What is the Point of Going to College?
Submitted by annien on Sat, 03/07/2009 - 06:34
As I sit here cramming for the end of the quarter, I find myself becoming more and more frustrated with college and wether there is any point to it. I have spent all these years working towards my degree. I have maintained my GPA faithfully. I now find myself in my senior year, and wonder if I can even get a job when I graduate.
If I do get a job... most of my money will be taken to give to those who didn't sacrifice what I have, or those who have made stupid decisions economically. Both my husband and I grew up very poor. One Christmas I received only a toothbrush as my mom could not really afford a gift and knew I needed the toothbrush. Mind you she worked three jobs and never took welfare. My husband joined the military which paid for his schooling. But because he now has a decent job, I don't qualify for any aid, and we have had to take out loans for my schooling. So when I do get a job, I'll be paying that too.. It's seems I'd have been much better off just waitressing; which is what I was doing before college. I feel no motivation at all. I am taking political science and economics and do not agree with what is being taught, but fell like dissent will only result in a bad grade. But I really don't even care about my grade anymore. I'd quit right now if I didn't owe the student loans.
I feel like I should be focusing on getting my family prepared for the coming doom, but still attempt to trudge on regurgitating all the BS that I learn. My husband says it's valuable to learn the other perspective, and I can see that; but it is so frustrating when my future has dimmed so greatly.
This push towards socialism is NOT the way to get this country back on track! Is there anyone else out there in the same boat?
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You obtain a credential
...nothing to do with education
Read John Taylor Gatto's book
Weapons of Mass Instruction. In it he talks about a study of 50 colleges where they tested incoming freshmen and outgoing seniors. In 16 of the colleges, including some Ivy league ones, the freshman scored higher, in the other 34 there was no difference in the scores. Bill Gates, Michael Dell and other big names in the computer industry never got degrees, or got them after they were mega successes.
I have an advanced degree, but most of what I know has come from self-education because I didn't learn what I need to know sitting in a class room.
The purpose is...
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i commented here
before, but i am just commenting again to get a little feedback. I said before that you should stay in college and get your degree and stuff and i still think you should do that. My situation is that I am a freshman in college majoring in computer engineering and I was planning on going to grad school and all of this, but that plan, in my mind, just seems to be a giant waste of time, but yet again, i don't know what else i would do if i didn't go other than job-search. anyway, i still feel like you should stay in college, and i am going to find more reason to stay in college other than my parents telling me to do it.
IF you have been fed the "go to college,
get a degree" from most of your peers - you are not alone.
After reading quite a few books and exchanging ideas and thoughts with like minded people, here is how I am mentoring my granddaughter.
Go to college to FIGURE out what you WANT TO DO and find your UNIQUE ability. Formal college degrees are for those who require a specific license and/or education, ie doctor, lawyer, etc etc. I was at a forum which had two PCP's (married to each other) attending trying to decide what their unique ability was - obviously it was more that being a doctor.
Because of the huge debt they incurred, I inquired why they became doctors? Well, since they came from that background, it was an assumption by their parents that they never challenged.
1) think abut what your unique ability may be. We don't recognize it in ourselves, so ask everyone who knows you - what are you good at - what are you drawn to? Does it require a degree or do you just need to pursue it?
2) don't take a job just for the money. If you do, have it be temp and just a stepping stone to your real interest and unique ability (you want money to survive and help with the loans)
3) take a job, even though the pay may be less, at something that interests you. Volunteering and/or donating time to something that interests you puts you around like-minded people who can help you. NOTHING worse than going to a job you hate just for the money. A job which may require you to go against your principles just to stay "in good stead" can drain you mentally and physically.
Being discouraged is not helpful. If you went to school just to get a job for "the money" you've made a mistake. Don't compound it by continuing. You are not alone.
Read "The Prosperity Paradigm" by Steven D'annunzio (sp?) to help you find your unique ability and soul purpose.
"Killing Sacred Cows" by Garrett Gunderson and Stephen Palmer
"Rich Dad/Poor Dad" by Robert Kiyosaki (and his other books)
You've already admitted they are teaching you "crap" - why pay for more? You do NOT need a formal eduction to be successful.
"Millionaire Dropout" is another good book.
If you go only after the money, it will not come. If you go after your interests and unique ability, the money will follow -and you will be happy!
Maybe...
you could do some sort of intern/fellowship program. I hate to say to work for the govt, but they do have programs where you can actually work, get paid, and be pretty much given a permanent position in your field upon graduation.
Here is one: http://www.opm.gov/employ/students/index.asp
Here is another: http://www.amc.army.mil/pa/fellowsflyer.pdf I would do this one if I were single without kids. They are looking for students with a GPA of 3.45 or above in a variety of majors including computer engineering. It is a five year program and you get a progessively greater salary each year; the first years starts at $35,000, and the fifth year is between $75,000-$83,000. You get full benefits, they pay for your schooling, and you are guaraunteed a high paying army civilian job when you are done. The best part is you would have no debt!! And probably money in the bank. The thing is they want employees that are experienced in many different venues of their field, so you move to different locations each year. I couldn't be away from my young son for that long, it would break his heart. But you sound younger and less tied down. Maybe it would work for you. But don't go getting into debt for school. The next recruitment is from Nov. 1, 2009 - Feb. 12, 2010. Good luck! I hope that helps..
don't give up.. get your
don't give up.. get your grades and get your degree.. you have made it this far. I felt the same when I was in college. I knew what they were teaching in business and economics was pure keynsian, socialist BS. remember this.. you are young, when this thing breaks down your skills will be needed to rebuild. You know what the truth is.. you can use that to help rebuild. Things look bleak right now but sometime they will turn.
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
Free College
I know you are already through most of college, but for young people who don't need a degree to qualify their profession, consider going to work for a few companies over the next 4 years instead of going to college. In fact, work for them for FREE if you have to. It will still be cheaper than going to college and you'll gained a lot of needed experience in the real world.
I didn't go to college, I got a job and learned a trade. Plus, I got paid while I did it. By the time I was 22, I was already making double what any college student was making in my field. I was at the top of my field for my age.
My route wasn't the typical, but I was motivated and I have no college debt. I never looked back and I make a great living now, 20 years later. I am still in the same field, work from home, my own boss, and have a business worth something.
So you can go to college, get about $50-100k in debt and work for the next 4-12 years paying it off, or you can start work now and do something. Just my 2 cents.
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A great empire, like a great cake, is most easily diminished at the edges. - Ben Franklin
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A great empire, like a great cake, is most easily diminished at the edges. - Ben Franklin
The idea of the University
If I remember my Cardinal Newman lessons correctly, the Idea of the University was to produce gentlemen (and women), who would then go out into the world and make themselves good doctors, lawyers, statesmen, businessmen, etc. The University was supposed to transfer the best of culture to a new generation, so they could carry on the best of our traditions. (By the way, debate in a college setting is supposed to be encouraged...so don't regurgitate what the teachers say as if it were "truth," but rather demonstrate mastery of the subject by taking their positions and critique them, supporting your position with logic and facts. You'd be surprised at how much most college teachers would appreciate a demonstration of real intelligence in otherwise soul-dead classrooms.)
To some extent, that is what all liberal arts colleges do. Much of what they teach has no practical application in the short run, but if the student approaches higher education with the idea of having their mind expanded, then the college experience can be very rewarding for the rest of his/her life.
This is not the path for everyone. If more immediate practical matters are foremost in your mind (getting a job, earning money, leveraging a degree into a promotion, etc.) then college will probably be a waste of time and money. There are a lot of unemployed BA's, BS's, and MBA's out there.
I have a BA in English and History. Utterly useless...except that I can write an awesome memo. Nevertheless, I would not have traded my college experience for anything. I still read Shakespeare (for fun!), study economic history (for fun!). I am sought out, on occasion, for my views on current events because of my perspectives (I try not to volunteer...nobody appreciates a know-it-all or butt-in-ski, nor do they listen to them) because, I believe, my knowledge base is more well-rounded than that of the typical consumer of tv news.
My advice: finish what you started. Draw every last kernel of knowledge out of every course (even the ones that seem to be full of bs) and look forward to a life a little more rich that it would otherwise have been.
Never completed college
Never completed college but found a job that I love a lot. The funny thing is my job takes a special breed of man to do so I am pretty lucky. I can't even bitch about the pay as a matter of fact I dont want anymore raises because after you make the six digits uncle sam screws you hard core. So college doesn't = more money and to be honest going to a technical school will likely pay you more money in the long run unless you want to be a doctor. The way I look at it whom wants to fix the toilet or re-wire a house? Most people go to college so they don't have to do that crap.
You could...
You could get a job that pays you a lot of money but you hate it. You could get a job that doesn't pay as much as you thought it would with a degree and hate it. You could get a degree and not even be able to get a job and hate it. You could not go to college and get a job and hate it also. You could have a dream of playing guitar in a post-punk/post-hardcore band that tours all the time and writes complex, innovative music all while not caring whether you become "famous" or "rich" or caring what your family and friends think of your decisions, just to find out that there isn't anybody else out there that has the guts to put themselves out there and take a chance going on tour because they were too afraid of failure and uncertainty when everybody put pressure on them to give up their dreams and just go to college and get a "normal job".
Remember, no matter what choice you make, your at the mercy of other people less intelligent and brave than yourself almost all the time. This is my personal experience thus far... :(
So...
You're a musician?? Just guessing. I agree with you though. My mom always said, "It's better to do what you love and make peanuts, than to do something you hate and make big bucks! You can never put a price on any moment of your life, so you may as well be enjoying yourself!".
yeah
but I'm still dependent on other people wanting to be musicians and treat a band like more than a just hobby and its most difficult thing to deal with since I got out of high school. I guess you just don't realize how many people choose to live in a state of fear and settle for mediocrity until you experience it for yourself. I know some really talented people, who for whatever reason don't believe in themselves so they're still just working a crap job and pretending to take music seriously. Frustrating...
So...
You're serious, and they are not. That sucks to have to depend on others motivation to be sucessful. Maybe you need to break up and form a new band? You can call it "annien". Just kiddin'. You could cal it, "Liberty's Soul" or something to that effect, and sing about freedom, our corrupt govt. etc. What genre do you perform? Rock, blues?
Run far and fast
So much for the past three years huh? Time to get on with learning and life.
My daughter chose not to go to college. Heck, she even quit school after the 8th grade. She homeschooled for the high school years using an interest-based, self-directed curriculum from Clonlara School.
By her early 20's she had people with MBA's working under her! Now, in her mid-30's, she is VP and North American Managing Director of a multi-million dollar, multi-national company.
Government "schooling" teaches you what to think, in most cases not how to think. Time for you to get on with real-world learning. You'll be a year or two ahead of your classmates who choose to stay in the artificial world known as a government classroom.
"What have you done for Ron Paul today"?
Wow!
You must be very proud of your daughter! I wish there were an internet program for me in my high school years. My mom was schooled as a teacher, but quit teaching before I was born. I'm pretty old though (39), so she learned the old ways of teaching, so I learned a lot before even going to kindergarten. It was too easy. The only educational challenge I felt was the few years I went to private Catholic school. I don't agree with Catholicism, but the education was great; they taught individually to each childs' level. And they really pushed you. When I went back to public school, it was so easy. I thought that eventually the cirriculum would catch up to me; in a few courses it did (in high school), but mostly I was bored. This, in combination with the fact that I was very shy, led me to hate school. My mom encouraged me to go to college, but I dropped out as well. If I had gone to college then, maybe it would have been a better fit for me. But, now I am older and more wise; I know BS when I see it. But, I agree that you do not need a degree to be successful. I guess I was a bit spoiled, because my first two years in college, I had an amazing professor who never told us what to think, but challenged us to think. AND he never judged our conclusions, even if they were in disagreement with his own. I am homeschooling my son though, and he is progressing much faster than he was in school. His teacher last year told me. "he doesn't pay attention in class!". I was concerned, but became upset when he received all A's on his tests. How can that be? Maybe he was bored? I was a dreamer too!
Ah, college
I miss the days of kegers and free super fast internet access for downloading movies and music.
I really should have paid for that degree. Not because I would have learned anything I haven't taught my self. Just because they look nice on the wall and might help me get a job if I ever decide to work for someone other than my self.
Go ahead and finish. You're almost there. If you find yourself in debt without a job, you can always sell the degree on e-bay.
Seriously, though. I dropped out after my freshman year because I hate school. It has always felt like an enormous waste of time to me. Instead of finishing my degree, I went and build a successful company. I think that will look better on my resume than just another CS degree.
Degrees don't make people intelligent. They don't teach people anything. I know plenty of people with degrees that don't know anything the average gas station attendant doesn't know. They're just more pretentious.
Historically..
education was only for those who could afford it - the rich. I studied economics and philosophy and while they have little job value, I feel I am poised to see through the ridiculous arguments our gov't and the rich elite tries to keep us focused on. Your education will help to set you free. The masses mostly take what the talking heads say on TV for truth, so your education, while perhaps frustrating, is a sign that you already know how to bring about an alternative for our country and live a life that inspires you! That is worth its weight in gold.
I'm a college dropout that
I'm a college dropout that started my own business at age 20. I failed two years into my first business, but I started another one and the rest is history. I love not having a boss and being in control of my own life.
I also learned more on the internet then I did at school... It's safe to say that college text books don't have secret information and schools don't have a monopoly on information.
However, considering how you're in your senior year, I would suggest you finish what you started.
Fed-up with the Fed said:
Me and my co-workers were expected to be punctual, dress in a choking itie and monkey-suit, well-groomed, etc. Engineers on the other hand, could just stroll in when they pleased, dress in Levis and a T-shirt, unshaven - and basically had a much easier corporate life. Something you may want to consider in your choices.
I must comment; both my husband and I are engineers. A good prospect for career, I agree Fed-up, BUT can be a stressful job - don't let the attire fool you. And I have a hard time imagining professionals looking like slobs...and making their own hours; that would be nice...but I digress.
Engineering is a challenging college choice but worthwhile - always in demand - particularly Mechanical and Electrical (especially Computer Science related). You won't get rich but can make a living that is fairly secure. The education can be used in many venues - especially if you ever decide to homeschool your children.
The stress that comes is mostly from the marketeers with grandiose ideas (impractical design requests) and unrealistic deadlines. There tends to be lots of friction between the marketing group and the engineering group - the latter being more realistic in their approach to the industry and capabilities of the product design.
Unfortunately that piece of paper (diploma) is needed today. Get a degree that is in demand. Live at home (saves big bucks). Go to a state school - the undergrad degree can be gotten ANYWHERE - don't be duped into thinking you have to go to some big name university. Get summer intern experience. Show initiative.
My 2 cents...
I agree
If you go for engineering, go for Mechanical or Electrical. Do NOT go for Chemical Engineering. They just aren't in demand like ME and EE.
And yes, go to a lower-cost state school. Do NOT take federal loans to go to an expensive private school - it won't necessarily give you better job prospects.
Now I understand why Ron Paul wants to abolish the Dept. of Ed. and wouldn't let his kids take federal loans. You can never get rid of them, even if you declare bankruptcy, and difficult to get them refinanced..
I know it's the area where I live (and I have to stay here for family reasons), but I'm not making near what a ChemE should be making in order to ever pay off my educational debt. I'll be a slave to the bankers forever. Yeah, I have a degree. Now I'm a more educated slave with a slightly higher standard of living and heavier shackles.
Funny I have had FNG's with
Funny I have had FNG's with mechanical and electrical engineering work with me before and they were not treated any better. I thought it was kind of funny to be honest that these people were working offshore with a engineering decree. They quit later on down the road because I guess they expected better.
What?
How quickly could you teach your job to someone just out of high school? How much would it cost?
Do you seriously recommend BORROWING money to fund liberal professors for the privilege of a document stating that they approve of you?
You're too negative.
A negative attitude is setting you up for failure. If you want to succeed, you can't let anything get in your way, including the economy. And if there are no jobs, you create your own job.
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The Fed is not a private bank. PRIVATIZE THE FED!!!
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annien,
electronics technologist here. Technical school training, no lounging around in college for 4 or 5 years to absorb a bunch of completely useless crap, no student loans which had to be paid back, went to school to learn something useful and then got on with earning a living, raising my family, and worked for a long time, making a pretty good income.
At this point, you may as well carry on, and get your poli sci degree, for what it's worth.
And then be prepared for a job which requires you to ask " do you want fries with that ? "
Good luck !
same boat i guess...
I'm in college right now too and I am a freshman right now. I have been cycling through the comments and getting interesting information because I have been looking for a discussion between students as opposed to talking to much older people like I have been about this whole situation. Anywho, I feel like education will still be important due to the fact that as a people, I don't believe will submit to the nwo. I guess you can say i have hope (but then you'd be calling me hopeless)
I am currently in a scholarship program for science and technology aiming us to get PhD's after undergraduate study and I am doing computer engineering. Also, from some of the comments i've been reading it seems to be a money issue or a degree issue. if it's money i suggest going to a state school or smaller college. if its a degree issue, if you really want to find a job within ur degree, and you love what your degree entails, then u shouldn't be questioning it, you should just do it. i feel like you would have a better chance making money than being one of those "dropout-of-college-and-became-a-success" people. i know kids that aren't in college slightly older than me and they don't even do anything, but i digress.
my main point is that, I too, am looking for advice on this situation, but most comments I've read here make me seem like an extreme-optimist about the status of this country. I feel college is still important in order to establish yourself. if possible i wanted to have other students email addresses so we can discuss this more after this post dwindles down. thank you
If I had to do it again I
If I had to do it again I would go into maritime college and become a captain. Captains on these large tankers make around 250k a year and only work 180 days. The best part about the job is there is very little job competition since most people in our country dream of being astronaughts or firemen no one ever considers the maritime industry. The sad part of it though is that its always europeans doing the work in our own waters due to no americans being qualified.
Whoa..
My husband would love that job! He was in the Navy a while back, but I doubt that would qualify him. He dreams of the sea though. I love water, but I'm just not salty enough for the ocean voyage life. I'm a wimp.
2......
LEARN STUFF!!! ARGGGG
Do what you have to to get
Do what you have to to get the grade. Then you can influence academia. That is how we can get ideas on liberty into the minds of people.
If your goal is simply the
If your goal is simply the pursuit of knowledge then college is not necessary as there are other less expensive ways to go about that.
But in a pragmatic sense, college is very important. For some companies, simply having that "piece of paper" makes you more 'qualified' than even others who know more than you but do not have a degree. Your pay grade will generally be higher than those in the same position without a degree.
You're so close, you might as well finish your senior year and get that degree.
Companies that insist on "a piece of paper"
are not innovative and will soon fail.
Character, personality and beauty will get you promotions more quickly than a diploma.
I agree to some extent. But
I agree to some extent.
But with all else being equal, in most cases people with college degrees have better chances in the job market as compared to those without.
Seeing as how you are so
Seeing as how you are so close to finishing, GO FOR IT! You will feel better for having completed the task.
Me? I'm 22 and back in school to get my RN degree. Preferably be a traveling nurse. Get to see some of the world not on my dime. :P
As for the people saying you don't need it, start your own business, evaluate your life and see whether you want to spend the amount of time and money it takes to grow a successful business. My business failed due to the economy. I was going along GREAT, in fact I still have about 10k left from what I managed to save. Then, everything started crumbling in the economy and most of my clients left.
Since that bombed, I decided to go after my second passion, helping people. Don't anyone give me that shit about modern medicine doing more harm than good. Just fuck off if you believe that. :|
RN degrees
are inneficient. Unfortunately, the government requires them.
Right.....of course they
Right.....of course they are...
That's like saying a Doctorate is inefficient because the government requires them to do major surgery. :|
Like everything in life it depends on how you face it
If you regard college as a duty or some mundane task to get through, then it's a waste. If you take it as an opportunity to hone your thinking skills and increase your knowledge, then it's certainly not a waste.
It also depends on what you are studying. I was in engineering and the vast majority of what they taught was true and valuable. If I'd gotten a business degree I'd have a lot poorer attitude about education I'm sure.
I always had enjoyed college..
now that I am at my four year school however, it seems inundated with students who proudly declare their belief in socialism and professors who teach that the New World Order is a good thing for humanity. That in combination with the coming policies and the financial meltdown, makes me feel like this course is leading to a dead end.
I know some say that everything will eventually go back to normal and that my degree will then be useful. But what is normal? What we have had as of recent? Will it be "normal" when Obama finishes implementing his socialist policies? Or will we succeed in taking our country back? If that is the case, I see hope. But otherwise, I see a large portion of my income; if I have one, taken and given to the "less fortunate" ( or as I would say, "less motivated"), so that our incomes will be even.
However, I believe we make our own fortune. I didn't come from much, but I have taken initiative to go to school. The truth is that this redistribution of wealth will not make it even, because I will still have the student loans to pay, so I will actually be poorer; as far as money is concerned, than the recipient of my labors. Sure, I'll have the wealth of knowledge I received in school. Knowledge that for the most part I disagree with, but at least I will be inside my enemies mind as they screw me over. I suppose this knowledge combined with what I know is real truth is very valuable.
But I think about how many productive people will realize that being productive does not pay off. They will lower their production and the population will become poorer and poorer. If everyone is poor, then who pays for the poor? Who pays for this HUGE government? I suppose that this is when the New World Order rushes in to save the day. Both sides of the aisle, seem oblivious. I see one side wanting to redistribute, and the other side wanting to usher in armegeddon; or at the very least legislate morality. But what about freedom?
Focus
I had the advantage of being young and oblivious to politics when I went to college, so what was happening in the world at large didn't matter, all that mattered were my studies. It may be that you must withdraw from current events temporarily so you can focus on what you're doing.
Just to learn... and avoid
Just to learn... and avoid having to look for a job ; )
You don't go to college so you can get a job... you go to learn.... It's not necessary/required in order to get a job. Lots of successful people are able to skip college and jump straight in.
I'm also in school right now... Sadly, this is probably the freest I'm ever going to be in my lifetime... I am still living on loans, but they're not being called in yet, and I don't make enough money to really be taxed much of anything....
But by the time I'm finished I'll probably be close to $100,000 in debt.... and even worse, I'm studying to be an artist... so I'm basically doomed. But I didn't go to art school to get a job, to become rich, or anything else... I did it because I wanted to learn about art, get better at it, and do something I love... even if it means I am relegated to living in poverty and debt. While those are basically forms of slavery, the emotional/psychological effects of doing something I have no interest in for a career would, to me, be just as binding... at least this way I'll be a happy slave?
Bad Investment
If you want an art degree that's fine with me. If you just want to learn and don't care about getting a job, that's great.
So, who did you borrow the money from and which hard working people will have to pay for it if you default? I know I sure as hell would not loan my personal money to someone to study art.
After the subprime/derivative/insurance crisis is over, we have the defaulted student loan crisis to look forward to.
We
really are looking at change. Can you spare any? What about teaching? Call me stupid but economics has something to do with math right? Can you curve your direction to become a math teacher. I hear good math teachers are in high demand. Or use your education and tutor others from home or thier home. Do your own business. How many parents do you think will ask to see your college diploma? Did you or your parents investigate your teachers? No you let the government standards decide. hmmmm black market education. If you think what you are learning is BS find the truth. Learn Austrian economics. Do you think you can teach? my daughter is a teacher. lol I homeschooled her. I have a GED she now has a Masters and is only25 and has been teaching 4 yrs (started tutoring for her community college at 14) Once she started teaching public school it was tough for her. The methods, the bureaucracy, ...
it changed her even. I feel like I lost a bit of her. She wants to have kids and she will stay home a school them soon. I think she should tutor or even start her own school if she can get the investors. Think outside the box! Took me a long time to say that huh. Bless you and don't be down. You are the future :)
Holy Smokes!!
I didn't expect such response to my post! I have read all the perspectives and taken heed to the advice. I don't feel so alone to know that there are so many out there in similar situations. I believe I will finish my degree, as I have come so far and it would be silly to stop this close to the end. Thank you all for your help and input.
You go!
You can be Hope for America!
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Ron Paul - Hope for America
Ron Paul - Hope for America
At this point??? None.
Here I sit, BS Computer Science.... 14 years in IT....
I sand floors for a living now, except that no one can afford to have their floors sanded... so now I'm working as a substitute teacher and just got a lame-ass security guard job on the weekends.
It's a wonderful life...
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
Brother you and me Both
B.S Economics and Finance -- I'm a substitute teacher when I'm not out on contractual assignments. I tutor high school kids and college students -- the latter makes me feel like a thief given my own prospects.
Octobox
Mises on Profit/Loss
college is a business just like mcdonalds.
both trying to separate you from your money. one feeds the body, one feeds the mind.
there are better places to eat and other ways to feed the mind.
i dont have a degree but make 33.50 /hr. there are plenty of ways to make it in the world. if i ever have kids, college will not be encouraged.
with you being a senior, you should probably stick it out.
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if you build it he will come..........Ron Paul 2012.
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if you build it he will come..........Ron Paul 2012.
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Absolutely none!
unless you would like to be in debt the rest of your natural life,...in the times were heading into...it's best to have some kind of skill to barter with. My bro's a mechanic...so when sh*t hits the fan,...he can fix the mad maxx style vehicles
A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.
College is just...
The highest form of indoctrination, and you pay for it yourself.
Self education is the best education