Should Israel be charged with War Crimes?

or the high moral ground to charge "Israel" with war crimes?

Such matters are for the disciplinary courts and military tribunals of Israel through their Ministry of Defense.

The problem is who is going to hold them accountable, The United Nations? Wouldn't that require giving authority to the United Nations backed by the United States and other member countries, and if it does recieve authority won't that mean a One World government and New World Order?
I say we should let God handle his children and we get on with living. Too much time and energy is spent on these kind of issues and personally eventhough I care dearly for these people, I prefer to go out and farm.
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Who exactly is "Israel"?

ie. If you said America should be charged w/ war crimes, who is "America"?

Neocons and NeoLibs... Take them down one by one!

"All great truths begin as blasphemies."

The entire Avigdor Lieberman Israel Lobby is who should be charged with crimes, replaced with a new Israel Lobby so that fascist far right government does not return as far as I'm concerned.

The whole revolving door Lockheed Martin/Avigdor Lieberman lobby is a disgrace to just basic human rights.

Jan. 22 (Bloomberg) -- The Israeli army deployed more than military force in its Gaza Strip campaign: Along with tanks and soldiers, it used lawyers and leaflets in what it says was an effort to save civilian lives and bolster its case against accusations of war crimes.

Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International and B’tselem, the Israeli Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories, say Israeli actions in Gaza, where a 22-day war killed more than 1,300 Palestinians, should be investigated for possible war crimes.

While the organizations also say Hamas militants in Gaza violated international law by indiscriminately firing rockets at Israeli civilians, the war-crimes accusation is especially stinging in Israel, whose population is made up in part of survivors of the Nazi Holocaust or their descendants.

Such allegations aren’t new for Israel’s military. At least three top army officers have faced war-crimes charges in the past, in countries where such suits are allowed. This time, Israel involved attorneys at the outset of the campaign, as well as dropping 250,000 leaflets to warn civilians to flee areas it was attacking.

“These are some of the actions that Israel took to avoid civilian casualties, and that it can point to should war-crimes suits be filed,” said Major Avital Leibovitz, an army spokeswoman.

‘Intimately Involved’

The Gaza “campaign was a long time in the works, and we were intimately involved in the planning,” said Lieutenant Colonel David Benjamin of the Military Advocate Corps, which acts as the army’s legal adviser. “Approval of targets which can be attacked, methods of warfare -- it all has gone through us.”

Lawyers were deployed within divisional commands to advise officers on the front lines which targets could be attacked under international law. Israeli officials say military necessity and objectives were weighed against the possibility of civilians getting hurt when targets were designated.

Aircraft dropped leaflets on dozens of occasions to warn civilians of bombing runs, and soldiers made 3,000 phone calls to urge civilians to leave areas facing attacks.

The army also used text messages to warn civilians their homes might be bombed, and the military has posted videos on YouTube showing warplanes diverting missiles fired at vehicles into open fields after civilians appeared in the target area.

Work to Do

Still, Israeli officials are preparing for a wave of international litigation. “I assume that following the Gaza events, we will have more intensive and focused work to do on these matters,” Attorney General Menachem Mazuz said Jan. 11.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aMvUB8w9...

"All great truths begin as blasphemies."

Israel is playing both sides here people in order to exterminate the Palestinians. PLAIN AND SIMPLE!

"All great truths begin as blasphemies."

Hamas slammed for 'monstrous' use of civilians
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=8...

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=hjzY3J22iL0

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Boycott Israeli goods!
http://www.inminds.co.uk/boycott-leaflet.html

BBC interviews Israeli IDF Captain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfnPjzOGB5s

Wall Street Journal_Israel Committing War Crimes
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123154826952369919.html

Amnesty International-Israel used white phosphorus
http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/news/israeli-army...
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Proof I'm a Neo Con Narc CIA / IDF Agent is Here.

I'm finally comming Clean .
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Life.. Its not the number of moments you breath but the number of moments that take your breath away...

When you say "Israel", who exactly do you mean by "Israel"?

The Israeli citizens? The Israeli Politicians? The Israeli Army commanders?

Who is going to charge them?

The UN? The world Court? They are a sovereign nation right or wrong they can do what they want as long as it doesn't harm or effect us we need to mind our own business and so do they.

We need to stop promoting collectivist world entities, this is the whole mindset of meddling in others affairs, and intervention around the world. We send weapons and money to Israel and Palestine. This is how they dupe people into believing we need a one world government to stop all this terrible blood shed and war when they are the cause.

People are so caught up in things they are chasing shadows.. This is nothing more then a business venture for the Banksters. War is big business. It's not as black and white, good guys vs bad guys as some would like to think it is

However if your so passionate about it then you are free to go over there and fight on the side of the Palestinians if you like.

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right along with every member of the Bush administration, but it will never happen because of AIPAC and the "special relationship" with Israel.

What an emotional clip. How can any reasonable human not feel for this guy. Hatred isn't created in a vacuum... More blowback to come for sure from this catastrophic military action Israel decided to embark on..Jon Stewart had an awesome clip on the daily show about the whole situation http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=213380...

because the people who control the US and Israel are also in effective control of any body that would bring Israel to justice.
Israel needs to exterminate the Palestinians because they are the rightful owners of Palestine, thereby eliminating any claim against their theft of the Holy Land. Israel's actions are the most blatant evidence of their tenuous claims to the land.
Why they want the Holy Land so bad is beyond me. They're not Jews, since most of them are descendants of the Turkish tribe, the Khazars. The true Jews, Muslims and Christians lived in peace for centuries before the advent of the Zionists, so the issue is not religious.
What's really going on??

Convention has been violated, and so did American soldiers do the same in the last 8 years, but it was banned from being shown in the media to cover up the crimes. We can no longer turn a blind eye. It is tax payer money that is being used to pay for this carnage in Gaza, Iraq, Afghanistan, and it continues to cost billions because it is still going on in the name of OIL and GAS reserves.
This was the Bush way of doing things. Will it now continue?

END the financial aid that you are providing for this carnage.
Petition at : http://www.petitiononline.com/bd161213/petition.html

Half of the U.S. top administration people have dual citizenship with Isreal. Don't look for any condemnation from US. Check it out for yourselves at www.realjewnews.com.

Apparently it only works if your a crappy little country that needs to be destroyed/taken over by an even larger country.

I see little difference btw radical Muslims and you "civilized Christians":
You are both tribalist bloodthirsty morons who dare to defend the slaughter of innocents in the name of God.
You want to kill Muslims, HAVE AT IT (and may you get what's coming to you).
But don't do it on MY DIME.

making sure that the Revolution has as many high powered enemies as possible and that you essentially piss off 60^ of the Christians in America..

Roots of Gaza Violence..
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By Nonie Darwish
FrontPageMagazine.com | Thursday, January 08, 2009

With the explosive current events in Gaza, the world needs to understand the roots of this eternal conflict, otherwise we are all kidding ourselves with hopes of peace.

For decades, Arabs had demanded that Israel end the "occupation," and in 2005, Israel did so, disengaging unilaterally from Gaza. With their demands met, there was no ‘cycle of violence’ to respond to, no further justification for anything other than peace and prosperity. With its central location and beautiful beaches on the East Mediteranean, a peaceful and prosperous Gaza could have become another Hong Kong; a shining trade and commerce center. But instead of choosing peace, the Palestinians chose Islamic jihad. They rolled their rocket launchers to the border and started bombing Israeli civilians.

Understanding the reasons why the Palestinians chose violence over peace requires connecting the dots from the behavior of Muslim states back to the laws of Islam: Sharia. Mainstream Sharia books define Jihad as: "to war against non-Muslims to establish the religion." (Shafi’i Sharia o9.0). Jihad is not just the duty of the individual Muslim, but it is also the main duty of the Muslim head of State (the Calipha):

"A Muslim calipha is entrusted to take his people into war and command offensive and aggressive Jihad. He must organize Jihad against any non-Muslim government, which prevents Muslim da’wah (meaning preaching and spreading Islam) from entering its land." (Shafii Law o25.0 to o25.9).

Sharia law# o25.9 states:

"(When the caliph appoints a ruler on a region, his duty includes) if the area has a border adjacent to enemy lands, (he will) undertake Jihad against enemies, dividing the spoils of battle among combatants and setting aside a fifth for deserving recipients."

Also:

"The Caliph makes war upon Jews, Christians and Zoroastrians until they become Muslim or else pay the non-Muslim poll tax provided he has first invited them to enter Islam or pay Jizya, the non-Muslim poll tax, (in accordance with the word of Allah Most High Chapter 9 verse 29)."

Zia-Ul-Haq, former President of Pakistan, said "jihad in terms of warfare is a collective responsibility of the Muslim Ummah."

One of Islam’s eminent 20th century scholars, Sheikh Maolana Maududi said:

"Islam wishes to destroy all states and governments anywhere on the face of the earth which are opposed to the ideology and program of Islam regardless of the country or the nation which rules it. The purpose of Islam is to set up a state on the basis of its own ideology and program … the objective of Islamic jihad is to eliminate the rule of an un-Islamic system and establish instead an Islamic system of state rule. Islam does not intend to confine this revolution to a single state or a few countries; the aim of Islam is to bring about a universal revolution."

Some people seem to think that such laws are just historical relics, on the books but not in practice or in control of the minds of Muslims. But that is the kind of denial we cannot afford; these laws rule the hearts, minds and actions of a majority of Muslim individuals and states around the world today. These scriptures are taught, preached and promoted as the incontrovertible and eternal word of God and funded by Saudi petrodollars throughout the world, including Western nations such as the U.K. and the United States.

No Muslim leader can survive in a Muslim country if he announces the end of Jihad against non-Muslim countries and states that all references to Jihad in Islamic law do not apply today. Treating non-Muslim neighboring countries and individual as equals, with respect and in peace without trying to convert them to Islam, is simply against Islamic Law.

Muslim leaders who dare to go against this theology are called traitors and puppets of the ‘Great Satan’ West. That is a description that no Muslim leader wants to be labeled with. When president Anwar Sadat of Egypt signed the peace treaty with Israel in 1979, he told his confidants that he knew he was signing his own death warrant. He understood that under Sharia he must have permanent war with non-Muslim Israel.

How can a Muslim leader or individual avoid the hundreds of Quran and Hadith commandments to Muslims to kill Jews and Christians? Q 9:29: "Fight those who believe not in Allah until they pay the Jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued." Q 9:5: "Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them". Q47.4: "When you encounter the unbelievers, Strike off their heads."

A Muslim leader cannot face his devout Muslim subjects after making a decision to engage in friendship and peace with Jews. Mosques all over the Middle East, after all, recite Mohammed’s commandment to Muslims:

"The Hour [Resurrection] will not take place until the Muslims fight the Jews, and kill them. And the Jews will hide behind the rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say: oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, this is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!" (Sahih Muslim 41:6985, also Sahih Bukhari 4:52:177)

This Hadith, issued by Mohammad, makes a whole group of people illegal to exist. It was issued in the 7th century, not after the 1948 creation of the State of Israel. It is not a response to modern-day grievances; it is a permanent commandment.

Many Muslims claim that Arabs and Jews lived well together for many years before 1948. But that claim ignores the fact that Jews had to live as ‘dhimmies’ under Islamic Law and were never allowed to rule themselves separate of the Islamic Sharia. When Muslims were weak they often treated their dhimmi subjects well and ignored the commandments to kill, subjugate and humiliate them. But Jew hatred is intrinsic to Islamic scriptures that do not permit reformation under the penalty of death.

This is the real basis of the Arab/Israeli conflict: not a conflict over land or occupation, but a divine obligation to destroy neighboring (non-Muslim) Israel, where Jews are no longer dhimmis but are free to rule themselves. We cannot ignore the root of the problem in Muslim scriptures. That is the true force behind the hate and propaganda Jihadist machine against Jews in the Muslim world.

Some Muslims tell me that they don’t believe in Sharia and question why am I making a big deal about it. My answer is that Sharia is the law of the land in 54 Muslim countries and many Muslim groups are demanding Sharia in the West. In 1990, 45 Muslim countries signed the Cairo Human Rights Declaration which stated that Sharia has supremacy over the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

The Muslim world must look within to its sacred laws, scriptures, sermons, teaching and preaching, and reform the obstacles for peace that have condemned them to a permanent state of jihad. The non-Muslim world must have no illusions.

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You made me have to re-activate my video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWqtSH-yoDU

It is far less painful to voluntarily adopt a fundamental attitude of humility than to have it thrust upon oneself as the painful consequence of ineptitude. - David R. Hawkins

aide and supported thier acts of terrorism

Writing in the New Statesman, John Pilger calls on 40 years of reporting the Middle East to describe the 'why' of Israel's bloody onslaught on the besieged people of Gaza - an attack that has little to do with Hamas or Israel's right to exist.

In Gaza, the enforced starvation and denial of humanitarian aid, the piracy of life-giving resources such as fuel and water, the denial of medicines and treatment, the systematic destruction of infrastructure and the killing and maiming of the civilian population, 50 per cent of whom are children, meet the international standard of the Genocide Convention.

The asymmetry of conquest and terror is clear. Plan D is now “Operation Cast Lead”, which is the unfinished “Operation Justified Vengeance”. The latter was launched by Prime Minister Ariel Sharon in 2001 when, with Bush’s approval, he used F-16s against Palestinian towns and villages for the first time. In the same year, the authoritative Jane’s Foreign Report disclosed that the Blair government had given Israel the “green light” to attack the West Bank after it was shown Israel’s secret designs for a bloodbath. It was typical of New Labour Party’s enduring, cringing complicity in Palestine’s agony. However, the 2001 Israeli plan, reported Jane’s, needed the “trigger” of a suicide bombing which would cause “numerous deaths and injuries [because] the ‘revenge’ factor is crucial”. This would “motivate Israeli soldiers to demolish the Palestinians”. What alarmed Sharon and the author of the plan, General Shaul Mofaz, the Israeli Chief of Staff, was a secret agreement between Yasser Arafat and Hamas to ban suicide attacks. On 23 November, 2001, Israeli agents assassinated the Hamas leader, Mahmud Abu Hunud, and got their “trigger”; the suicide attacks resumed in response to his killing.

If that is how things are, we are diminished as a civilised society. For what happens in Gaza is the defining moment of our time, which either grants the impunity of war criminals the immunity of our silence, while we contort our own intellect and morality, or gives us the power to speak out

full article here
http://www.johnpilger.com/page.asp?partid=519
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