, the Central, Mid-West and East white and the South Black.

As far as buying you a beer, we are not the ones getting compensated by advertisers for "hits" on your web site. You should be buying us beers. Remember, some of us ain't sheeple ;)

Have you guys ever seen the other map? It's got only California, Oregon, and Washington as 1 country. I been trying to find it and the article it was in.

Alaskans wanting to live under Russia instead of the USA?! He might as well add to his prediction that Russia's government is going to ditch communism and fully embrace complete free market capitalism by then too.
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It's obviously gone to his head.

the economic predicitons for the usa coming out of europe are... a loss of 1 million jobs PER month. by the end of 2009... the usa will be worse off than in the great depression years.

now factor in the environmental predictions for 2010...

i could see the break up of the usa in 2011. but due to the natural disasters world wide ... i don't see there being influence from other countries other than the ones on this continent.

given what's coming down the pipeline ... i imagine there will be a HUGE influx of mexicans into the usa and americans into canada... as it is seen now ... this would likely occur late 2010.

Before I live under the rule of a foreign country. Globalists might want it, but they ain't gonna get our sovereignty. You know why? Cause only we can give it away.

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The idea that the country will break up along state lines is a little elementary, but I think he meant that as a rough guide. The events leading up to such an event will mean massive movements of people....possibly by ethnicity, into certain areas of the country. I think it's more likely that a country would swoop in a gain control of most of the country, rather than several countries taking a piece. That just wouldn't work.

However, I agree that a totalitarian government is much more likely.

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They could have at least put SC NC and Ten with the blue part...
South Carolina be part of the europeen nation I like to see That !

Im Canadian but I can tell you these people are way off in there understanding of the US

These are scary! Jefferson was a smart man (prophet)! BJ

Have we arrived at the destination Jefferson warned us about?

Jefferson in some cases could be called a prophet.

When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall
become as corrupt as Europe.
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The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are
willing to work and give to those who would not.
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It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A
principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.
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I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government
from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of
them.
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My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too
much government.
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No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
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The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear
arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in
government.
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The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of
patriots and tyrants.
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To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which
he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
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Very Interesting Quote

In light of the present financial crisis, it's interesting to read what
Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:

'I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties
than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to
control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation,
the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive
the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the
continent their fathers conquered.'

know how to contact Farah? It may be a great opportunity to connect him with the Continental Congress group that is planning to convene in Philly.

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A lot of responses here are in the spirit of our resistance. The point being made in the article is centered around what power is going to "buy" the US assets when we are dissolved as a Federal State.

There are over 100 Trillion USD$$ in financially engineered products floating around the globe (this is about the only product we can export for a profit). The owners of these debts (assets) are getting anxious and are going to call in their loans. When they do and we cannot pay, they will hopefully allow substitution of our hard assets: our factories, agriculture lands, homes, malls, power plants, cement plants, vehicles, etc.

This map just represents a methodology where the new owners of our assets may reach agreement in order to receive some kind of return on their investment. While we think we can "militia" our way out of this, given today's geopolitical realities, I think the best we can hope for is to be bought out by a reasonably benevolent power.

I think we all forget that we don't "make" anything in this country anymore. Our resistance may last a few weeks, but when the lights go out and millions have to feed their families and provide heat for their homes, the masses, small businesses, and corporations will be lining up to be sold (debts forgiven) to the highest bidder.

I hope my assessment is wrong, but I have yet to see anyone in our government address the loss of these ponzi investments that will continue to be unraveled around the globe. Our citizenry will never have enough capacity to pay for these financially engineered debts.

I posted this on a parallel thread on the same topic:

In the 1990's a book called "Civil War Two" presented a similar analysis. The author looked at demographics around the world where there are genocidal conflicts and assessed the US along those lines. His thinking is that the US could break up into three separate countries and that ethnicity will play a major role.

He sees the Southwest as being claimed as a Northern province of Mexico and the South coming under pressure to split as a predominately black populated nation, while the rest of the nation remaining under the control of those of European descent. He presents no timetable, but gives way points to watch.

Also, in "The Fourth Turning" predictions of the current crisis to be followed by a nation threatening conflict are fit into a long cyclical pattern of history. 1776, 1861, 1941, and 2020 are equivalent points in time in the patterns they analyze. Two of the last three cycles resulted in civil conflict, and the conditions are now prime for a repeat.

My own thinking is that we face an extraordinary future. I think the end of the industrial age for want of energy to fuel it will cause a major economic contraction. The "house of cards monetary system" which is now collapsing, I think was shaken by our arrival at peak oil production and related increased energy cost. We will have economic contraction from the shock of that collapse, but when the economy attempts to restart it will not be able to expand from energy constraints. A future with a constantly shrinking economic pie will cause all sorts of civil disorder. Up to this point, our rulers have been able to intrude into the free markets and rig the economy in favor of government and the privileged few at the expense of the many, because the expanding pie allowed for small improvements in the living standard of the average man. As the suffering increases, the inequities from the controlled economy will become more evident, but those in power are highly unlikely to restore freedom to economic activity, so conflict will erupt. The pain from revolution will be less than the pain from going along and the forces of nature will propel us into a fight amongst ourselves for survival.

It may not seem this minute that revolution would be worth the pain, but consider that when half the population is unemployed with little hope for work, people are homeless, cold, hungry and sick, then they will have little to lose by fighting back, and that is just not that far into the future.

Along with ALL the Socialists: Pelosi, Clintons, Biden, Kennedy, Bernanke and his Federal Reserve, Paulson and his Treasury, Bush, GM, Chrysler, McCain, two thirds of Congress, CFR, etc.

Anyone else catch this?

"the Kremlin's English-language propaganda channel, Russia Today"

LOL! The Wall Street Journal calling other media propaganda. Say what you want about the Russian media, but I'm positive I've caught more Ron Paul articles on Russia Today than on the Wall Street Journal!

Prof Panarin's premise has merit but his conclusions suffer from Euro and Russo -centrism.

At roughly a hundred million strong, and dug in (advantage defenders) the likelihood of the American militia allowing Europe, Asia, and Los Estados Unidos Mexicanos to divvy up the formerly united States approaches zero.

The most probable part of his scenario is his vision of a greater Aztlan, which, rather than being ridiculously microscopic is merely laughably small. Most of the people who left Mexico did so for a reason.

The more plausible danger from a balkanized Anglo-America is the emergence of a christofascist redneck theocracy arising from the heartland. (Important disclaimer, I'm not fearing the redneck portion of that scenario.)

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This is bulls***t. This cookie cutter scenario is not gonna happen. We WILL be the United Fascist States of Ameroland, however.

that can help our movement and ourselves get tossed. I emailed Michael about wanting to be a help to him on this site with no response (fairness to him, that was probably yesterday). Well, I withdraw that one Mikey. Sensorship and those that choose sensors are BS as well.

They are fighting a war of attrition against demographics. With a 25% alcoholism rate and having more Russian babies aborted than actually born, there won't be as many Russians around after the next couple of generations to envy their neighboring countries. Russian leaders know this, which is one reason why they issue passports to people in neighboring countries, and fight for them when they get bullied (Georgia being the most recent example). Straight from the imperial playbook.

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Color me "unpatriotic toward the blessed Union", but I hope half his predictions are true.

However, his "Texas Republic" that encompasses the Deep South (?) and somehow ends up under Mexican control is sort of laughable. Texans control Mexico, economically, not the other way around, and Texans will never submit to "Aztlan". California, perhaps....not Texas.

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I'm really getting tired of this website, I can't stand things like these which will never happen.

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Each independent.

Tracy

I just don't see Americans fighting Americans. We will turn our anger on the people responsible. I think that will be the leaders, the politicians. No former politician will be safe in this country when the "cookie" crumbles. I think if more of them undrstood that now they might not vote the way they do. (Unless they have already got that mansion in Dubai or that farm in Paraguay bought and paid for...and a quick flight out!)

If our worst fears are recognized and we are forced to fight to survive, I truly believe we will not fight other Americans. We will band together. As for the politicians and anyone else who stands against us, may God have mercy on their soul!

I do take issue with the arbitrary "border" lines that the Russian gentleman has proposed. I think 50 State militias will see that 50 State's sovereign rights with rule each of their lands. They will, once again, have leaders chosen by, and for, the people. (Or they will not stand.)

If this Country, as a whole, does fall the big winners will be all 50 States, individually! We will rebuild together from the ground up.

O Captain, My Captain, rise up and hear the bells!

...it's pretty damned funny, actually. So Cal and Arizona part of China? I think all the resident Hispanics just MIGHT prefer to be a part of Mexico, instead. Nevada and Utah part of China? I bet the Mormons would have something to say about that. Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia and Florida part of Mexico? Sorry, I've lived in that area, and I just don't see that happening. Tennessee and Kentucky part of the EU? Too funny! This guy really DOESN'T have a clue, does he...?

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This is not the only map he's put out regarding discussions of the collapse. A previous one just had Wa, Or, and Ca under Chinese influence. That map was more realistic, because China has very little influence in Idaho and states immediately south and east of it.

Area's where I think Panarin is wrong:

Alaska going back to Russia - Dream on buddy!

Different parts of the country going to different overseas countries. - I think he underestimates the American People. When pushed, we will not accept foreign rule over us or dictatorship. We will kill to be free. We did it once. We will do it again if they try forcing foreign rule or a dictatorship on us.

Idaho going to China - If that happens there won't be any chinese alive in Idaho, Period! Only rotting corpses. Don't believe me? Um, have you been to Idaho Mr. Panarin? (btw, I love Idaho. Gorgeous state. I vacationed there last summer and I had a wonderful time).

Area's where I think Panarin is right:

A break-up of the US could happen. 1 of the tipping points he's been mentioning is multiculturalism ripping apart the fabric that unifies us. Amnesty will bring in 20-30 million new socialist voters. That would forever kill our chances of restoring the constitution and fixing our country by participating in the political process. After amnesty, no amount of taking back the repub party will matter, period! So what? let's say we do it ok? We will still be drastically outnumbered by big gov't socialists. This leads to my next point.

Civil war. Panarin has talked about that as being 1 of the things to look for in a collapse of the US. When the citizens realize they can't achieve peace, prosperity, and freedom through participating in the political process because the people who control every aspect of that process are too corrupt and too entrenched they will fight, especially if they are hungry.

In closing, I'm no Panarin fanboy. The guy hates America. However, you should listen to him. There are parts of what he has been saying recently that do make a lot of sense.