As a Christian, do you sometimes have a problem with Ron Paul's responses?

....I choose, by free will, to follow the teaching of Jesus. It's a personal decision, just as I claim Jesus to be my personal savior. I can't claim Jesus Christ to be the savior of the nation, that eliminates the individual liberty of God's children to exercise their God given free will.

For me it is an absolute contradiction to believe in the existence of God and then ask government to advocate my spiritual beliefs. Seems to me I'd be denying my God and making Government my God.

passively accepting evil to usher in a "Second Coming." Jesus WHIPPED the moneychangers, but I don't hear any Christians advocating, "Go and do likewise".

that favors Ron Paul's approach again read
Christians and the Pro-life Ploy by Dr. GC Dilsaver

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig9/dilsaver1.html

The US Constitution.
All it says is: The Congress shall make NO LAW respecting the establishment of a religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
Which means that if you want to pray in school they can't make any law either against it or for it.
The law is clear but there has never been a seperation of Church and state.
Think about! How can someone who has a certain religious point of view check it at the door when he goes to work in congress!

People voting on the basis of religion is the same as voting on the basis of skin color in my eyes. It's the same type of disease that influenced so many black americans to vote for Obama. He's my type of guy, you know, he's black. Same thing as he's my type of guy, you know, christian. I thought we were supposed to vote on the merits of his geo-political, socio-economic, civil rights and other positions of governance that doesn't interfere with article 6 paragraph 3. Guess I was wrong.

The New Amerika just elected a guy with a questionable religious background, I don't see a bible thumping type being able to overcome the current demographics of the USSA.

Ron needs to do what he does best, talk about the economy, the constitution, foreign policy, etc. He does occasionally bring religion into his arguments such as in the debates where he alluded to the rules of christian just war. I think that was totally appropriate and had no problem with it because that particular face of religion makes lots of sense. The problem was that the so-called god loving christian base thought it was, and still think it is appropriate to kill innocent women, children and elderly people in the name on the war on terror. This guilt by association thing the NWO uses to justify murdering innocents is horrific.

Traditional bible thumping, speaking about morality and sinful behavior will only alienate a politician in today's Amerika, whether you like it or not.

I could only imagine the way the msm would treat the good Dr. if he went overboard with religious hyperbole. You thought theyraked him over the coals last time round, you ain't seen nothing yet if the Dr. decides to go the Pat Robertson route.

I am a Christian, but I am also an American. And as an American I blieve in the separation of church and state. I do not want our leaders forcing there religious beliefs on us, even if they are Christians.

As a Christian, I have yet to find one single thing I disagree with him on.There have been a few times when I hesitated, on certain issues, but when I looked beyond first glance, found I agreed with him 100%. He is such a wise and wonderful man-and definitely a fine example of true Christianity. God bless Ron Paul.

"Judge not, lest ye be judged" Jesus Christ

And there was also something about not looking for splinters in your neighbor's eye til you remove the board in your eye.

Yes, Ron Paul lives by that.

"Nuf said"

Ron is a Christian, but he does not propose to subject his religious philosophy on others. As a Christian I appreciate this. Trying to subject others by force to ideas never works.

For those of us who really do know what Ron stands for, liberty and protection of rights and the constitution is central to his beliefs in government. His religion is personal.

I don't want a government telling me what to do, or even a church. That's between me and God. Free will is a gift from god. All governments who try to rule based on biblical authority will always become tyrranous by those in power seeking more of it.

I think Jefferson, who did believe in God, not necessarily a christian, clearly understood that free will was a gift from the almighty. He knew how horribly catholicism subjected people to torture and pillaged them in the past and present. When I say torture I am talking about the catholic state condemning people to death for their beliefs or lack thereof.

I'll take an atheist leader who has no problem with my beliefs and who wants to protect my rights to practice my religion versus a leader who tries to enforce 'christian' values on the population. I think we've seen what happens when we have a crusader in the white house.

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What he say's is between him and the lord.

But does it make the distinction between doing what's right and doing what's right by any means necessary? Is it okay to convert people by force?

I have written in the past between what a difference in philosophy amongst Christians (which cuts across the different sects or christianity, from Catholicism to Evangeicalism) - those who follow what I would call an "Augustinian" approach, that of establishing a moral "city upon a hill" which spreads knowledge of what is right by example, and by being seen; versus what I would call a "Constantine" approach, which seeks to establish hegemony though direct force or implied force.

This is consistent with a broader American tradition; the Puritans (pilgrims) used this exact phrase as the guiding principle behind their early settlement of Massachussets (although they abandoned the principle shortly after). And perhaps with the exception of the Monroe doctrine, the US foreign policy before "Imperialism-lite" of the late 19th century, also adhered to this principle.

Dr Paul's philosophy in this matter is very consistent. He does not seek to use government as a heavy-handed instrument to promote christian moralities. A very important thing is to remember, it that in government (unlike in life) is not enough to do what is right; one must do what is right, and what one has the *authority* to do.

No, never

There is no conflict between the perfect law of liberty and the Bible. By stating someone has the free will do do what they want with their lives as long as the do not violate the rights of another does not imply that you agree with their actions.

Does God agree with or condone sin because he gave us the free will to sin?

if he supports a Theocracy or even appears to only represent Christians. Ron Paul, like Jesus, God, or the Great Being, represents all people, NOT JUST CHRISTIANS!!!

And I except the few he may have over the multitudes of those other Godless individuals who are perpetraring this destruction of our world as we know it!

Your either a shill and a plant, need more forgiveness or need more self reflection and prayer about your owm sins. Get a life!

"Whenever I despair, I remember that the way of truth and love has always won. There may be tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they may seem invincible, but in the end, they always fail. Think of it: always"
Gandhi

themselves. People can choose to live by God's laws or not. Ron Paul's view is that these decisions should not be made by the federal gov't, we need to argue and debate them locally.
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it does not strickly follow the Bible, because the Founder's were against a Catholic or Anglelican type monarchy rule over the people. One problem most Christians have, is they listen to what their Preachers tell them, instead of what it actually says in the Bible. Dr. Baldwin was asked, when running for President, what he disliked about Ron Paul's policies. Baldwin replied, that he agrees with everything Dr. Paul believes in, and also affirmed that Paul is a strong Christian, but he must follow the laws of the Constitution. Go to www.anotheruntoldstory.com to listen to what the Bible really says on many political issues, and be sure to go to the second page, to find out if you are a Christian or not. I wasn't, since I have been listening to what I was told, instead of what the Bible says.

My, my, my, look at the intolerance being stupidly proclaimed. The Daily Paul is for all who love and support Ron Paul. BUt individual posts requesting responses from a particular class of supporters ought to be respected.

All of you who responded who are not Christians and do not have the spirit of Christ (love righteousness and hate iniquity, Hebrews 1:8,9) should have respectfully left this post alone. You have the freedom to read whatever posts you want, but to respond to a request not directed to you is rude and shows a spirit of insolence and intolerance. You're the reason so many "Christians have been so easily driven away from thr Ron Paul Revolution. You can't leave well enough alone.

Stick your nose where it doesn't belong and it just might get pinched.

So many of the posts in these six pages have been rude and judgmental.
Christopher X only was wondering if any other Christians were bothered by a seeming compromising answer by Ron Paul.

I was disappointed as well, at first. Then I realized that:
1) Ron Paul is not perfect and might not always respond in the best way every time, after all he is human.
2) He does try very hard to keep his personal, religious beliefs from being politicized, or seen as leaning toward a desire for a theocracy instead of a Republic.

I believe Ron Paul is first,a Christian, and second a congressman. But we do not see him at home or in private. We only see him in his role as congressman. His appeal is broader because he has learned to maintain the difference between livng as a Christian and governing as a constitutionalist.

It is very difficult to do this. Jesus, who is God in flesh, when He was on earth recognized the difference between judgment (condemnation) an speaking the truth. He told the truth about everything, but did not judge. He came to save, not to destroy. Ron Paul is just not as good at it as Jesus, but I give Ron Paul a lot of credit. In all my life, I've never met anyone quite like him. But he's not perfect.

My great respect for him, causes me to hope no one sees the faults I see. And I do not wish to point them out except to my closest friends.

So, ChristopherX, I respect your desire to find out if anyone else has a problem with Ron Paul's answers in that interview. And I agree that sin should be called sin, but that sometimes a direct answer is not the thing to do at a given moment, in certain circumstances, as Jesus illustrated a few times.

In retrospect, I think Ron Paul wishes he had turned the question to a question of his own, as it seems he tried to do. So I do not blame him or think less of him. I can't help but wonder how many times I have failed to be a wise as I could be if I were not so fallible.

God bless you for your stand for righteousness. Sorry you had to get pummelled by belligerents that do not read very well and enter discussions not meant for them, but hey, that's what happens when you post in a forum filled with people who want freedom to do whatever the "blankety-blank" they want to do.

They don't understand freedom, and are witnessing the gradual and increasing loss of them because of disrespect for the Author of Liberty.

Grace and Peace be unto you, by Christ Jesus, our LORD!

Because he IS a religious man, who does not wear it on his sleeve.
If he stood up and professed that his beliefs would the basis for all of his decisions, I would drop him like a hot potato.
His is a perfect balance of personal beliefs, and real world decision making.

does not give me the right to judge others or say what is in their hearts.

If they commit a crime against others, we have a right to stop them, but we do not have a right to force them to our beliefs. Just because someone is gay does not give you or me the right to judge them.

I am Catholic, and gay people and divorced people are allowed in my church. The pastor feels that just because someone is dealing with a difficult issue, they should not be cut off from religion. He knows he is not God, and God is the only one who can judge.

Christians who judge other prople are not being real Christians. We are to love one another. That is the number one rule for Christians. Too many so called Chistians do not do that one simple thing.

The government should not even be in the business of marriage. Marriage is a sacrament, not a legal contract.

The thing is, is that government is not God, nor does it posess any Godlike powers. Whether the government allows gay marriage or not doesnt matter, or the pledge in schools matter, none of this matters. The government is not the authority. For example. If youre gay and want to be married is just as wrong as if it were legal. This country is not a worse place if the crooks in Washington make it legal. Those peope with those intentions still exist. Everyone has to answer to their maker. Every action has its consequence and each and every one of us are held to that. If these people can find a church to honor that, so be it. It's called free will.

Matthew 7:3-5

Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

We are all sinners.

doesn't jesus talk about "hiding" your religion. something about praying in your room and not in the public.....maybe thats why? or maybe he doesn't like to mix political views with religious views LIKE THE CONSTITUTION EXPLICITLY ASKS. this is why christians cannot be taken seriously in politics, people like you and Baldwin ruin their reputation.

go around 'professing' Christianity, yet failing miserably as an American citizen all because you don't seem to realize that when it comes to the political arena, Congressmen/women being representatives of their constituents of many many different views and beliefs, must remain impartial to religious thought. In other words, 'secular'

And rightly so since the Constitution places direct limitations regarding religion and free exercise of religion with the 1st Amendment of the Constitution:

'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.'

Wikipedia:

"The First Amendment to the United States Constitution is the part of the United States Bill of Rights that expressly prohibits the United States Congress from making laws "respecting an establishment of religion" or that prohibit the free exercise of religion, laws that infringe the freedom of speech, infringe the freedom of the press, limit the right to peaceably assemble, or limit the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

Dr. Paul has to my knowledge been exceptionally consistent in his thoughts, words, and deeds. Expressing his convictions concerning good laws and bad laws and good and bad foreign policy, from his record alone and his many speeches, seems to be completely in harmony with the moral and ethical ideals of the spirit of the laws and intentions of our Constitution.

I have no problem with Chuck Baldwin, but I do have issues with those Christians who flock to him as though he would somehow bestow 'religious dominance' upon all the other Americans who may not share the same religious beliefs.

And Christopher X, what astonishes me so much about what you are stating here, is that you 'assume' all Christians 'agree' on the myriad interpretations, academically and theologically, that is in fact quite the battleground.

If one cannot accept that 'God' has created each of us equally, then I suggest you find another country to live in, because this statement from our Declaration provides the solid philosophic foundation upon which we have deemed received our natural inalienable rights.

it's funny you posted this because that's why i did not vote for chuck. i like chuck but wish he would not bring religion into everything.

i think Ron Paul handled this crazy scripture quoting bigot well, Dr. Paul was constitutionally and morally pragmatic in his responses.

"he will not stand up for what the Bible says is right and wrong"
"to be a Christian, Ron Paul would need to stand up and say that what the Bible says is true and correct"

here's some of what the bible says
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6PDY4SDSG4
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“A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement” - Thomas Jefferson

what you are saying. I have felt a little frustrated at times. But I have decided that Ron Paul is careful not to wear two hats at once. I believe he is a very good and spiritual man in private life. I believe his love of Christ is brought into all he does in his public life. But, he isn't a minister, he is a politician. He has tried to walk in the halls of power for the good of his fellow man. He is intelligent enough to know that he cannot be aggressively Christian in today's political world without surrendering his credibility. He has chosen to try to waken people to the dangers presented by our current system of government. These dangers threaten our material good, but more importantly, our right to worship God. Ron Paul knows we have only moments left in which to act before the darkness comes for all. I also voted for Chuck Baldwin. I did so because he was endorsed by Ron Paul. That fact should truly illustrate that Ron Paul is a devoted Christian.

If you disagree with Ron Paul on any issue, I'm not quite sure you know what it means to be a christian.

If Christians followed the teachings of Christ the admonishments of Jesus then they'd focus less on the Bible and more on "direct communion" -- as Jesus said, "the kingdom of God is Within.....know ye not that ye are Gods"

From "within" Jesus found un-conditional love for Mary Magdalene (the prostitute) -- he admonished the nearby Jews for condeming her.

Rather than "Christians" most are "Churchists"

The Bible is a guide and we know it wasn't written by the hand of God -- the closest to Christ's actual words come from John and how close are people to that level of forgiveness and un-conditional love?

God gives us free-will to make mistakes and ONLY we pay for them -- thus we should do the same for others.

That being said -- what does Ron Paul ascribe that a "real" Christian would not?

The aiotola homeni. Are we going to have a theocratic government.
then be ruled by Hitlers like you!
In America we are supposed to have religious freedom for all not just for Bible thumping believers but all!
Do you believe that God would want parents to put to their child to death
if they were disobedient. Well God says to do so in Leviticus.
The very same God you believe in. Or if a daughter swares to burn her to death.
Do you still believe everything in the Bible is true?
If you pick up a stick on the sabbath you shall be put to death!
If thy right hand offend thee cut it off!
If thy right eye offend the pluck it out!
Anyone plucked their eye out lately?
Or has anyone executed their kids for being disobedient.
Wake up

You have all of these high ideals, but you are no where near reality.

Most so called Christians have made a mess of this country .

Why don't you accept that Christians as a whole have failed America and work on your people instead of picking on Ron Paul for not being a "Holy Avenger" as you imagine yourself.

or not and support a system based on man made laws. This only leads to enslavement. ALL politicians are members of that system! The system is what keeps us believing in the lie. Believing in a system, in which you are taxed upon your labor is a system of enslavement. They're our masters! Of course they are going to talk about reform! It's another method to keep you beliveing in the lie/system. It keeps them in business!

that ye be judged. Only God sees into the heart. I have no problem with Ron Paul, because he advocates God given freedom of choice.

The interviewer is clearly trying to get Ron to condem homosexuality in no uncertian terms. While I agree that homosexuality is a sin this is a divisive interview. The government has no business in our bedrooms or promoting sexual preferences to the masses.

Homosexuals/adulteres will answer to God ultimatley - but not the government.

It can't be...can it?

a problem with it. He seems more Christian than most Christians I've run across.

I'm a christian and have been for many years and I personally don't like politicians like a mike huckabee getting votes because of shouting out Bible facts in debates.. alot of "christian" politicians have non christian beliefs in the political world. I think religion should be left out of the political arena and we should be more concerned about our rights and freedom to do with our life as we wish and that includes what we believe. saving souls and preaching the gospel is for missionaries and the church not the politicians. Ron Paul declared his faith in a way I respect much more than those who shout it out everywhere. Also his views and what he stands for is how a christian should believe anyway.