
Freedom's Bulwark: CAPITALISM! (Republicae)
What is free market capitalism? It is certainly nothing like what we witness today which resembles more of an official corporatism than actual capitalism. The first principle of capitalism is the Right of Private Property; it is the foundation, in fact of all other Rights, for without it the individual is at the mercy of superior power.
Capitalism, under a truly free market economy, rest upon the foundation that the individual holds complete and absolute ownership Rights over his person and from that ownership flows the Right of Private Property. Each of us is our own Private Property and the government holds no title to any portion of our persons or our property. Under a system of free market capitalism each person is free to create the world in which he lives, along with that freedom however, comes the responsibility of the world you create for yourself.
Any form of intervention, whether it be from the government or any other force is contrary to the most basic principles from which capitalism is structured. Any initiation against these principles is aggression, whether it is achieved through actual physical force or even the coercive threat of force or penalty. The system of free market capitalism is a totally based on the voluntary actions of each member of society in mutually beneficial relationships to provide the greatest return on the energy exerted by both parties involved in any given transaction. Capitalism is not dog eat dog, quite the contrary, it is a mutually beneficial contract of action and exchange.
Since the 1860’s, we have been living under a gradual system of official corporatism, it has grown to the point that capitalism, as we see, is nothing more than a by-word, a catch-all for the problems that the government and its corporate privileged class. Indeed, there has been a very real and powerful “Caste System” that has been created through this Socialistic Corporatism that this government has coddled through the years. It Must End!
There is but one legitimate means for any individual, or company or corporation to accomplish the goals of prosperity and that is through the economic free market principles of capitalism, which both supports and is supported by the sound foundational principle of Individual Liberty!
The secret of prosperity is to provide the greatest value to your own individual activities so you can, in turn, place the greatest value on the activities of others. These cooperative and voluntary relationships induce productive gains for all parties concerned, and it is the working gears of the free market exchange.
I firmly believe that all men [generically speaking] are created equal, but that opportunity is an individual initiative which requires complete responsibility for ones actions and the consequences of those actions. A person can become adept in wisdom, and just in his dealings with others, especially in business or on the job, when he is able to judge his own behavior in an honest way based solely upon his the responsibility he takes for his own actions. It is sobering indeed to see yourself reflected in the mirror of self-ownership.
Additionally, I also believe that free market capitalism is the instrument that would provide each of us an environment to develop virtues that cannot be possible under any other economic system. I say that because, contrary to the common portrayal of free-market capitalism, it can allow the individual to advance himself and his goals only by furthering the goals of other individuals around him without coercion, without violence or compulsion. Competition is a great character builder, not only in terms of business, but in personal terms. True free-market capitalism provides the necessary components to develop a prudent circumspect for ones own actions and how those actions affect the lives of others.
Capitalism, in its purest free-market form, provides the greatest ability to combat the forces of authoritarianism, totalitarianism and even nationalism than any other form of economics, is it therefore, any surprise that there are so many voices against the principles of free-market capitalism?




















I want to add something
I agree with everything you said, but I wanted to add something.
I think that the key to all this is that we believe in non-coersion and that relationships between people must be voluntary. So this means that if some people like socialism, they should be allowed to live under that system. Who are we to force them to live under free-market capitalism?
The caveat is that the socialists cannot force us into anything -- they must keep the tyranny to themselves.
Many…
… control freak, self-righteous conservatives and perhaps an equal number of smug, do-gooders on the left don’t get the core genius of this tenet of libertarian tolerance for free association. Likewise, many of our own who haven’t yet shaken off the lingering vestiges of their former categorizing mindsets: The snarkiness over the Zeitgeist debate is clear indication that many in this movement can’t yet embrace the concept of voluntariness without enforced conformity.
Communitarianism is human and not oppressive if it remains open. We become flexibly accustom to it in the fluctuations of family life. Anthropologically we evolved gathering in clans. When there’s space … there’s harmony or spinoff. When there’s crowding and heavy-handedness … there is conflict or subjugation.
Early, when cooperation is positive, the group grows and thrives. When the group becomes too unwieldy to maintain consensus, it will crumble into pieces of its own weight, as it should. Unless, of course, there is resort to aggression, which either succeeds in oppressing ( at least for a time), or there is escalating retaliations.
Generally, this positive model is how Amish communities function. The school, major medical and catastrophes are group responsibilities, enforced without threat of violence. Barn raisings are social and happily not self-centered. Many of their old fashion methods and lifestyle choices are to keep their communities just the right size by the inevitable attrition of peaceful group dynamics. Someone gets out of step or is a malingerer, shunning, in its less aggressive forms, usually proves sufficient for the voluntary choice to move on ( and there is usually the pull factor of hope for greener pastures where one might expect to fit in better).
Police powers are a corruption of civil society. Central control is an inevitable consequence of government and the politics of ambition. It is not indispensible, but rather, should be regarded as the anathema to a smooth, happy and productively functioning community.
When the real money necessary to the functioning of a genuine capitalist system is restored to better resemble the barter engaged in by Amish libertarian/communitarians, I propose the following slogan be inscribed to capture more of the ethic:
E Unum Pluribus
The Real Bulwark, I Suppose, Is Free Thought And Inquiry…
… and those who would provide its steady defense.
I won’t take the time to invest much into this response to your claim to have your finger on the one true ‘Freedom Bulwark ’. Posts here under this new regime are evanescent, and thus I will be fleet with my response and simply suggest conventional mendacity has never proven to be a lasting bulwark to liberty. Let this cut and paste serve as sufficient word to the wise:
“Without freedom of thought, there can be no such thing as wisdom; and no such thing as publick liberty, without freedom of speech: Which is the right of every man, as far as by it he does not hurt and control the right of another; and this is the only check which it ought to suffer, the only bounds which it ought to know.”
Cato’s Letters No. 15
http://www.constitution.org/cl/cato_015.htm
“What constitutes the bulwark of our own liberty and independence? It is not our frowning battlements, our bristling sea coasts, our army and our navy. These are not our reliance against tyranny. All of those may be turned against us without making us weaker for the struggle. Our reliance is in the love of liberty which God has planted in us. Our defence is in the spirit which prized liberty as the heritage of all men, in all lands everywhere. “
Abraham Lincoln, 1858
http://www.acton.org/research/acton/history-of-freedom-intro...
“To the plea that free inquiry would scandalize the faithful, [Lord ]Acton, … remained unconvinced. Without exception he held that … truth must surface,…”
“Here is my advice as we begin the century that will lead to 2081. First, guard the freedom of ideas at all costs. Be alert that dictators have always played on the natural human tendency to blame others and to oversimplify. And don't regard yourself as a guardian of freedom unless you respect and preserve the rights of people you disagree with to free, public, unhampered expression. “ ~Gerard K. O'Neill, 2081
JOHN P. ZENGER:
No nation ancient or modern ever lost the liberty of freely speaking, writing, or publishing their sentiments, but forthwith lost their liberty in general and became slaves.
As I see things, I believe that support for the proposition that more than our own light shine, is what truly liberates us and secures more than just our own freedom from fear and darkness.
Perhaps I’m just in a surly mood as I observe the context of things:
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/78157#comment-844623
On the other hand, dissenting from some people's understanding is the context:
“Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when [ the proffered] … purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding.”
-- Olmstead v U.S., 277 U.S. 348 (1928), Justice Louis D. Brandeis, dissenting
By all means, read the
By all means, read the Fugitive Essays: Selected Writings of Chodorov, I think you will find them very interesting on this and other related subjects.
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"If I want to be free from any other man's dictation, I must understand that I can have no other man under my control." ~William G. Sumner
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“When injustice becomes law, rebellion becomes duty.”
-Thomas Jefferson
Thank You For The Recommendation…
I wasn’t aware of this collection. I’ve always enjoyed Frank Chodorov’s wit and wisdom. Surveying these essays, it was nice to see how he made both our points. I was particularly drawn to his 1946 installment titled “Commies Don’t Count”.
http://oll.libertyfund.org/?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=s...
As Chodorov explains:
“But they may, and probably will, hasten centralization by creating a fear of it…There is reason to believe that the cause of Hamiltonian centralization was advanced by “Shays' Rebellion,” ... Whenever the mob starts acting up, the privileged citizenry comes to the aid of political power. Never have these people asked for a decomposition of political power. That being so, the clamoring of the Chamber of Commerce against the threat of communism is more of a portent of centralization than the antics and the slogans of the commies.”
My point was there are those here at DailyPaul who could be reminded of these lessons of history concerning how some Machiavellian schemes are advanced, first with commotion, then with the exploitation of fear to achieve the intended consolidation of power, usually advanced by people of zeal, often well-meaning, but with little understanding. Then, even the true capitalists will have cause to lament.
Thus, it seems, Chadorov appreciates that quest for understanding and decentralized power is primary, the clamor of Chamber members, and their friends, notwithstanding.
I am in total agreement with
I am in total agreement with you, there is much subterfuge occurring at the moment, especially when it comes to the use of the word "capitalism" these days. Have you ever read John Flynn and Garet Garrett's works, if not I highly recommend both.
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“When injustice becomes law, rebellion becomes duty.”
-Thomas Jefferson
Lessons Not Forgot
Yes. Wonderful suggestions. I obtained a copy of ‘Forgotten Lessons’, a book of essays by John T. Flynn, when it came out a dozen years ago, or so. Heroic. The editor summed up Flynn’s career: "When Flynn died in 1964 he was an outcast from both the then-fashionable varieties of liberalism and conservatism. His life was a testament to his character – he refused to compromise his deepest convictions for the affection of trendy demagogues of any political stripe."
Sound familiar? :
“The test of fascism is not one’s rage against the Italian and German war lords. The test is--how many of the essential principles of fascism do you accept and to what extent are you prepared to apply those fascist ideas to American social and economic life? When you can put your finger on the men or the groups that urge for America the tax-supported state, the autarchival corporative state, the state bent on the socialization of investment and the bureaucratic government of industry and society, the establishment of the institution of militarism as the great glamorous public works project of the nation and the institution of imperialism under which it proposes to alter the forms of our government to approach as closely as possible the unrestrained, absolute government--then you will know you have located the authentic fascist. . . . Fascism will come at the hands of perfectly authentic Americans, as violently against Hitler and Mussolini as the next one. but who are convinced that the present economic system in America has outlived its usefulness and who wish to commit this country to the rule of the bureaucratic state; interfering in the affairs of the states and cities; taking part in the management of industry and finance and agriculture; assuming the role of great national banker and investor, borrowing billions every year and spending them on all sorts of projects through which such a government can paralyze opposition and command public support; marshaling great armies and navies at cushing costs to support the industry of war and preparation for war which will become our greatest industry; and adding to all this the most romantic adventures in global planning, regeneration, and domination all to be done under the authority of a powerfully centralized government in which the executive will hold in effect all the powers with Congress reduced to the role of a debating society. There is your fascist.”
As to Garet Garrett, I was familiar with some of his antiwar writings and aware of his apparent influence upon Ayn Rand, but at your encouragement I was thrilled to find at mises.org a downloadable version of his 1931 book, “A Bubble that Broke the World [pdf].” Mises.org where Garrett ascribes the 1929 stock market crash to the pile up of debt, made possible by the Fed printing machine creating distortions in the production structure that cried out for correction.
Since that is, of course, your bailiwick I would definitely enjoy learning your review of Garet’s nearly contemporaneous take on this telling event topical to our own time.
I have a question Republicae
I am not an aconomics guy by any means and as you know, I pretty much take what you say as the analyzed and scrutinized truth. I often wonder how an economy could start without some authoritarianism or central command. Not how it could function, but how it could start. Who owns the original property that gets the whole ball rolling? Our current system of ownership (at least around here) goes back to land grants from the British Crown, but the king just "gave" that to Lord Calvert and he "gave" bunches of it to his buddies and now we sell and re-sell it. I guess I just want to hear your thoughts on the original spark and how it relates to totalitarian rule. I may need to clarify a bit, but please remember, I am not disagreeing with you about anything or challenging any of your brilliant work, I am just curious about origins.
To see the beginning of
To see the beginning of trade you have to go back into the at least the late Paleolithic Period, but it began to really take off by the middle of the Neolithic Period. There was no government, no structure to speak of during those times, but trade came from necessity, desires, dreams, all the same attributes that govern economies today found a genesis during those periods.
As one would expect, trade increased, trade routes produced trade markets, markets into settlements, settlements into towns and so on. Before written language there were markets, before governments there were markets. Even laws sprang from the markets themselves and did not originate from government structure. I could go into the entire history but I would bore you to death. Needless to say that there was an evolution from primative trade into higher orders of trade and human interactions that provided the impetus for greater organization. Land ownership was a very late occurrence in history, even the idea of "royalty" was a rather late event, but before it all came free, unadulterated trade with markets following the growth of that trade. Usually, even after the rise of government the markets were free of all government interevention.
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very nice
a pleasure to read.
Thank you very
Thank you very much!
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“When injustice becomes law, rebellion becomes duty.”
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Fine article
Well said - and I would add one more thing that is dangerous to capitalism - monopolies.
The creation and control of our money has been monopolized by private, for profit corporations. I think it is the right of the people and the duty of their government to have all new money supplied free of the exploitation of banks.
Money is a medium to facilitate trade and commerce and not a commodity to profit unto itself. It should be plentiful for those who qualify to borrow and it should not be exploited through bank interest.
Add this, and your article is complete.
END the FED before it ENDS US
END the FED before it ENDS US
Actually, monopolies usually
Actually, monopolies usually occur with a great deal of government intervention into business affairs, providing certain privileges, favors and regulations that favor one politically connected group or corporation over another. Monopolies began as grants from the various royal heads of state, such at the East India Company. In a free market the competition normally prevents artificial monopoly creation.
The great thing about a gold specie is that it acts and reacts to the law of supply and demand, adjusting purchasing power to the various forces of economic exchange. Unlike fiat money which always has to be manipulated either by government or a central bank in order to achieve and maintain economic growth.
As Rothbard put it so succinctly when he hit the nail on the head and quoting that brilliant Scottish Economist David Hume:
“First, the total stock, or supply, of money in society at any one time, is the total weight of the existing money-stuff. Let us assume, for the time being, that only one commodity is established on the free market as money. Let us further assume that gold is that commodity (although we could have taken silver, or even iron; it is up to the market, and not to us, to decide the best commodity to use as money). Since money is gold, the total supply of money is the total weight of gold existing in society. The shape of gold does not matter? Except if the cost of changing shapes in certain ways is greater than in others (e.g., minting coins costing more than melting them). In that case, one of the shapes will be chosen by the market as the money-of-account, and the other shapes will have a premium or discount in accordance with their relative costs on the market.
Changes in the total gold stock will be governed by the same causes as changes in other goods. Increases will stem from greater production from mines; decreases from being used up in wear and tear, in industry, etc. Because the market will choose a durable commodity as money, and because money is not used up at the rate of other commodities--but is employed as a medium of exchange--the proportion of new annual production to its total stock will tend to be quite small. Changes in total gold stock, then, generally take place very slowly.
What "should" the supply of money be? All sorts of criteria have been put forward: that money should move in accordance with population, with the "volume of trade," with the "amounts of goods produced," so as to keep the "price level" constant, etc. Few indeed have suggested leaving the decision to the market. But money differs from other commodities in one essential fact. And grasping this difference furnishes a key to understanding monetary matters. When the supply of any other good increases, this increase confers a social benefit; it is a matter for general rejoicing. More consumer goods mean a higher standard of living for the public; more capital goods mean sustained and increased living standards in the future. The discovery of new, fertile land or natural resources also promises to add to living standards, present and future. But what about money? Does an addition to the money supply also benefit the public at large?
Consumer goods are used up by consumers; capital goods and natural resources are used up in the process of producing consumer goods. But money is not used up; its function is to act as a medium of exchanges--to enable goods and services to travel more expeditiously from one person to another. These exchanges 3%3 are all made in terms of money prices. Thus, if a television set exchanges for three gold ounces, we say that the "price" of the television set is three ounces. At any one time, all goods in the economy will exchange at certain gold--ratios or prices. As we have said, money, or gold, is the common denominator of all prices. But what of money itself? Does it have a "price"? Since a price is simply an exchange-ratio, it clearly does. But, in this case, the "price of money" is an array of the infinite number of exchange-ratios for all the various goods on the market.
Thus, suppose that a television set costs three gold ounces, an auto sixty ounces, a loaf of bread 1/100 of an ounce, and an hour of Mr. Jones' legal services one ounce. The "price of money" will then be an array of alternative exchanges. One ounce of gold will be "worth" either 1/3 of a television set, 1/60 of an auto, 100 loaves of bread, or one hour of Jones' legal service. And so on down the line. The price of money, then, is the "purchasing power" of the monetary unit--in this case, of the gold ounce. It tells what that ounce can purchase in exchange, just as the money-price of a television set tells how much money a television set can bring in exchange. What determines the price of money? The same forces that determine all prices on the market? That venerable but eternally true law: "supply and demand." We all know that if the supply of eggs increases, the price will tend to fall; if the buyers' demand for eggs increases, the price will tend to rise. The same is true for money. An increase in the supply of money will tend to lower its "price"; an increase in the demand for money will raise it. But what is the demand for money? In the case of eggs, we know what "demand" means; it is the amount of money consumers are willing to spend on eggs, plus eggs retained and not sold by suppliers. Similarly, in the case of money, "demand" means the various goods offered in exchange for money, plus the money retained in cash and not spent over a certain time period. In both cases, "supply" may refer to the total stock of the good on the market.
What happens, then, if the supply of gold increases, demand for money remaining the same? The "price of money" falls, i.e., the purchasing power of the money-unit will fall all along the line. An ounce of gold will now be worth less than 100 loaves of bread, 1/3 of a television set, etc. Conversely, if the supply of gold falls, the purchasing power of the gold-ounce rises.
What is the effect of a change in the money supply? Following the example of David Hume, one of the first economists, we may ask ourselves what would happen if, overnight, some good fairy slipped into pockets, purses, and bank vaults, and doubled our supply of money. In our example, she magically doubled our supply of gold. Would we be twice as rich? Obviously not. What makes us rich is an abundance of goods, and what limits that abundance is a scarcity of resources: namely land, labor and capital. Multiplying coin will not whisk these resources into being. We may feel twice as rich for the moment, but clearly all we are doing is diluting the money supply. As the public rushes out to spend its new-found wealth, prices will, very roughly, double--or at least rise until the demand is satisfied, and money no longer bids against itself for the existing goods.
Thus, we see that while an increase in the money supply, like an increase in the supply of any good, lowers its price, the change does not--unlike other goods--confer a social benefit. The public at large is not made richer. Whereas new consumer or capital goods add to standards of living, new money only raises prices--i.e., dilutes its own purchasing power. The reason for this puzzle is that money is only useful for its exchange value. Other goods have various "real" utilities, so than an increase in their supply satisfies more consumer wants. Money has only utility for prospective exchange; its utility lies in its exchange value, or "purchasing power." Our law--that an increase in money does not confer a social benefit--stems from its unique use as a medium of exchange.
An increase in the money supply, then, only dilutes the effectiveness of each gold ounce; on the other hand, a fall in the supply of money raises the power of each gold ounce to do its work. We come to the startling truth that it doesn't matter what the supply of money is. Any supply will do as well as any other supply. The free market will simply adjust by changing the purchasing power, or effectiveness of the gold-unit. There is no need to tamper with the market in order to alter the money supply that it determines.
At this point, the monetary planner might object: "All right, granting that it is pointless to increase the money supply, isn't gold mining a waste of resources? Shouldn't the government keep the money supply constant, and prohibit new mining?" This argument might be plausible to those who hold no principled objections to government meddling, thought it would not convince the determined advocate of liberty. But the objection overlooks an important point: that gold is not only money, but is also, inevitably, a commodity. An increased supply of gold may not confer any monetary benefit, but it does confer a non-monetary benefit--i.e., it does increase the supply of gold used in consumption (ornaments, dental work, and the like) and in production (industrial work). Gold mining, therefore, is not a social waste at all.
We conclude, therefore, that determining the supply of money, like all other goods, is best left to the free market. Aside from the general moral and economic advantages of freedom over coercion, no dictated quantity of money will do the work better, and the free market will set the production of gold in accordance with its relative ability to satisfy the needs of consumers, as compared with all other productive goods.”
While it is true that under the Federal Reserve and fractional reserve system there is a profit, both to the banks and the government from the creation of fiat money. Under a gold monetary system the vital function of interest is not profit, but compensation or timed rent on money loaned. It provides for certain economic forces that are vital for the function of the economy, otherwise the economy would have to be artificially regulated and manipulated to replace the vital functions of interest within an economy.
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You are suggesting a hybrid fiat currency?
Republicae said:
“First, the total stock, or supply, of money in society at any one time, is the total weight of the existing money-stuff. Let us assume, for the time being, that only one commodity is established on the free market as money. Let us further assume that gold is that commodity (although we could have taken silver, or even iron; it is up to the market, and not to us, to decide the best commodity to use as money).
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Are you suggesting that we might back our currency with a multitude of commodities? Anyone watching the commodity markets will attest to the pricing volatility - including gold. By taking this route you are assuring that the value of our money will experience the same volatility.
In the past year, scrap iron for example, started at $0.15/lb - went as high as $0.40/lb and then dropped to $0.06/lb.
(Scrap Iron #1 Dealer Chicago Prices 1 Year)
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Republicae said:
"Since money is gold, the total supply of money is the total weight of gold existing in society."
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Let me make sure I understand this correctly, if the US has 8,000 tonnes of gold, then that alone will back our entire standing currency?
Essentially, this would back every dollar with less than a penny's worth of gold. Wouldn't the net effect be that we would still have a fiat currency since the intrinsic value the dollar would be but a fraction of the price of gold?
What would happen with future money added to our circulation? Would that money further stretch the ratio or would you require that new money be fully backed?
END the FED before it ENDS US
END the FED before it ENDS US
Rothbard was making a point
Rothbard was making a point that gold and silver are commodities, which, like other commodities, are subject to the laws of supply and demand. Remember, you are looking at a great deal of pricing volatility in the markets, not only commodities, due to the nature of the fiat monetary system and the distortions brought about by monetary manipulation through the Federal Reserve and the global central banking systems. If you study economic history you will find that most of the 19th Century was very stable with minor fluctuations in prices, in fact one of the remarkable highlights of nearly the entire century was the fact that there was very little instability unless external factors intervened in the markets. Inflation during the 19th Century was basically nil.
Remember what you are looking at when viewing all markets today, volatility is built into this system by the manipulation of the monetary mechanics and markets. In free markets you would have numerous balance mechanisms that operate and self-regulate these forces. I realize it is hard to think past what you see or know based on your understanding of such things because you are accustom to looking at things as they are and transposing those same factors from a fiat monetary system onto a gold monetary system and the economy it would support, but you simply can’t do that as I have been trying to tell you. The economic and monetary mechanics are completely different.
As I said on another post, it is amazing just what type of economic and monetary transformation had to take place in 1971 in order to get this fiat economy to function to any degree of certainty. You should, if you are that interested, study just what had to take place in order for the complete the transformation into a total fiat monetary system
YES, there is enough Gold. I realize it is very difficult for you to wrap your mind around what money really is and how it operates, particularly since we are so accustom to a fiat monetary system that completely relies on an ever-expanding money supply. Gold money is not stagnant like fiat money, fiat money is barren and a double liability; Gold on the other hand is fertile and a double asset. Two totally different systems that operate on totally different mechanisms. That is what I have been trying to tell you.
"Essentially, this would back every dollar with less than a penny's worth of gold. Wouldn't the net effect be that we would still have a fiat currency since the intrinsic value the dollar would be but a fraction of the price of gold?"
Don't think in fiat terms, you are trying to transpose your understanding of fiat money onto a gold monetary system, it will not work, they don't operate on the same levels.
Each of the Dollars that you now use has a purchase value, if we trust government CPI numbers and I don’t; of between 3 to 5 Cents now. I estimate that the true purchase value is really between 1 and 2 Cents or even less. Now, think about that for a while. If the value of the entire economy is not as it appears based on the Face Value of the Currency, but its real Value Potency is only 1 to 2 Cents per 1 Dollar Face Value then what is the actual Value of the Economy?
When this hits you, when you finally see it a whole new world will open up to your understanding. Remember I told you that in 1913, the Purchase Value of the Dollar was at Par or Equal with its Face Value, in other words $1 Dollar Face Value was equal to 100 Cents Purchase Value…there was no depreciation of the Purchase Value verses the Face Value. It was essentially a “real Dollar”. Since that time, thanks for the policies of the Federal Reserve and our government the Face Value of the Dollar has remained the same, but the Purchase Value, instead of being 100 Cents is now between 1 and 2 Cents. So, if you now look at the fiat price of an ounce of Gold today is $877.00, but that is based on the Face Value of the Fiat Dollar and not the Purchase Value. In terms of Purchase Value the price of that ounce of Gold is somewhere in between $35 to $40 per ounce in terms of a “real Dollar” with 100 Cents Purchase Value per Dollar Bill.
Now, I want you to think about this for a minute. In a sound free market economy, the only thing that is fixed in terms of the Dollar to Gold is the weight; there is no price fix that was the problem with the last government-imposed gold standard. With a floating price value, the gold dollar would automatically adjust with the economy bringing about equilibrium between the money supply and pricing within the economy. In other words, the economy would balance itself along with the purchase value of the gold backed currency. In such cases, based on the laws of supply and demand, you would not see major fluctuations in terms of inflationary or deflationary pressures because the currency itself would adjust accordingly.
What would happen with future money added to our circulation? To this question, I actually answered that with the study that David Hume conducted over several decades. Remember, if everyone found themselves twice as rich because all the money in all accounts were doubled overnight? Dollars bid against dollars, productivity increases to meet demand and equilibrium is once again restored. Read David Hume…amazing material.
Remember, if the gold to dollar price ratio is not artificially fixed then the economy and the money purchase value adjust to each other. There is therefore never a need to not have a fully backed currency in circulation.
It truly amazing and completely intermeshed like a fine tuned machine, nothing like the highly manipulated economic and monetary systems we have grown accustom to today. The problem with the free-market, gold monetary system is that it denies the power-brokers and bankers to gain control of the system, why do you think they tried so hard for so long, especially during the last half of the 19th Century to gain control through every possible intrigue they could, even bring about the Panic of the 1870s, that was a market manipulation by J.P.Morgan to implement a fiat system that the banks could control and profit on.
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we would still have a fiat system
It's just that the fiat system would be that gold was enforced as legal tender. All money that is exchangable for taxation and duties, or useable to settle tort, is by its nature fiat (as opposed to barter which is the freest of exchanges but the most inconvenient), however - there are some fiats which are better (i.e. more responsible) than others.
Also the government does have the ability to modulate the money supply even in a backed system. It can do this by accepting gold directly or indirectly to settle duties, tariffs and taxation, instead of only accepting its own gold scrip. I'm not sure if this causes inflation or not.
With gold there is a
With gold there is a difference, there would be no need to enforce its use as money because people would automatically recognize its property value. If you gave people a choice between irredeemable paper money and paper money that was redeemable in gold and silver, which do you think they would choose? Thus with gold there is no need for a government decree or fiat ordering people to use gold money or money substitutes in the form of paper redeemable in gold. So, give the fact that there would be no need for government fiat, in other words a decree that it must be used, gold and silver would not nor could the be considered fiat.
As long as the government does not print more money substitutes than are reserves to cover those paper certificates you would not have monetary inflation. You may have supply and demand inflation or deflation, but it would not be, as we know today, a monetary event.
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Vigilant and informed citizens will make or break capitalism.
Great points but the glue that keeps this together is people who are awake and guard this perpetually. That is where we went wrong.
It can't be...can it?
It can't be...can it?
Nice article! Ok here is where I'm lost though.
If we were to switch to a free trade policy- anyone doing business and purchasing from anyone they desire. What would keep other countries, such as China for example from doing exactly what they been doing?
I mean China doesn't play by the Free Trade rules...
**** 1994 she devalued her currency cutting the price of Chinese goods 45% in the world market while almost doubling the cost of imported goods resulting in a definitive advantage over Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, Thailand, and Malaysia.
**** Tied her currency to the dollar, and not allowing it to go
upwards, so that she may offer goods here at lower prices than we can ever hope to- while keeping U.S. goods overpriced and out of her markets.
With a nation willing to subsidize the industry and lay siege on ours...until the inevitable death of American industry- much like Japan has done in the TV, auto, and electronics industries, how can you hope for a nation to prosper?
Americans have proven that they will buy wherever they can get it cheapest (and to a extent there is nothing wrong with that)...but when the struggling factories and businesses finally collapse under unfair competition, you will have a massive flux of new people who are unemployed and sucking up any and everything that is available. But that massive wave of unemployment will span all levels of employment from these industries...so the overabundance of deprived people will spill over into the non-industrial sector.
Still to come will more and more waves unemployment thickening the lines as upcoming entry level workers grow up and need jobs. Oh, and how about all the people who have been content on bleeding the rest of us? When the free ride is up they will have to get off the ride.
I know that people will begin to lower there wage standards once the crunch really hits, and once the bloat of ages thins we will be more competitive. But do you guys really see the middle and poor class of America functioning on the same standards as the Chinese are currently doing? I'm not so sure that will work without chaos.
And of course we can't ask an economically prospering country to give us a break and play fair- well we could but should not be surprised when we receive a rhetorical laugh in response. Why would they abandon a successful trade policy in order to help a failing one?
In a world of which permeates equality and respect for all mankind regardless of his/her origin, and without over consumption and greed......I would find myself with all of you on the concept of total and open free trade- but that is just not the world we live in. So where I stand is- we should have free trade for all within the States, combined with no taxes on exports, but tariffs should be placed upon those imports which America can and should produce for itself.
Of course I envision this being done along side the return of the States' powers and an about-face back to a federal government under the STRICT limitations of the Constitution.
Any counter points are welcome......
I realize my view is a little out of step with a lot of you here, but I assure you that I am a staunch supporter of Liberty, Freedom, and The United States Constitution. I'm also a close descendant of the lesser known founder Benjamin Rush- not that it matters. Lol.
"With a nation willing to
"With a nation willing to subsidize the industry and lay siege on ours...until the inevitable death of American industry- much like Japan has done in the TV, auto, and electronics industries, how can you hope for a nation to prosper?"
I disagree. Yes, we have to compete with this, but so what? In the end the US will have been stronger for it, because we will have to adapt and find what we are *good at*. The model that something like this is catastrophic to the US is predicated on the notion that any given one of us "deserves" to stay in whatever job we hold; and that is antithetical to capitalism. If some nation decides to "steal" one of our industries, then what we should be doing is finding another one to adopt.
Sadly, our choice in this matter has run its course, and we chose "the financial sector" but ultimately that only happened because the government through no immediate, obvious, direct fault of its own (except not following the constitution) subsidized the development of the financial sector.
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I see your point and its not that I disagree...
The part I have a hard time getting my head around is that with the massive amounts of people we have procured it is obvious that we need industry which constitutes multitudes of jobs- more on the blue collar level than the white. Factories ultimately serve that purpose, yet when they are killed off by outsourcing, or replaced by an onslaught of foreign subsidized companies, it seems that America's equilibrium never catches back up. What happens in the lag between new factories being built and old ones shipping there jobs overseas? Of course I am using factories as a reference to massive job centers, which are not as commonly erected as is the small upstart business. Do we just suffer with unemployment? I could see dropping my low protectionist tariffs ideas, if Americans were willing to travel where the work is...like there ancestors before them, rather than squat rooted in one place, content to live in poverty. I hope none of you take it as I am trying to argue for the system we have now, or that I am waving off free market principles. I'm just curious as to how we would use the free market, without being attacked by other nations dumping. All I am after is a free, self sufficient, and prosperous America- nothing more.
I bought some books by Rothbard yesterday, and intend to school myself.
We must remember that
We must remember that through the decades of economic distortions, there has been a very complex structure that has formed throughout the system, including the balance of trade between countries. Today, we have managed trade, not free trade, it is as heavily manipulated today as it was during the monopolistic period that brought about the East India Company. The influences on trade has little to do with trade itself, but is a political contrivance used in various ways to apply pressure on trading partners to conform with political agendas. The global trade agreements are primarily socio-political agreements instead of actual trade agreements.
Under the fiat regimes, they all tend to play the same game among themselves, one attempting to trump the other in the trade game under the guise of free trade. Free trade doesn’t require governments, only manufacturers of products who agree to form private contracts to conduct trade between them. That is free trade.
Tariffs are not necessarily the answer to the problems, the answer is to get governments out of the trade business and allow it to fall where it belongs and that is in the hands of the actual people who produce.
Thanks for the email by the way, I appreciate it.
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Similar to corporate "income" taxes
Any imposed tariff is ultimately passed to the **buyer** as a higher price. The only thing such a policy accomplishes is to decrease prosperity for the population of the nation-state that imposes the tariff; the very one's such a policy is intended to "protect."
More info here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage
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