
Now $34 Crude Oil For Sale : New Multi-year Low
Submitted by SteveMT on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 17:48
Update 2-12-09
Oil tumbles below $34 a barrel on economic fears
Thursday February 12, 3:22 pm ET
By Mark Williams, AP Energy Writer
Oil prices back below $34 per barrel with doubts over economic recovery
COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) -- Oil prices slid to a new low for the year Thursday because of growing doubts that the $789 billion stimulus package will reinvigorate the U.S. economy and demand for energy.
Crude supplies in the U.S. reached an 82-week high last week, according to the Department of Energy, showing just how far demand has fallen.
In a sign that laid-off workers are having difficulty finding new work, the number of people claiming benefits for more than one week rose to 4.81 million from 4.78 million, the highest total since records began in 1967. The continuing claims data lags the new claims numbers by one week.
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/090212/oil_prices.html
Oil prices tumble below $36 on bulging inventories
Oil prices plunge below $36 per barrel on report of building US stockpiles of crude
Dirk Lammers, AP Energy Writer
Wednesday February 11, 2009, 3:43 pm EST
SIOUX FALLS, South Dakota (AP) -- Oil prices plummeted below $36 Wednesday on more evidence that U.S. storage facilities are bulging with unused crude.
Light, sweet crude for March delivery fell $1.99 to settle at $35.94 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange.
Oil closed under $40 Monday for the first time in several weeks, and has closed lower every day since.
A weekly report from the Energy Information Administration showed that crude inventories jumped by 4.7 million barrels for the week ended Feb. 6. That easily surpassed the expectations of analysts surveyed by Platts, the energy information arm of McGraw-Hill Cos., who expected a boost of 3.4 million barrels.
More Here:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Oil-prices-tumble-below-36-on-...















Bugman.
let's consider scale. the kola well stopped at 7.6 miles. because it got so hot it turned to goo. that is not very far when you consider the rough distance to the center of the earth is over 6000 miles. I did the math at one time and it came out to about .001%. I have been trying to come up with an analogy for this. I think it is compareable to a piece of saran wrap on a basketball. and the earth is smoother than a basketball. the distance from the highest mountaintop, to the lowest point in the sea, is 12 miles. the circumference is 25000 miles.
therefore, all we know of is less than 1% the other 99% is basically on fire. since a sphere has the greatest internal volume of any shape, it is not unreasonable to think that the earth simply "sweats" oil as it cools. it is also not unreasonable to expect it to pick up life on the way up. there are many known forms of life that eat oil.
considering that we have only recently discovered the 3rd largest lifeform on earth. [archaea] it would seem wildly presumtous for us to pretend we know what is down there.
just my 2 cent's
" the important thing is to never stop questioning, curiousity, has it's own reason for existing..
Albert Einstien
"It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority."
— Benjamin Franklin
I'm having trouble...
making the connection with the volume and depth of the earth with the production of hydrocarbon. One thing we've learned, if I'm not mistaken, is that if the oil is buried too deeply then it gets too hot and cooks off its useful properties. That's why you have to change your oil in your car, it gets burnt.
We KNOW that you can turn plants into oil, right (corn, hemp)? We KNOW that the microscopic critters that abound in the oceans get buried by subsidence down to, by my personal experience, down to 34,000' +. So wouldn't it be the simplest explanation to see that this is the most likely source of oil? Usually the simplest explanation is the best.
Interesting dialog, thanks.
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Fossils Rock!
We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
'Cause there's a monster on the loose
until the huygens probe, yes.
consider this,
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Cassini-Huygens/SEMCSUUHJCF_0.html
" the important thing is to never stop questioning, curiousity, has it's own reason for existing..
Albert Einstien
"It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority."
— Benjamin Franklin
Most Expensive Gasoline Fetches $4.899 in New Jersey for Exxon!
Profits are still important. Ridiculous!
Feb. 11 (Bloomberg) -- At $4.899 a gallon, Eel Chang may be selling the most expensive gasoline in the U.S.
Less than a mile from his Ashwood Exxon station in Summit, New Jersey, motorists fill up for $1.799 a gallon at an independently owned Delta station. That’s more in line with New Jersey prices that averaged $1.598 in January, according to GasBuddy.com, a Web site that tracks prices.
“This is just ripping people off,” said Ed Morse, 79, of West Babylon, New York, who left without making a purchase when he saw Chang’s prices. “They are just prohibitive.”
Chang said he can’t compete on price because of the wholesale rate that Exxon Mobil Corp. charges him. The high pump price slows volume to a trickle but yields a bigger profit margin to help the money-losing station stay afloat, he said.
More Here:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601213&sid=ak5Ln2vs... l
Free market at work...
nobody is forced to shop there, he should charge as much as he can and make as much profit as possible!
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Fossils Rock!
We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
'Cause there's a monster on the loose
Even if the
price per barrel goes down it sure isn't showing at the gas pump. I think all the taxes they put on at the pump will keep the price of gas up.
Lately, they have been holding up production by limiting....
the amount refined. We are running at 81% capacity. Then, there are pending gas tax increases, i.e. carbon taxes. If one doesn't have a job, there is much less driving going on. Once that car is in need of repairs, it just is not going to happen.
And still, oil in storage is
And still, oil in storage is growing....
And Iran has a presidential election this summer.....
Putin is facing unrest, due to falling state revenues / expenditures......
So is Chavez....
Dubai, and with it, the UAE, is collapsing.....
Iraq disparately needs money for reconstruction........
The North Sea producers are facing increasing unemployment and strain on government coffers.......
Mexico is on the verge of failing completely............
Brazil, the only country with some meaningful finds recently, is seeing it's non oil economy rapidly deteriorate.....
And who knows what's going on in Saudi. With all the other big producers obviously ready to benefit from quota cheating, maybe the Saudis will have to teach them a lesson again. Like say, keep your quotas or face $8/barrel oil, you minions. They sure won't get any push back from their stimulus hungry primary guardians. More like promises of more arms to help quell any social unrest resulting from such low prices.
OldSkool...
You wrote:
"Please read what our own
On February 12th, 2009 oldskoolpatriot says:
Please read what our own government is saying with the U.S. Geological Survey about the Bakken Oil Field that Lindsey Williams has been talking about."
First... are you placing credence into what the government says?? LOL
You also wrote:
"The Bakken Oil Field to Contain
8-times as much oil as Saudi Arabia
18-times as much oil a s Iraq
21-times as much oil as Kuwait
22-times as much oil as Iran
500-times as much oil as Yemen- and it's all right here in the Western United States.
That's enough crude to fully fuel the American economy for 41 years straight with ONE find!
estimated that of the 167 billion barrels (2.66×1010 m3) of oil in-place in the North Dakota portion of the Bakken, 2.1 billion barrels (330,000,000 m3) were technically recoverable with current technology see link above"
I had to read it 3x.. the article DOES NOT say this.. here's the headline:
"3 to 4.3 Billion Barrels of Technically Recoverable Oil Assessed in North Dakota and Montana’s Bakken Formation—25 Times More Than 1995 Estimate—"
Where did you see 167 billion barrels???
Finally, you wrote:
"People who believe we are driving on dead dinosaur bones are once again believing what they have been told too believe -- HVAC is correct as is Lindsey Williams"
So you're telling me not to listen to what we've been told, but want me to listen to the government agencey, the USGS, which didn't even say what you said they said, :) , and ignore the science that I've been working in for 25 years? C'mon my brother...
If you think that we claim that oil comes from "dead dinosaur bones", you're listening to the wrong people yourself.
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Fossils Rock!!
We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
'Cause there's a monster on the loose
BugMan
1) -- we have to put some credence in the numbers. You can decide how much you want believe in government numbers -- Perhaps you only believe the stimulus is 700 billion -- Why start to pick and choose what I site from a government site? Are you saying the USGS is not-creditable? if so please back some evidence.
2) On the 167 billion barrels perhaps you could read other news sites from reporting on the Bakken oil field. The one I gave you is a starter -- You will come across the numbers if you engage yourself in learning more about this topic.
3) Many people have chosen not acknowledge how much crude oil is being reported by the USGS and many also believe that Crude oil is created on from fossil remains -- I did not say that you believed that or people on the site did. However, there are MANY who do believe in one or the other and even in both with some people.
Patriot4Liberty1776
You're right...
The USGS is credible. I did my Masters research with them in Denver. But they say that there are just a few billion that can be gotten with today's technology (see my other reply below), not 167 billion.
I don't savor the prospect of going looking for research that doesn't exist... you've made the claims so it's up to you to provide the evidence. I can tell you what I have experienced myself without having to listen to 3rd hand information.
So you believe that "fossil fuel" is a misnomer, and hydrocarbon does not come from orgranic material that was once living organisms millions of years ago? I couldn't really understand from your last reply.
No hard feelings here, BTW, I respect your opinion but just hope to get the facts straight. Thanks for the dialog.
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Fossils Rock!
We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
'Cause there's a monster on the loose
Quick Question
BugMan - what are your thoughts about "peak oil"?
END the FED before it ENDS US
END the FED before it ENDS US
Good question...
and I'm not sure what to believe. All I can say for sure is that the oil companies risk amazing amounts of money drilling in extreme environments looking for oil. I just can't buy the assertion made by some here that there is easy oil to find and that it is unlimited, at least in our territories. I certainly disagree that it can be regenerated in our lifetime, or in the life of the humans to come.
We'll never run out, because before we do the cost will be prohibitive and the alternatives will be economically feasible. At the rate we're going, that time will be a long time off!
I'd be interested to hear your thoughts and others as well....
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Fossils Rock!
We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
'Cause there's a monster on the loose
Bugman here is an article talking about the 167Billion
N.D. study estimates 167 billion barrels of oil in Bakken
Not to change the subject but do you doubt Lindsey Williams at this point in time with what he has been saying about the Energy Non-Crisis?
TC,
OldSkool
Patriot4Liberty1776
OK, still there is NOT that much oil in the Bakken...
that can be obtained with today's technology!
From the article you cited:
"The Bakken shale formation in North Dakota holds up to 167 billion barrels of oil but only about 1 percent of it can be recovered using current technology, a new state study says.
... and...
"This study gives a number that by no means guarantees those are the amount of barrels we can count on," Ness said. "The Bakken rock is full of oil and companies drilling out there know that, and they know it is extremely difficult and extremely expensive."
I have only questioned how you and Lindsey can say that there is all of this easy oil to be found, and what scientific evidence you have for it. All I've gotten from you are two articles that support my thoughts, not yours.
Of course he was right about oil going down. But is it for the reason that there is so much easy oil, or because of the collapsing economy, and the speculation that there will be dramatically less demand?
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Fossils Rock!
We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
'Cause there's a monster on the loose
Bug .... :) Did you read the
Bug .... :)
Did you read the link
The study released Monday said current technology could lead to the recovery of about 2.1 billion barrels in North Dakota's the "middle Bakken" formation, where oil-producing rock is sandwiched between layers of shale about 10,000 feet under the ground. -- Lynn Helms, director of the state Department of Mineral Resources, which conducted the study reported this 4/29/2008
Remember USGS says 3 to 4.3 Billion Barrels of Technically Recoverable Oil Assessed .....with today's technology the report says about half of that can be recovered 2.1 Billion Barrels. This makes the claim of 167 billion barrels very conservative. The 1% nonsense is no longer accepted by those reporting for the Department of Mineral Resources.
50% is on par with the 2006 study
2006 Bakken Oil study
:) I appreciate your comments and no hard feelings ... Blogging is very tough to pick up on tone and Anyone supporting Dr. Paul is A friend of mine!
TC,
Oldskool
Patriot4Liberty1776
old is cool....
I am missing something somewhere I guess. I still don't see where the 167 billion barrels is coming from. How do you go from 2.1 to 167?
My entire argument is about the availability of easily obtainable oil, isn't that what we're talking about here?
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Fossils Rock!
We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
'Cause there's a monster on the loose
Thanks Bug U too!
The differences appear to come from what you believe the total is 3 to 4.3 billion barrels from what I can tell and +/- percent is figured in with these numbers as well. But you raise a good question – Perhaps we could contact Lynn Helms with the state Department of Mineral Resources and get an update.
Whether it is 40% 50% or 60% of recoverable crude though I want to say to anyone don’t bet against anything Lindsey Williams is saying. He makes it clear what is coming down the road for us. 30 days from 2/9/09 he says the chickens are coming home to roost and he gives us 9-12 months until the dollar falls.
In December he told us to look at Iceland.
I wish like everyone else that he was off basis or making this up … But I would not spend my time writing others to share his message if I did not believe it is worth hearing.
Patriot4Liberty1776
It's pretty obvious there is no real shortage of oil
maybe in the future, but not now. And, we are using less, designing better milege cars, China's not growing like once thought, and more and more other energy sources are coming on line. Now, the manipulation is in the "gasoline" market. In fact, if we have to have this damned stimulus package, wouldn't it be nice if we just launched a new program whereby the US would build 2 new nuclear plants in each State, and give to the State a way to reduce carbon emissions, and lower utility rates for their citizens. Too simple of a plan for the corrupt Washingtonians. Not enough pork and graft in this plan. Blast your congresspeople with negative fanfare about their actions. Let them hear it loud and clear, what a bunch of clutzes they are.
alan laney
Diablo Canyon was designed for four reactors, yet there...
are only two. Those two supply 20+% of California's power needs forthe last 20+ years, without any pollution. Building additional reactors on existing sites currently operating is an initial starting point. Why not? Montana is building a filthy coal fire plant and the excess power is going to California. That makes no sense to me.
Methane is what we should be burning.....
before it kills all known forms of life...AGAIN!!!!!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clathrate_gun_hypothesis
" the important thing is to never stop questioning, curiousity, has it's own reason for existing..
Albert Einstien
"It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority."
— Benjamin Franklin
methane.. yep there are
methane.. yep there are about 5 so called Ron Paul supporters on this site that you could run the whole country on with all the methane they produce!
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
Selective carbon tax..
based on hot air/fermentation!
"5 so called supporters" lol
I could think of a couple, Captain Windbag aka rhino, and ChristopherX is another up and coming windbag.
Their "methane" could light up NYC half of the year.
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The ORIGINAL Homeland Security
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Jeefferson.. Christopher is
Jeefferson.. Christopher is a good guy.. don't worry about him.
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
It's all manipulation folks.
It's all manipulation folks. In early December 08, oil had apparently bottomed around the $33 dollar level. At that time, gas prices here were $1.39 a gallon. Over the past 8 weeks, oil has flucuated between 40 and 45 and just over the past week broke down again to go under 40 and sitting under 36 at present. Gas prices here are now $2.01. Where are Americans seeing the benefit of 36 dollar oil?
abiotic oil
Supporting Evidence, Briefly
Oil being discovered at 30,000 feet, far below the 18,000 feet where organic matter is no longer found.
Wells pumped dry later replenished.
Volume of oil pumped thus far not accountable from organic material alone according to present models.
In Situ production of methane under the conditions that exist in the Earth's upper mantle. (PhysicsWeb; Sept. 14, 2004)
http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Theory/SustainableOil/
" the important thing is to never stop questioning, curiousity, has it's own reason for existing..
Albert Einstien
"It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority."
— Benjamin Franklin
HVACTech
Hello good friend and fellow Rally for the Republic partier!
Speaking of energy one thing that amazes me is how we have many existing technologies that are collecting dust - take for example geothermal heat pumps. 250-300% efficiency with an all-air system and 300-450% with a hydronic system hooked up!
We've had these products for many years but I bet you have had few customers request installation information.
Regarding your deep drilling I know Russia has some that go down pretty deep - I want to guess 4,000-6,000 feet.
END the FED before it ENDS US
END the FED before it ENDS US
sorry to butt in...
I think the well HVAC mentioned somewhere here was the Kola well, which was a research well that drilled to roughly 40,000'! Going off of rusty memory here... It took years to drill, and if I understand correctly they had to quit because it became so hot at that depth that the bits would melt!
Neat stuff! The well I'm working on now may set the world record for an oil well, beating another one I worked that went to 34,189' (measured depth, not true vertical depth).
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Fossils Rock!
We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
'Cause there's a monster on the loose
HVAC
Thanks for your discussion. You said:
"Oil being discovered at 30,000 feet, far below the 18,000 feet where organic matter is no longer found."
This is very easily explained with simple geology... Organic material is not formed below 30k'. It is deposited on the ocean floor, and as deposition continues, the layers of sediment continue to pile up. The Mississippi River and other rivers deliver incredible amounts of sediment into the Gulf of Mexico, and the mere weight of this sediment causes subsidence.
My job as a paleontologist is to look at fossils in the sediment, and report the age of the layers that are being drilled. The fossils that I study were once single celled organisms living in the photic zone of the ocean, and they continue to be one of the most abundant life forms even in today's oceans. I find their skeletons that were deposited on the sea floor millions of years ago, but now the skeletons are deeper than 30,000'. In fact, the well I'm on right now is over 32,000' and I still find the fossil skeletons of the critters that once lived in the water near the surface. The only way to get the skeletons this deep is from subsidence.
It's also easy to explain that a well can seemingly be pumped dry, but later becomes replentished. This happens with water wells to. When the rocks are "tight" the fluid flows very slowly, and the replenished oil was simply slow to travel through the sediments. It was not created anew within just a few years.
Thanks again for the dialog.
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Fossils Rock!
We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
'Cause there's a monster on the loose
could I ask for your opinion about Eugene island 330?
I read that the chemistry changed when it resumed flowing. I am not trying to argue, I am trying to learn and pay attention. there is WAY too much kool-aid going around to tell what is real and true anymore.
I have a refrigerated warehouse that needs my attention. I am a commercial refrigeration service tech. energy management is a part of my work. so is the "ozone hole" I actually stand to benifit from high energy prices. btw.
I look forward to hearing your opinion once you have had time to digest all of the information I have provided.
Ken Griffin
" the important thing is to never stop questioning, curiousity, has it's own reason for existing..
Albert Einstien
"It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority."
— Benjamin Franklin
I've worked wells in Eugene Island, but...
not familiar with the well in Block 330. I'll try to research that... would you happen to have a link by chance?
Geochemistry is not my field, but I know from my basic geology that oil always has a diverse chemistry. Each field has its own 'fingerprint', or distinct chemistry. Oil is always trying to rise to the surface, and migrates through the porous and permeable sand layers. It's likely that oil from different sources, therefore having different chemistry can migrate to the same destination.
I'm not arguing that hydrocarbon cannot come from something other than organics, but from my experience in the oil industry I really believe that most of our oil does!
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Fossils Rock!
We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
'Cause there's a monster on the loose
here it is.
http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf124/sf124p10.htm
" the important thing is to never stop questioning, curiousity, has it's own reason for existing..
Albert Einstien
"It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority."
— Benjamin Franklin
thanks...
I don't understand why these guys draw the conclusions they do... it seems the simpler explanation is that the faults they mention simply provide conduits from different sources of oil that migrate to the same place. This is no way needs to be explained by the theory that the oil is being regenerated!
I think with a basic understanding of geology and sedimentation, the traditional explanation of oil origins are easily explained.
One flaw in their logic is that the source from the organics is from dinosaurs and plants. If that were true, I'd agree that there wouldn't be enough to create all of the oil. They do not take into consideration the incredible abundance of the single celled phytoplankton in the oceans, these critters are microscopic, yet so abundant that you can see blooms of them from satellites in space! They are probably one of the main sources of organics.
thanks again.
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Fossils Rock!
We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
'Cause there's a monster on the loose
thank you!
I copied and pasted that, I was in a hurry and need to get to work. "lost city" is a new discovery. it is in the atlantic and is apparently spewing hydrogen and methane.
mars just belched a lot of methane. apparently in 2003. titan is covered in the stuff.
seems to me like the evidence is piling up pretty quickly for an alternative theory to the fossil fuel theory.
"spaceship" earth is what I like to call this rock we call home. it has a VERY thin layer of water on top. it is hurtling through space, and it is on fire just a short distance from the surface!
" the important thing is to never stop questioning, curiousity, has it's own reason for existing..
Albert Einstien
"It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority."
— Benjamin Franklin
Exponential Growth.
and perpetual gains.. IMPOSSIBLE. Oil dosen't have to run out to cause widespread collapse of the system.. it just has to stop being readily avaliable and the system it is built upon will falter.
Word to the wise.. if possible become self sufficient!
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I see your point, and I agree.
however, I feel there is no need to worry about running out anytime soon. we have time to develop alternatives.
I consider that very good news for mankind.
hope to see you in St Louis. there are at least 3 of us coming from Arkansas.
" the important thing is to never stop questioning, curiousity, has it's own reason for existing..
Albert Einstien
"It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority."
— Benjamin Franklin
Cool..
The CPAC is in DC btw..lol. What are you going to in St.louis?
http://www.cpac.org/default.asp
Find out if you have a local militia - http://www.uaff.us/
Real Patriots for 9/11 truth -- http://patriotsquestion911.com/
the 2nd rally?
C4L is having a convention, Ron Paul will be there.
" the important thing is to never stop questioning, curiousity, has it's own reason for existing..
Albert Einstien
"It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority."
— Benjamin Franklin
naw,do the math.
on it's own scale, the earth is smoother than a billiard ball. the deepest hole ever dug is only 7.6 miles. [Kola superborehole] if you devide this into the radius of the earth, it comes out to like .001.
a sphere has the greatest internal volume of any shape.
" the important thing is to never stop questioning, curiousity, has it's own reason for existing..
Albert Einstien
"It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority."
— Benjamin Franklin
Sierra...
So you tell me:
"you need to quit listening to oil people who control that market.."
But you want me to listen to somebody who tells us that an oil company insider tells him these things? So listen to some oil folks but not others?
Now I can't say for sure that there's NOT all this easy oil in Montana and Alaska like Lindsey claims, but it just doesn't make sense to me. I'm sitting out here, right now in the Gulf of Mexico, on a billion (with a B) dollar drilling ship, in over 6,000' of water, drilling a $100 million dollar well that is 32,000' deep. I've worked on several $200 million dollar *dry holes* in the last couple of years.
What could the logic possibly be for not going after the easy oil while spending serious cash, serious cash even for an oil company, out here in this incredibly difficult environment?
Lindsey sure does make some convincing dialog, and is very interesting to listen to. These claims just don't add up to me, please help.
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Fossils Rock!
We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
'Cause there's a monster on the loose
maybe to keep up illusions
maybe to keep up illusions that were running out! maybe to keep the US dependant on foreign oil. if we have our own oil we don not need military bases in 132 countries around the world do we?
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
Wow, what an expensive scam!
I suppose that could be a possibility, but what an expensive and complicated scam. In my old age I've found that the simpler explanation almost always turns out to be the right one.
Why would the domestic oil companies want us dependent on foreign oil? Wouldn't they want us dependent on domestic oil for their own profit?
There are only a handful of countries with lots of oil, why would we need bases in 132 countries, most of which don't have much oil? We're there for other reasons, world dominance, not oil
I maintain that this is no conspiracy, the easy oil has been found and drilled. We're looking in the tougher places now.
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Fossils Rock!
We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
'Cause there's a monster on the loose
200 million to those people
200 million to those people is nothing..
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
200 million to those people...
is something! I gotta disagree with you there. Sure, it doesn't hurt them like it hurts smaller companies, but even the big guys partner up to share the risk of drilling dry holes. NOBODY likes losing $200 million.
$200 here, $200 there. Before you realize it you're talking about some real money! Unless you're our Congress of course...
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Fossils Rock!
We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
'Cause there's a monster on the loose
thats true!... "When
thats true!...
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
Even people involved in the
Even people involved in the oil industry are starting to worry prices may go quite a lot lower in the short term. The economic slowdown is hitting exporters hard, and many of them don't exactly have the most popular of governments. Those may well have no choice but to pump all that they can to try to keep the mobs from kicking them out of the office. Regardless of what they 'promise' at OPEC meetings.
If for some reason this summer in the US should be mild, and the grim economy seriously crimps vacation travel, who knows how low we can go. Especially if some of the hedgies currently stockpiling the stuff runs out of cash and need to liquidate into a soft market.
I still believe any serious economic recovery will be constrained by oil, though, in the somewhat longer term. The flow rate declines are so dramatic in so many established fields, that I simply can't see where all the make up production is going to come from.
I don't think it will make
I don't think it will make much difference.. notice the baltic dry index has come up a little.. all that is is China getting out of dollar reserves and slowly and quietly buying and stockpiling oil, minerals, etc.. I know a guy who owns a recycle center and he said the only ones buying metal right now (iron ore) are the chinese.. they are using Dollars which have strengthed to pay lower prices for things they will need.
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
In the middle of summer
Lindsay Williams said crude would get under $50 and would stay there for a year to year and a half. Long enough to bankrupt the arabs. The financial crisis was already under way when fuel was high. Now the tax shortfall because no demand for oil. The bailouts and stimulus will keep coming until the FRN petrodollar is destroyed. Then they will usher in a new currency to "save" us. Lindsay Williams is right. He isn't B'sing.
This Scheme seems to be working. Check this out.
Barneys Buyers Said to Offer Half '07 Price as Dubai Seeks Cash
By Jonathan Keehner, Sara Gay Forden and Haris Anwar
Feb. 11 (Bloomberg) -- Barneys New York’s owner, Dubai’s Istithmar World PJSC, may sell the luxury retailer for less than half what it paid two years ago as the state-owned fund seeks to raise cash to meet debt payments.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=acm_t21J...