Daily Chemtrail Report...
Posted March 6th, 2009 by Nui
What's it like in your neck of the woods?
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Was going to list willthomasonline.net
here, but I see it in the above list. Listened to him on Coast to Coast talk about cell phone and wireless devices dangers and hazards and went to his website. It is full of information. Very informative.
http://www.willthomasonli...
Got a few more shots the other day...
and all of these "clouds" are from chemtrails.
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Even as the sun was setting, they were still at it.
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And of course, this one is always worth reposting.
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Suzanne...
Nice shots. The last one looks very similar to what I see daily in Massachusetts/Connecticut. Thanks for posting.
Those look alot like what I
Those look alot like what I see here in NE Wisconsin. This is absolutely sickening. The Chemtrail debunkers do not want to admit the truth, for it is a hard to do to admit that your own government (Bankers) would be so evil. Just like it takes alot of Courage to admit 911 did not happen as we were told and the twin towers did not collaspe from 767's striking them. Or the fact that building 7 collapsed and not a word was ever mentioned except by the BBC, and that was before it even collapsed.
Chemtrail and 911 debunkers are living in a fantasy world. Once you admit to yourself 911 was an inside job and Chemtrails happen every day, it makes the event that took place on Monday, November 16th with the DHS harassing Pastor David Manning in Karlem NY looks like the Gestapo will not tolerate any more criticism. We are in deep doo do.
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny."- Thomas Jefferson
The local conservative talk show guy was talking about it.
And as luck would have it, one of those nasty black-line spewing mugs was flying over when someone called. He LOOKED UP... and began to wonder aloud, on air... He kept commenting through the show, "Can you people see that? Man, it is still there!" By then end of the show, he was saying "That guy got in my head. Now I am going to wonder."
THAT is the first dazed blinks of a man about to awaken... if he lets his curiosity get the best of him!
Who was it?
Wondering?
Nate Shelman
KBOI 670 Boise
nate@kboi.com if you want to email him and thank him for being brave enough to even question it. :)
Oh, thanks
I will right now.
There is potential legitimacy to some of the worries...
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/n...
I think you might find this reading interesting...
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THANK YOU!!!
I read that post 9-11 study months, maybe years ago, and have never been able to find it since!
You're welcome... :)
I hope it helps you in learning more as that should be everyone's goal.
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That article was written...
By a Kook.
And your reason for saying that?
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Contrails having an effect...
On the weather?
Come on.....that's kooky.
That's like saying if you believe
in global warming, you could
actually cool the Earth by distributing
artificial clouds to keep her cool.
Come on......
;)
lol...
Oh, ok, you were being sarcastic... :)
I think this is an excellent article to show that there can be some middle ground. I won't argue that contrails don't have an impact. Anything that has the potential to create a cloud can have significant impact, especially given our love of flying.
Further, there are many people here who complain that they make their days overcast and crappy. That is clearly a fact of contrails in high traffic areas, and is unfortunate.
My argument is with the chemtrail statements, and claimed coverups associated.
As I said earlier, we can discuss whether or not contrails are a bad/not bad thing... But if anyone wants to discuss the harm of a chemtrail with me, they need to first prove that's what they are talking about. Even you... :)
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How about the idea of....
Dispersing tiny metalic particles
into the atmosphere for the star wars program
Is that possible?
If so, what if those tiny particles fell to
the ground and unsuspecting life forms
inhaled them and it made them sick.
Is that possible?
Anything is possible...
As I have said many times. That does not make it true.
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Do you believe in God?
If so....mmmmmmmm
No, I am an atheist...
Toying with buddhism... But I am an atheist. I may not always be nice, I may not always be right, but I am always at least logically consistent (within the boundaries of human limitation).
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Be careful....
There are a lot of "kooky" claims
in that religion as well.
;)
Not exactly...
The path of a buddhist is individual, and not restricted. It is more about personal growth than it is about specific metaphysical beliefs. I have no interest in the metaphysical belief system, but I do find the goal of self-improvement to be intensely interesting.
However, I am just toying with the idea... And I will of course remain an atheist, regardless.
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Do you type...
In the full Lotus position?
;)
lol... I probably should....
It would help my back problem... lol... :)
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There is at least cloud seeding going on here
That is why the topic came up, and then some caller was astute enough to call and tell him to look out the window at the right time.
And why do you insist I prove something to you, when my claim is "I don't know what is going on?" THEY have provided a story, I can see with my own eyes it is false. "Just normal traffic" - well, I have done week over week comparisons, and most Mondays, I see about a dozen jets with contrails that vary with temperature, humidity, etc. Then one Monday will come along where I see a dozen an hour, and they all leave trails that linger for hours, and sometimes the trails stop and start with precision at perpendicular trail lines... Anyway, I can't "prove" anything to you. All I can tell you is "Look up, keep an open mind."
And how 'bout this? I am trying to get off grid with a solar component to my plan. When I moved here, we had an average of 300 sunny days per year, and a sunny day around here was an endless expanse of cerulian blue. Now our "sunny" days are RARE. We always have a white mist over the sky, and I hate to even go to the valley. Coming over the mountain, you can see what those folks are breathing... ICK.
Proof is required for a claim...
You are making a claim that there is cloud seeding, so you must prove that claim. Cloud seeding is possible, cloud seeding has been done. However, the claim that contrails are a cloud seeding program is not true, unless you can prove that it is, which there has been no evidence provided of such.
I am not trying to be rude. Just trying to help those in this thread reason through this.
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Wolfe
Why won't you comment my NASA question? Should I take your silence as some sort of submission? I've noticed you do this quite often. I'll see that someone raises a particularly good point or has some really compelling information for you to look at and suddenly you abandon that specific conversation << insert cricket sounds >> and instead you go and start over with your same tired nonsense somewhere else within the thread. I liken it to a marathon runner who runs a mile and sees other runners fly right by him. He realizes he has no chance so instead of pushing himself harder he goes and looks for another race where the exact same thing happens. Every race leads to the exact same result. All starts but no finishes.
Actually....
Once again, you just flat out lie and twist. I have almost always gotten the last word. Crickets happen after I submit science and get no response. Not the other way around. But you make that claim so that people who don't read far enough down will just believe you.
I didn't respond to that particular statement because you weren't asking a serious question. You had already drawn your conclusion and it was clear what your point was.
However, it should be clear to anyone reading, that your question itself was absurd. The fact that NASA published information on an experiment that they were doing puts the lie to your claims of secret government coverups.
But you phrased the question in the hopes of drawing a specific answer. "What if" style questions like that are useless. Let's rephrase your question, "Well, what if NASA covered it up, would you still claim that there was no coverup?"
That is the heart of your question and is absolutely ridiculous and can't be answered intelligently, and can't be asked intelligently either which is why I don't expect any better from you.
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Wolfe, fine...
... you like direct questions. Here are some direct questions jotted down for the sole purpose of getting one to think.
- Did NASA perform the Aluminum Oxide cloud experiment?
- Why do you believe they would spend 173 million dollars to study a cloud? Because of the "pretty lights" they say clouds at that altitude make? Would you agree that would be a very expensive light show?
- Do you believe somebody got the multimillion dollar sign-off to study the pretty cloud for kicks or do you believe there is the intent to find applications based on the results?
- What could those applications be?
- Is it possible they didn't cover "that one" up because it was too big and too obvious to cover up and so they decided to spin it as an opportunity for space fans to eat popcorn with their kids and watch their live telecast?
- Where do the remnants of NASA's pretty cloud go?
- Do they settle to Earth?
- If so, does it effect us here on the ground?
- If so, does Aluminum Oxide make us healthier?
- If not, did we sign off on the fact that this cloud might negatively effect us down here?
- If it does effect us negatively (and scientists/military know it does) do you believe that they don't give a crap whether it effects us negatively or not? Or if they do care about us, that it is not enough to forgo the experiment?
- If they can do all this to us to study a pretty cloud with no intent of developing an application OTHER THAN producing pretty clouds, is it possible that they perform similar experiments without our permission for what they would consider "more important" applications?
- Based on this test is it possible to create clouds by releasing Aluminum Oxide into the atmosphere/ionosphere using aircraft?
- Based on the fact that they have admitted to this particular test, and that scientists will admit that Aluminum Oxide is not healthy for humans to inhale or ingest, do you honestly believe that they would tell you, me, us if they were spraying it daily across the country for "more important" applications?
- If they wouldn't tell us about this do you believe that they would instead do everything in the power to prevent us from learning about and/or proving that they are doing this?
- If they indeed would do anything to prevent us from learning the truth, is is possible that they could pay someone like yourself to spend your days contradicting the rest of us in this thread when you could simply leave the thread and make your life a whole lot easier?
I only got through your first false statement...
The study was, as long as we are referring to the same one, to study upper atmosphere weather patterns, not pretty colors. And yes, I believe they have spent a lot more than that on a lot dumber things to study.
I stopped reading the comment at that point because I have to get to work, and it was clear from that false statement that you made that you have no interest in truth. In addition, once again you attempt to write questions to draw specific answers that you have already predetermined. The answers I gave above, I think, covers your entire post sufficiently.
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Hmmm.
I write questions to draw specific answers? How exactly can I do that? You can answer those questions ANY way you want to.
NOW you have to get to work? That sounds very convenient to me but we can let the thread sort that out.
And.... Mr. "I am a man of science and facts"
NASA was NOT studying weather patterns as you so boldly stated.
From NASA's site - http://www.nasa.gov/cente...
"Data collected during the experiment will provide insight into the formation, evolution, and properties of noctilucent clouds, which are typically observed naturally at high latitudes."
The noctilucent clouds are those that I'd referred to as "pretty clouds". If you research them you will at least agree that some people would find them pretty.
i saw some proper contrails
i saw some proper contrails yesterday in the sky. i was amazed. no camera on hand sadly as i wanted to photograph some distinctions between what i witnessed as an isolated, quickly dissipating contrail at 40k feet vs the 'usual' stuff which is much lower in altitude and lasts the rest of the whole day.
The bay area is a pretty good neighborhood to spot chemtrail activity, namely because it happens here on a nearly daily basis. but theres one interesting observation to be made about the chemtrail appearances in the area. they exist from spring - fall and are virtually non-existent when the weather is cooler (<60 degrees).
those that believe that otherwise these lingering whispy cloud formations spawned from jet aircraft wake just seem like they are in denial of the fact that there is _something_ going on. perhaps you guys havent been exposed to enough sightings?
Hey wolfe,
How much do you get paid to spout your ignoramus thoughts on sites like this? Is it worth the price of your soul?
I do it pro bono...
For those who read and would like to research facts and information as opposed to speculation and opinions.
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Wolfe, Water Vapor is Steam
I know you like sounding smart. But stop being a contridicting yourself. 1 minute you believe in chemtrails. The next minute you are arguing that chemtrails and contrails are the exact same thing
reread.
_at no point did I say that I believed in the chemtrail nonsense and never said they were the same thing because contrails actually exist.
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If you are saying you don't
If you are saying you don't believe in chemtrails, which are trails left by aircraft that leave chemicals in the air.... then you truly are ignorant.
So I'm assuming you don't believe there are weather modification programs around the world? Which they do in fact spread chemicals throughout the sky/crops/targeted outbreaks of certain insects.
You've got it all wrong assuming everyone in here hasn't done their research. Have you called places, looked into the histories and pieced together the information yourself? I have and I stand by my opinion no matter how much of a troll you seem to be.
Are ALL trails that stay in the sky a long amount of time some sort of chemical trail? Of course not, jet streams are out there all the time but when you see a large amount over a city certain days and the next few days or weeks are empty skies... how can you explain where the airplanes went? People still travel every single day.
"Oh, foolish man, what can you not be made to believe?" - Adam Weishaupt
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Crop dusting...
Of course there is crop dusting and cloud seeding (as done by the Chinese).
The chemtrail theory specifically claims that contrails are chemtrails, and is covered up by the government. That is ridiculous.
I am willing to discuss facts and information. In fact, if you could point to something and say, "that makes it different than a contrail", I would review it. The problem is that the "chemtrail" people, probably yourself included, make claims that it must be a chemtrail because of X, and X invariable is just a property of a contrail as proven with facts and weather science.
For instance, the duration claim. Duration of a contrail is dictated by factors of humidity, air pressure, temperature and altitude. As I have stated and shown many times.
But show me info that I haven't already analyzed verified and or disproven, and I would be happy to look at it. I actually care about knowledge, not opinions which is what makes me different than many in this thread. If you don't care about knowledge, expect no respect from me. If you care about knowledge, then you can expect a mutually interesting and educational conversation.
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Wolfe .....
Off topic but....that philosophy of Liberty
link you have.....is that your web site?
Just curious.
Nope...
Just one that I respect a lot. I love the simplicity of the movie. I also like the way that they give step by step instructions on how to form your own liberty group (on the main website)... :)
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Yup...the message is good...
But I found it a tad too long.
The flute music was starting
to make me dizzy.
Kind of how I feel after a massive
dose of "contrails".
;)
roflmao...
THat is a very valid criticism... :) Oh, and teh main website has a book for sale too. It is a tale of a boy from a libertarian country who is stranded on a statist island and he goes around trying to learn how and why they do things. I have been meaning to buy the book because it looks awesome, but haven't yet.
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Yes....
I saw that as well, looks like
an interesting read.
I wonder if there are chemtrails
on that island.
;)
Interesting link.....
http://www.californiaskyw...
They say the PUBLIC is the problem
CHEMTRAILS are the problem. Humanity doesn't pollute any place near what chemtrails do.
Question..
Wolfe, VLBC. If NASA had not announced that it was launching a rocket that would disperse an aluminum oxide cloud over the Easter seaboard, and had they not showed it live for the world to see on their website, would you have believed they were doing it? I doubt it, you would have been arguing that it was a contrail fart of epic proportions.
"a contrail fart of landmark proportions"
LOL!
Now THAT is a funny line!
Quick..we need to get those guys some"truth glasses"
see: http://www.youtube.com/wa...
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Liberty...
If you invent them, I'll market them. We'd make a killing.
And I couldn't decide between Landmark and Epic. Guess I should have left Landmark.. ; )
And great vid link btw. Well done.
And, it's Eastern seaboard not Easter.
We need to march on Washington/ NYC
We all need to organize a march on New York/ Washington soon, and this should be treated as an emergency.
This is the type of thing that if government does, they have crossed the line into being murderers, I don't think we should be hesitating too much for action on this issue. 20+ years of experience in the Air Force makes me qualified enough to know a contrail from material a being placed in the air I was in denial for months, but you can't deny what's going on.
kentrailer
Tell us more about your service. Please give the naysayers some proof so we can move on.
What made you change your mind?