Ron Paul Speaks on Liberty Dollar Raid
Posted November 21st, 2007 by Michael Nystrom
Thank you to Theodore Terbolizard for the video. He also sends word on the Ron Paul Rally in Reno on 11/20:
600 people at rally; signs & supporters all over area.
highlight: U.S. Constitution in sidewalk chalk outside event center
I have downloaded "Ron Paul
I have downloaded "Ron Paul Speaks on Liberty Dollar" twice now and both times, after download, it says that the video is no longer available. Whats up? Somebody messing around??? Has anyone else had the problem?
I'm going to have to
I'm going to have to disagree with Ron Paul on this point. You can't just use any sort of money you want as legal tender. There has to be legitimate proof that it's backed up by gold or another valuable and redeemable. In the current state that the society is in you can't give random gold coins to people and expect them to accept it, they won't know if it's real or how much its worth and more than likely wont be able to redeem it anywhere useful.
they won't know how much it's worth
That is exactly the problem with the dollar, we don't know its value because the government is lying to us. The government does not have the corner on the market of determining valuable currency, they might think they do. The point is that the market uses whatever is of value, not what the government says is valuable. If we lived in a parched desert, water would be a pretty good currency and gold might be irrelevant. It is not that gold in and of itself possesses value, but the market deems it valuable, ie. people desire it. It is exactly the desire of the people that determines value, not the government. Thus, what is most desired by most people is most valuable. Right now less and less people are deeming the dollar valuable. Savings bonds are looking more and more ridiculous because people are realizing the dollar is little more than an I.O.U. These I.O.U.s are only worthy when the debt is paid once and a while, right now people are demanding payment to their I.O.U.s like China for instance. Why are they making crap to sell us, because we are paying them with empty money. Therefore your criticism is apropos, but you are applying it to the wrong entity. It is the U.S. Fed Reserve that you should suspect just like everyone else who would offer you something of value.
The Liberty Dollar, "legal tender," & my formerly-free speech.
The Liberty Dollar (and NORFED before it) has NEVER claimed to be "legal tender," quite the contrary actually. It says "negotiable" on it, instead, because it's NOT legal tender. All users must therefore negotiate every transaction, it's effectively a barter system. And really, you'd "redeem" notes for coins, not the other way around, in Bernard's system or the real world. What can you "redeem" a paper dollar for, aside from pot-metal change? Nothing, these days.
What I don't get is why more people don't see this as an attack on my & others' First Amendment rights. I was going to get 400 little pieces of metal with my candidate's face on them, from a business which had done similar things for literally a decade, but instead they were stolen by thugs with badges, and, to top the theft off, a pushover news media (and a biased media bias "busting" group "newsbusters.org") stupidly-parroted the government's line that they're somehow "illegal," which is a determination that USED to be made by the courts, not the news media.
Just getting through the media-bias and blatant stupidity to the actual First Amendment issue is difficult, but my speech -- political speech that's time-sensitive during a campaign -- has been silenced 400 times, once for each of the medallions I'd have otherwise had. Crooks, instead, have my RP medallions, and by the time I get them back -- if ever -- it's likely this campaign will be over. That means $400 I could have otherwise spent on other non-stolen speech is wasted.
See why I think the ACLU -- despite their lefty-biases -- needs to get a clue?? Or the Institute for Justice, or SOME damlawyer who gives 1/2 a crap about free speech...
JMR
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its no different
its no different than me trading a Babe Ruth Rookie baseball card for a house or a car for another car, so i cant see how this can be illegal. the fact is Its because Ron Pauls face is on it and they are scared of it someday being legal tender. i cant wait till we kick the federal reserve to the curb (Mafia scumbags)
I asked Nader about the Liberty Dollar
Nader has sued darn near every government department at one time or another, so I asked him about the Liberty Dollar, and he asked me, "What does Ron Paul say about it?" Well, Ron Paul hadn't said anything at that time, though the camapign had said they "know nothing and it has nothing to do with them."
Somethingdoesn't seem right about this. I don't understand how Ron Paul could not know there was a Liberty dollar with his name on it, and his likness...wasn't Liberty Dollar contributing to the Ron Paul campaign? Wouldn't Ron be in the right to sue Liberty dollar for using his name and likness if he was without knowledge? And won't the government wonder why he wouldn't sue?
And so Ron Paul said about the Liberty Dollar what he said about the Browns and their refusal to pay the IRS, "Martin Luther King, illegal is illegal, strong arm of the govt warning....but does the Liberty Dollar apply? I don't think so. Isn't the Liberty Dollar ART?> And we can make all the art we want no? Hmmm.
got some wrong info
Don't know where you heard that, but RP said he knew of the Ron Paul dollar, but had nothing to do with it. Von NotHous said he didn't talk to Ron Paul about it, so as not to break any campaign finance laws. Liberty Dollar gave $5 for every silver piece purchased to the Ron Paul campaign. 2300 dollars were given before the bust. The campaign says they won't give it back, unless it is proved that it was some how acquired illegally.
Nothing was illegal. Govt. was simply afraid the Liberty Dollar would get too popular too quickly, and devalue the FRN even more. Esp. after the Ron Paul piece came out.
But IMHO, they needn't have worried, they're doing a darn good job of devaluing it themselves. Think about it, Liberty Dollar has been minting those silver pieces for TEN years. If they were illegal, why haven't they been busted before now? The guy comes out with something that makes his business and Ron Paul more popular, and wala! Busted. Assets stolen is a more correct term.
Public Figure
The Liberty Dollar used Dr Paul's likeness without The Good Doctor's consent or foreknowledge, but did so without disparaging him or defaming him. It's a fair use application of a public figure's likeness. Dr Paul (even IF he were so inclined) could no more sue the Liberty Dollar than he could sue Newsweek, Time or the Rolling Stone (which features him this month.)
As for his not knowing about it until it was brought to his attention -- well, he's a busy guy, and can hardly keep up with the all the goings on of his many fans. I've been spending some time bandying his name and likeness about -- he probably also has no clue that I exist either.
Viva Agora!
LehrBoy
www.citizenduquesne.org
Was at this lunch
Ron Paul continues to be my hero.
This lunch was quite small. He strolled into the room by himself when everyone was seated. Jeff Greenspan gave him an introduction and he sort of just waved at everyone and went to the buffet table and helped himself to some food.
Ron took a seat at a table in the back and ate for about half an hour before getting up to give a speech. The speech was shorter and not as educational as his previous speeches (I'm thinking that a lot of people have heard his message by now).
Instead, he focused on the positives of the campaign. That fundraising was going really well, that the campaign has gained a lot of ground and that support continues to grow exponentially.
That is sad that the message by itself is good enough, but with the backing of the money we've sent in is the message made to be more powerful. (What he later said to me was that this was not his message. That it was *our* message!)
He mentioned how in the early days of his campaign he'd have to drive 50 miles to sit in a radio studio for a 3-minute interview. Now, he cannot keep up with the number of interviews. That he sometimes mainstream media agrees to interview him at the airport because that's the only time that fits into his schedule.
He talked about how the campaign is so inclusive that even Green Party members are joining. He said that this gentleman from the Green Party reminded him that the message of freedom, liberty as a very environmental policy as well.
Specifically he noted that the Pentagon spends 400,000 barrels of oil per day, ranking the Pentagon (by itself) at #35 if it were its own country in terms of CO2 emissions from fossil fuels. A foreign policy whereby we reduce our empire expense is very, very pro-environment!
He also said that the campaign will come under increasing attack from the media and other candidates and that this is just the way it goes. That we should be confident in our message. And that we should be confident in what we as grassroots supporting him should encounter. He gave an example of how his opponents -- during a congressional race -- thought they could beat him by running ads that said Ron was against the War on Drugs and said that Ron wouldn't fight to keep our kids safe.
Ron grinned at this point and said that his opponents under-estimated the fact that he's delivered his constituents' kids and their grandkids and not a soul in the 14th Congressional district believed that he'd harm their kids. Ron said that we still need to defend the message but just that we should be confident.
He went into other topics, but that's what I remember from the speech. He took about 20 minutes of question and answers... the video you see above. And then he met each and every one of us.
I love this guy!
Ya know
Since the govt has a manipuly on round things, I say the next batch of liberty dollars should be rectangular, thin, and bendable so that you can literally break some off. Kinda like a candy bar.
Breakable money
That used to be very common back in the day.
Two bits were literally a dollar coin cut into 8 pie slices each one being a 'bit'
Don't forget TEA was a medium of exchange, like money.
Yes, and before that TEA was used in trade. Tea would be dried and pressed into bricks which were divided into equal parts so they could be broken off and traded (or used as tea). If you have too much "money" I supposed you could always eat or drink it, in this case. Tea was a very valuable commodity in the early days of trading.
Spices, too. The more rare and exotic, the further it came from, the more valuable.
Barter WORKS.