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'Green' bulbs must replace incandescent by 2012 but look what the alternative is!!!!

Everyone, please be aware of these bulbs. Do not use these. Write your state Attorney general to complain and demand investigation into this.

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When government tells you that you must use certain lightbulbs..



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And I've read about them exploding on occasion...

And spraying their contents all over - mercury and all.

Very rare I believe.

But very bad when it happens.

Apparently with cheap brands and near the end of their life.

Pawnstorm

I'm tempted to start a small operation manufacturing

incandescent light bulbs in my home in 2012 and selling them, just to mount a challenge. Would they have the gall to arrest a private person doing this? This would get in the news and cause the regulators a lot of negative publicity.

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I don't see anything wrong with these

Don't you guys want to support doctors and pharmaceutical companies? Let's all get sick and get this economy going. Do your patriotic duty and light up your house with these cuties.

These bulbs give me eye fatigue

I've noticed incandescent bulbs give me eye fatigue. My eyes get red rimmed and painful if I spend too much time around them.

I don't know if my and others experiences are real or imagined, but that's not really the point. The point is that we should all have the freedom to decide what we want to use, not some government idiot.

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Did you mean fluorescent

bulbs give you eye fatigue? Incandescent are the traditional bulbs. I too believe it's beside the point. I am a free agent under the Constitution, to buy and use any any light bulb I choose. Gov't makes these mandates illegally.

yep

Brain fart. I meant fluorescent.

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These bulbs

don't exactly have a lot of power to them anyway. They have no real commercial use. My company sells LED lights and they seem to be much better than them and more heavily favored. I'm sure that green bulbs will become law it certain cities though. It's inevitable.

What's the name of the company

and do they sell replacement LED bulbs for home use?
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It's important that we all remember:

I think we all get wrapped up in the idea of some major conspiracy and miss where the government is actually abusing power - by making efficiency standards mandatory for producers.

"Green" bulbs aren't only these CFL's that everyone is up in arms about. There is no 'ban' on incandescents per se - rather a raising of the bar on efficiency. THIS type of government intervention is what we should all be pissed about. The government isn't forcing anyone to buy these mercury filled, alleged headache causing CFLs. Plenty of other alternatives will be possible. Halogens, diodes, etc...GE is already working on a much more efficient incandescent.

Just sent an e-mail message, with a link to this video…

…to 243 members of Congress, several media outlets, and almost everybody listed in my e-mail address book—all in my my spare time. (The subject was The great light bulb ban of 2012.)

All the technological wonders still amaze me!

--Cliff, Sioux City, Iowa
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Good job!

Pawnstorm

Pawnstorm

Thank you!

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LED!

I'm sure glad they gave credit to LED lights--those have always been the way to go anyway.

Jesus H. Christ

I'm so sick and tired of the Big Brother government and their associated apologists on the DP apologizing for their socialistic systems of control.

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"...a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." -John F. Kennedy

THANK YOU!

Thank you so much for posting this. I've been telling everyone about these bulbs from the beginning. Just the mercury content is enough not to use them in case they break. Who wants a lightbulb that if it breaks you have to have environmental cleanup? WTF?

environmental cleanup?

nah...you just have to follow some simple steps and have some items like plastic ziplock bags handy.

Go ahead at your own peril. Do you understand

symptoms of mercury poisoning and what it does to you???? Do some research and find out for yourself.

Having such a cavalier attitude for the public good gets you exactly what we have now.

Here's some links for starters:

http://heartspring.net/mercury_poison_symptoms.html

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/mercury-poisoning-symptoms.html

considering i've spent...

around three years working with environmental specialists and often within waste management facilities, yes, I am well aware of the risks involved.

The point of my reply was that no - you won't need to call in HAZMAT to clean up your broken bulb, you will just need to follow the proper directions of the product you purchase.

who will take these steps of disposal ?

20%,10% ? nah...my guess is that about 98% of the population will toss em' in the round file.

Thank you Metal for having the patience to answer

such cavalier thoughtlessness. Some people......

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Ok, so let's assume only 2% of people do actually dispose of them properly...

...What's your point? Should we ban the sale of CFL's because only 2% of those who consume the product care to read it's warning label and proper disposal methods? Give me a break.

You sure seem ready and willing to restrict the freedoms of individuals (in this case, one's freedom to buy a product and use it safely and as intended) because some might abuse that freedom with ignorance.

So who, pray tell, is actually the one exibiting 'cavalier thoughtlessness' here?

no kidding, eh?!! lol!

no kidding, eh?!! lol!

Compact Fluorescent bulbs

are already on their way out.

They are not all that great, don't last as long as they claim, most people don't prefer the light that they give, and they have mercury in them.

LED bulbs are already making big strides in brightness and can have much longer lifetimes than CFL, if they are made decently. Some are crap, but there are good ones.
Cost will be coming down, as they see more penetration into the market.

LEDs have already pretty much killed the incandescent flashlight market, and they will soon be in car headlights, and they WILL take over the general lighting industry.

The advancement curve speed for LEDs is almost as fast as computers. They make better ones every year, brighter and longer lasting, and with less power usage.

By 2012, LEDs will rule the lighting industry, and there won't even be a mention of compact fluorescents. They will be ancient history.

Irrelevant

The point is not which is better, the point is that the free markets (i.e. us consumers) should be able to decide what is best for us. I rankle at some government bozo telling me what I can and can not use in my own home.

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let's hope you're right

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Government

Government should not be mandating what lightbulbs we use, I could care less about the side effects. That is a personal decision. What's next requiring a gas stove? Requiring appliances newer than 3 years old? Wake up.

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correct

right on - agree 100%

More information

Here is a source for the meter she is using to measure:

http://www.stetzerelectric.com/filters/meter_sheet.html

Here is more information on 'dirty electricty:

http://www.electricalpollution.com/

Yes, they do indeed have mercury in them

Yes, they do indeed have mercury in them. But so what? So does every other fluorescent bulb that has ever been made.
It really isn't that much mercury.

The solution? Don't break them.

I think the headaches are from the 60hz flicker, not mercury. Incandescent bulbs reach a stable temperature and the 60hz isn't as visible (but it screams in IR).

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There's less mercury in a

There's less mercury in a cfl than the mercury that will be expelled from a coal fired plant into the air from running an incandescent.

I hear you have to have a

I hear you have to have a haz mat team remove them if you break it in your house.

Not True.

Read the label on the bulbs for crying out loud!!!!!!

Can someone post a YouTube link for this video?

I have been searching and can not find it.

I am very curious about this video, thank you in advance.

Peace

article in UK dailymail

Energy-saving bulbs 'can cause migraines' warn experts

Energy saving light bulbs can trigger migraines, health experts and charities warned last night.

They have been inundated with complaints about the fluorescent bulbs, which are due to become compulsory in homes within four years.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-505571/Energy...

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I guess i'm immune

Been using those bulbs for 2 years, no problems.

But, when read the info on what happens when they break, I will now replace everything with LED's.

They are pricey right now, but this mandate will bring their price down as the truth about the mercury in fluorescent gets attention..

Need links for quality LED replacement bulb sources please...

Those bulbs are probably why my shortwave radio is so unreliable...

WARNING TO ALL DAILYPAUL.COM USERS

This video has crashed my computer twice.

Consider searching for it on YouTube or an other video site.

I suspect this one has more bytes to it, then you may be interested in.

Peace

Not to feed into any fears of lightbulbs

but I've been patiently waiting for LED replacement bulbs for the home... whatever happened to those?
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Does anyone on this board understand what science IS?

This is loads of anecdotal stories with no proof. It is ridiculously easy to prove if they cause side-effects.

Are you all that gullible that you'll trust this?!!!

I totally

believe this. I personally can not use a cell phone near my head. It gives me an instant headache. Better start stocking up on the regular light bulbs.

Don't worry, Yankee friends!

This is a Global News story, which is a national news network for our country of Canada. The 2012 deadline applies to us, but as far as I know, does not apply to Americans. (That'll be the day that you guys are legislated by us, eh? Try and sell THAT to Texas!)

Good info about the bulbs though. Yeah, LEDs are way better, and super energy effecient if you want to save a few cents on hydro bills.

Worry

We also have a deadline. Because Congress are lighting, electro-magnetic and energy experts who all got good grades in science classes.

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So....

Electrons moving a helical motion produce an oscillating magnetic field. Holy rat crap fatman!!!! To the bat cave we have to stop this!!!! What? You mean scientist already know this? Oh, sorry Bruce, I didn't mean to wake you in the middle of the night.

Stand by for the next government agency.

We really are too stupid as a whole to be free.

"We really are too stupid as a whole to be free."

Maybe the most truthful thing I've heard in a long time. I wish there was a test.

All this is is "BIG BROTHER" dictating what we do in our lives.

I have been using CFL's for years for the savings in electricity usage. But the caveat here is there useful life verses cost of the bulbs. They are at least 2 to 3 times more expensive than incandescents . The average life in my experience is 7 months at 6 hour's per day usage.That's about 2190 hours per year, about one third there stated life !
I buy mine at Costco by the four pack. As they die, I pack in the original box and return them to Costco for a refund. That being said, the point here is we are being dictated to on what we can or can't use. All this is another "carbon tax" Thomas Edison must be rolling over in his grave. All this because of the fallacy of GLOBAL WARMING. With the OBAMA government, this is just the beginning. As for radiation from the CFL's, they are probably just as bad as cell phones. When LED lamps get a bit cheaper. that's the way to go. My two cents.

GOD BLESS US ALL

I have only replaced one CFL in 6 years at my house

I got them at home depot.

I do not think too many people will return these dead

bulbs to where they bought them. Do you see the humungous problem?

Why not? I don't see any

Why not? I don't see any problem. The problem with people is that they don't want to be bothered. Maybe if everyone did indeed return the defective ones, they might build something that lasts verses the hype. Would you not return something you bought that didn't live up to expectations ?

GOD BLESS US ALL