Easy on the Quotes
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Seems that a lot of posters to Daily Paul like to trot out a quote by Jefferson, Einstein, Ron Paul, you name it - and that is the message they post. Sometimes that is all they post. Just the quote, nothing else. Nothing about the topic or the thread. Just the quote.
If you and were having a discussion about politics, and I said, well what do you think? And you quote Jefferson. My response is, OK, that is what Jefferson thought: what do YOU think?
This is a site where people can share, discuss, grow, think, learn and argue. It's all healthy and good.
I am ALL FOR the use of quotes to bolster a point of view. So don't think I am against them. Sometimes they can be used to Bump a thread. Well fine, but can't you please say something yourself? Even "I agree" would be better in my opinion.
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I see your point of
view but I am just happy they help bump a good thread for others to see. Sometimes the article is so good it doesn't need further discussion it says it all. If there is nothing else to add why write something? Many times people don't have time to respond because they are doing other things, coming or going etc. I find plenty of discussion on some threads in fact people complain about the arguing, it's a no win situation I guess.
Bumping, yes.
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Not sure what you mean by 'article' but maybe you meant to write quote.
I think you raise some very good points, but - for me - I just get awfull tired of scrolling down a thread and seeing one quote after another, with nothing else from the poster.
If the quotes are used to bump then... well, it's a free country. I just wish people would actually write something from the heart, if they have the time.
"Those who quote others in
"Those who quote others in defense of their views are merely arguing from authority. Though they may sometimes be correct in their beliefs, they are still mindless sheep, for they lack the faculties of rational thinking common in higher man to articulate their own defense." -Jeff White
What Is The Point Of This?
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"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels
To encourage original thought and writing
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Apparently you have a comprehension problem. I was quite clear: many use quotes in the absence of original thought or writing.
apparently you fail to see
apparently you fail to see his point...get it...body of reply is nothing but a quote...
"Ideas have consequences." Ron Paul
Right. No real thought evident.
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Trotting out a quote is lame. Speak you own words, from your own heart. What's the problem?
Lots of people say things, many of them silly. Some of them sensible. Some of them brilliant. But they reflect the writer, and not someone else.
At the very least -- citation!
Quoting from the early Patriots is a good thing--so long as the proper citation is given. Just giving a quote and then the name of this or that early Founder isn't enough; we need to know where the quote is from.
If it's from a letter, how about the date and to whom it was sent? If from the Federal Convention gives us the date (and maybe even a link?) If it's from one of the State Ratifying Conventions, at least indicate which State (and which day if applicable.) If it's from the Federalist Papers, which essay? If it's from one of the Anti-Federalists (erroneously so-called), which pamphlet or circular?
If the citation is unknown, then I would follow zenpiper's advice. If it is known and can be provided, quote away!
I always liked....
"One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter."
I think it was quoted by an I.R.A. chick.
(Just exercising my first amendment rights).
"A facility for quotation
"A facility for quotation covers the absence of original thought."
- Dorothy L. Sayers
WIN
That is my point
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But what do YOU think, furlough?
i think i just laughed my ass off because of furlough's post
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I have as much authority as the Pope.
I just don't have as many people who believe it -g.carlin
signature quotes and heading quotes
that automatically pop up and have nothing to do with the thread get in the way of reading. You constantly read the same quote over and over and over and I personally would not do it. It bugs me.
Then when someone wants to just bump a thread, their quotes naturally come up and that is why you have some with the quote only--they are just bumping the thread.
They were kind of neat in the beginning, when the whole thing was new, but after about a month, they became annoying. You never know whether the quote is something you need to read or that you have read 100 times already until you get into it and then stop in the middle.
"I don't want to tell people what to do." ~ Ron Paul
Who died and put you in charge ?
It's an opinion
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I like to read what people express from their own hearts.
Many quote others in the absence of original thought.
I am not in charge, never was, never wanted to be. But I do have opinions, as does everybody else on Daily Paul. Well, the quoters might, but we'll never know.
zenpiper "Many quote others in the absence of original thought."
I do not know if there is such a thing as an original thought, but I do know that a completely unique thought has been a personal goal of mine since I was barely conscious.
Who knows if it is possible...our thougts are influneced in so many unnoticed ways by the world around us.
It is nice to know that other people waste their time thinking about this kind of weird stuff too.
If you think you have an original thought or idea, and read about it in a book or magazine, does that article deminish or negate your idea (or thought) as original?
Are we truly influenced, so completely, by our surroundings that our thoughts are merely emalgamations of our existence? We take a little seed of thought here and a little seed there and come up with a third "hybrid thought" which seems to be divorced from either of the "root" thoughts.
Is it possible that your "original thought" was someone elses thought too? Sure! Why not?
What is thought but mental invention? Inventions, such as the Automobile, Telephone, Radar, and the Light Bulb are all examples of inventions claimed by more than one person or organization. Does it make Edison's work and inventiveness any less original to find that an Englishman used a carbon filament for illumination years before? I don't think so.
If you have 1000 thoughts a day and live 75 years you have a lot of thoughts, but so do the other 6 000 000 billion people on earth as well as those all passed away.
I would conclude that we cannot have a truly original thought. One that is not influenced in some way by our experience. I think our minds are tied to that. Even an "original" invention such as the car or light bulb were based on previous concepts (carriage, candle). I don't think our minds can "jump" beyond what we can experience
You REALLY missed the point
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You raise some good stuff. There are two possible answers: either everything is original, or nothing is original.
The factor of time separates everything, so I go with everything is original, even if it has been Influenced by prior thoughts, events, and so forth.
But...
The above is really beside the point. I would rather see a borderline English response to a post: "Me read, me like, think Alex Jones a bubblehead." is far better than quoting another person, no matter who he is.
This is like: "Geez, I don't know what to say about this! Oh wait, I'll just quote Thomas Jefferson."
Well duh.
You are right -
but how about the first time reader of the quotes ? Not all of us are familiar with all these quotes ?
Do you know who coined this quote: "My right to say it, yours not to listen" ? I don't ?
Don't take it serious, just having fun playing contrary.
Personally, I learn more from quotes than anything else, except hitting my thumb with a hammer.
Ha ha
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I like your style.
I am OK with quotes if they work into the message. Maybe I wasn't clear about that.
For example: Gandhi said, "Everything we do is futile, but we must do it anyway," sums up the current efforts to fix the nation's economic problems.
I am sending beer to your table.
“Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog
it's too dark to read.” —Groucho Marx
From time to time I think what Jefferson thought and rather than be redundant I will refer to his or any other quote I consider to be true.
If I know anything I will tell you what I know. If I think something I will tell you what I think and not necessarily what I think I know.
I often quote myself. It adds spice to my conversation.
Christopher Buckley:
Reading any collection of a man's quotations is like eating the ingredients that go into a stew instead of cooking them together in the pot. You eat all the carrots, then all the potatoes, then the meat. You won't go away hungry, but it's not quite satisfying. Only a biography, or autobiography, gives you the hot meal.
George Bernard Shaw:
I often quote myself. It adds spice to my conversation.
George Santayana:
Almost every wise saying has an opposite one, no less wise, to balance it.
Groucho Marx:
Quote me as saying I was mis-quoted.
Isaac D'Israeli:
The wisdom of the wise, and the experience of ages, may be preserved by quotations.
Joseph Roux:
A fine quotation is a diamond on the finger of a man of wit, and a pebble in the hand of a fool.
Lama Surya Das:
Our lack of compassion stems from our inability to see deeply into the nature of things.
Louise Guiney:
Quotations (such as have point and lack triteness) from the great old authors are an act of reverence on the part of the quoter, and a blessing to a public grown superficial and external.
Marlene Dietrich:
I love quotations because it is a joy to find thoughts one might have, beautifully expressed with much authority by someone recognizably wiser than oneself.
Marlene Dietrich:
I love quotations because it is a joy to find thoughts one might have, beautifully expressed with much authority by someone recognized wiser than oneself.
Mary Pettibone Poole:
The next best thing to being clever is being able to quote someone who is.
Michel de Montaigne:
I quote others only in order the better to express myself.
Ralph Waldo Emerson:
Stay at home in your mind. Don't recite other people's opinions. I hate quotations. Tell me what you know. Journals, 1843
Ralph Waldo Emerson:
By necessity, by proclivity, and by delight, we all quote. In fact, it is as difficult to appropriate the thoughts of others as it is to invent.
Ralph Waldo Emerson:
Every man is a quotation from all his ancestors.
Ralph Waldo Emerson:
The next thing to saying a good thing yourself, is to quote one.
Ralph Waldo Emerson:
I hate quotations. Tell me what you know.
Ralph Waldo Emerson:
All minds quote. Old and new make the warp and woof of every moment. There is no thread that is not a twist of these two strands.
Robert Burns:
I pick my favourite quotations and store them in my mind as ready armour, offensive or defensive, amid the struggle of this turbulent existence.
Sophocles:
A short saying often contains much wisdom.
Talmud:
A quotation at the right moment is like bread to the famished.
Virginia Woolf:
When, however, one reads of a witch being ducked, of a woman possessed by devils, of a wise woman selling herbs, or even a very remarkable man who had a mother, then I think we are on the track of a lost novelist, a suppressed poet. . . indeed, I would venture to guess that Anon, who wrote so many poems without signing them, was often a woman.
Voltaire:
A witty saying proves nothing.
W. Somerset Maugham:
She had a pretty gift for quotation, which is a serviceable substitute for wit.
W. Somerset Maugham:
The ability to quote is a serviceable substitute for wit.
Winston Churchill:
It is a good thing for an uneducated man to read books of quotations.
Yossi Klein Halevi:
But theological change happens though selective quoting. Every religious person does it: You quote those verses that resonate with your own religious insights and ignore or reinterpret those that undermine your certainties. Selective quoting isn't just legitimate, but essential: Religions evolve through shifts in selective quoting.
And the prize goes to...
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(drum roll)
Ralph Waldo Emerson:
I hate quotations. Tell me what you know.
Perfect.
I agree!
I think it's okay to post a quote with your comment, but to post a quote by itself as a response is silly. Someday we will be a part of history and maybe someone will quote us; unless of course we have only quoted someone else.
I think some of those quotes that appear by themselves...
...may be quotes that people have in their signature/tag line that will appear automatically. When someone bumps without adding other words to the post, this tag line is the only thing that appears.
I could be mistaken, but I have seen these kind of posts and when I wondered why someone was replying that way, that was the only conclusion I could come to that made sense.
Finally, a breath of sanity
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Funny how my post angers some people. They don't debate me, but engage in either more quotes or name-calling. Yours is the only support thus far, and I am happy to read it. You talk sense.
Thanks!
I do agree that quotes are useful to emphasize a point of view, but a quote alone gives the impression that one has no point of view of their own. Isn't the fact that we are informed and have our own thoughts the very thing that sets us apart from the sheeple?
nevermind
nevermind
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for good. May the force be
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I love to read quotes when people use them to emphasize the ....
point(s) that they are making. I like to use them to illustrate my own thoughts on a subject matter. The quotes I choose to use are often much more able to employ the use of fewer, more clever or even, in some instances, more abstract words or ways that I am not capable of coming up with.
My head knows what I mean, but my words often fail me to properly deliver my message. So, like a tool, I will use a quote that best matches my thoughts to better express my ideas. The quotes are a reflection of my thoughts, not the origin of my ideas.
That can work
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If your little essay on Daily Paul 'references' a quote that sums up your feeling, then it's a useful device. I think it should be set up, or explained, maybe a little.
Too many people just paste the quote and don't say anything else.
Thanks a lot.
Jesus Christ
This guy is a control freak. No wonder he became a MOD.