Sweet Ignorant Little Daily Paulers -- Liberty Lovin' Retrophilliacs
Submitted by OctoBox on Wed, 03/25/2009 - 23:35
Oh how you've all (well most of you) fallen off the turnip truck.
DeMint and Beck???? We are going to forgive the fact that they are co-opting the revolution -- Fox News whom we called Faux News 10,000 times over the last 2 years. Did Rupert Murdoch sell Fox -- did he quit the CFR, did he quit the Neoconservative Party?
If Obama is Bush and Bush is a Neocon and Murdoch owns most all media and he's a Neocon then who is Glenn Beck?!?!?!
How was he "forgiven?"
DO YOU GUYS BELIEVE THAT HE HAS "HIS OWN SHOW," OR WHAT???
Look here's the deal -- Murdoch is trying to buy up everything "Liberty" sounding (websites to small radio shows) and THEY ARE stealing the vernacular as Reagan and Bush Sr stole Barry Goldwater's vernacular and in short order it will be bastardized once these pro-war - pro-cold-war Neocons get back in office!!!
I swear if Volker and Greenspan were to come out and admit that Ron Paul was right or suggested we move back to a gold standard you people would give them your daughters (and ask for no dowery).
I'm all for forgiving once a formal apology has been given -- enumerating the lies and ignorance and "pledging" (repenting) publicly to never make such a mistake again.
I figured it out -- Most Americans are suffering from three major political afflictions (psycho-emotional): 1) Abdication of Authority (Cult of Personality); 2) Hearken Syndrome (Retfrophillia - "fondness/attachment to the past") - Constitution, General Lee, Gold Standard, and Founding Fathers; and 3) "Sky-is-Falling Sensationialism.
In the 1st Case: NO ONE other than Ron Paul deserves our "loyalty" -- maybe they deserve a "look" but WE MUST INSIST THEY PASS A LITMUS TEST EQUIVALENT TO DR. PAUL'S.
The Libertarians, Mises Institute, Murray Rothbard, Lew Rockwell, Ron Paul, and the Libertarian Community WERE ALL fooled by Reagan and his promise to stick to Goldwater Principles.
We cannot trust or abdicate our authority (liberty) to ANYONE!!
In the 2nd Case: We must stop Romanticizing over by-gone eras of Liberty -- The Founding Fathers (regardless of their speeches or written letters) -- other than Adams -- All owned slaves. You cannot have a free-society nor can you conceive of one wherein slavery moves forward with it. Also, women were not free and neither were non-property owning white men. They all stole land from American Indians disproportionately to land seizure owing to battle -- the Founding Father's fail the "what's square is fair" litmus test. Nice ideas - no Meat.
In the 3rd Case: Well just read our posts -- Littered with sensationalism and issues that have no conclusive action strategy other than to run around like chickens with our heads cut off. 911-Truth (a big issue yes - BUT NOT THE PROBLEM), Birthers (a big deal yes - BUT NOT THE INDIVIDUAL PULLING THE STRINGS), and Chemtrails 9 (a subsidized health risk yes - BUT NOT THE ORIGIN).
Let me sum up the only three viable action plans for us who sit on the OUTSIDE!!!!
Our Voters Constitution:
#1 Vote-out-the-Incumbents (The Zero Cult-of-Personality Action Plan) -- For those that do get elected create a Voters Pact that if they: Re-issue one Tax, if they Raise one Tax, if they create one new Tax, or if they grant one advantage to any group or corporation WE WILL VOTE-THEM-OUT (IMPEACH)!!! In-fact we should insist on a contractual relationship.
Our two Consumers Constitution
#2 Vote-out-the-Corporatists (Form a Consumer Union and Website -- Spread the Word -- Only buy from the Zero or Low Subsidy Seeking / Regulatory Advantage Seeking / Bailout Seeking / Corporations)
#3 Vote-out-the-Unionist (Same Consumer Union -- Only buy from Corporations who have Zero Union Activity)
Think of the damage if we implemented it.
We would be free from politics -- Let them watch our show -- Send a real Message.
Glenn Beck repeatedly states
Glenn Beck repeatedly states that he does not believe in "Star Chambers". He gives it a nice cute and ridiculous sounding nickname in order to discredit it, and honestly, I'm fine with that. Because the more people that become impassioned with learning and understanding how our monetary system works, the more their eyes will be opened and inevitably, and the very LEAST begin to suspect that there might be something there. No body can prove anything right now, but the facts happen to fit the theory. And there is a definite trend politically and socially that we are following. To suggest that is the result of some "conspiracy" implies that we know "intent", but ultimately, it doesn't really matter, since the results and the trends speak for themselves, and the solutions to the problem, are the same regardless of intent or not.
It might be a self preservation thing to denounce "Star Chambers" (which is really a stupid nickname anyway, because the movie of the same title was about a group of judges who took the law into their own hands to kill criminals who beat the system on technicalities, not about shadow governments), yet we know that shadow governments are real, there IS historic precedent (but of course OUR society is too great for that!), yet we have at the very least .. a United Nations, which, sorry to say, is a form of a shadow government. The Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, and the Bilderberg Group are all REAL, as to what they do and what they accomplish is up for subjection but, the fact that these groups EXIST is indisputable!
But let me ask, "What is the point of a group or organization, if they accomplish nothing?".
And then you have to wonder what someone with all the money in the world, seemingly, would do with their time if they had everything they needed? Boy there's a exercise for you Zeitgeist people .. And I don't think its too much of a stretch to think that someone worth $150 Billion (with a "B") dollars would become bored out of their minds and think they had some sort of (moral) obligation to try and change the world and make it a (better) place even if it was against the wishes of freedom loving Americans everywhere, because anyone with that kind of money has no proper understanding of "freedom", because they have it ultimately and its the struggle for that level of freedom that defines the appreciation and respect for it.
Globalization is insane.
The very idea behind Globalization is insane, and a failed policy.
Ask any cop right up front and they will tell you, well no the idea sounds nuts as its not based in law at all.
Globalization has made many failed states, including the US, driven to bankruptcy and beyond thus it does not have support of the people.
If some of the "brighter globalists" and those like Murdoch would come out, rather then follow the evil Globalist plans of their masters, and just simply ask us what "We people" think about all this Globalization talk?
If they'd ask for our permission, rather then our forced consent? Then we may just help them create a better future for everyone involved and defeat the dark side of Victim-induced Globalization.
But it must be through the people, as God ultimately knows (given that there yes, is in fact a god out there) and as we bearers of the truth understand.
Freedom is not money or love of money, even Murdoch clearly knows that's the root of all evil. Freedom is just the opposite, it is living within our means, saving, and sharing what we have.
Simple concepts of liberty which are at odds with "Global Governments" and why evil never truly wins.
Money is a BS concept
Money is a BS concept created by man. God gave us everything we need to survive on this planet. Money isnt even theoretically necessary, as all it is is an incentive, as is a whip. If in a perfect world man could collectively know the right thing to do and did the right thing 100% of the time, there would be no need for money. Thats not to sound like a Zeitgeister, because I cant think of a better solution. This is just a theoretical discussion. God did not create money and should have no concept of it, no need of it, and should not even be used in discussion of real theology if God existed because its not even necessary.
Freedom is the ability to impart your unbridled will on the world around you. However real freedom has a price, and that price is personal responsibility. And this personal responsibility needs to be genuine and heartfelt and is not a form of oppression because it relies on a sort of knowledge of a balance of the world and society to do the right thing. Failure to act responsibly is what results in authoritarianism. However because our society operates primarily on money, those with the greatest amount have the greatest amount of personal freedom.
Like I said, we don't have to believe the "rhetoric"
We don't have to believe the false rhetoric of Globalists who pretend to know our message of truth and freedom, like the Becks and the others...
All we have to do as you must realize, is force them to report the message, thus interestingly waking everybody else up in the process to say
"Something is wrong here."
And for those millions of viewers to research the Fed, forcing the elite Globalists back into the sunlight and having to abandon the very thing they attempted to control through the mass-brainwashing.
Sure, they may not EVER be on your side but since they're losing the information war.......why not let them continue to repeat the message? What can it do except help, since we all know our actions are not violent but peaceful in seeking total freedom before we have to defend our freedom or it ever comes to that.
Ron Paul and false friends
We should certainly be careful given the disorganization of the Republican party, and the Conservative movement generally, who we trust to represent Ron Paul and our views. However, nothing is gained by summary rejecting anyone who --in better times--was critical of Ron Paul's opinions, and now claims to agree with them. Indeed, if we attack everyone who was taken in by the neocon hokum, we will have very few friends indeed, and Ron Paul's influence will rapidly wane.
A lot of people are starting to listen now--better late than never--and still need a lot of "conciousness raising' to become full fledged advocates of liberty. They probably share this characteristic with a great many people who post on the dailypaul. I know that I certainly was not the full-fledged anarchocapitalist that I am now when I first learned about the Constitution, the free market, and individual rights.
Lastly, improve your focus. Whatever their other shortcomings, Murray Rothbard, the Mises Institute, and libertarians--even the Libertarian Party--were NEVER uncritical supporters of Reagan or Bush and always did as much as Ron Paul to point out their serious shortcomings.
Octobox, your call for strategy conference updates is a good idea. A good strategy should begin, however, with attacking your enemies, not your friends!!
PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller
Sorry to chime in to the
Sorry to chime in to the love fest.... I have one thing to say...
1. Have not watched an mainstream since the final Rep Debate prior to Super-Screw-You day ( a tuesday I think)... I'm a better person for it.
So you go ahead and watch the main stream and boost thier pathetic ratings. I have standards and ethic. I already know the enemy so there is no need to watch them. Read the net and turn off the tv news.
Tim
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This is whats happening.
Its very simple really. Fox news is favoring both sides (neo-con Republicans and Libertarian Conservatives). The neo-conservative side, with Sean Hannity and Mark Levin. These guys are told, and probably based on their own personal idiotic and factually false beliefs would not anyway, not to touch anything Ron Paul. Notice how they dont even denounce him anymore. They are just not going to touch it. "Speak no evil" if you will. This will make their past postions look legit, and keep their viewership.
Now, because this (Ron Paul) movement was so powerful and so full of good ideas, Rupert Murdoch, being smart and using strategic thinking, realized that this movement could not be ignored. It had and still has the potential to grow very rapidly, very quickly given the times, and wipe out the Hannitys and Levins. So by having the Cavuttos and Becks he is covering his bases. Its a win-win situation for FOX. I dont think they are trying something sinister. Its in their (Murdoch's) best interest to be ready for anything. With this strategy he is.
My guess is Hannity hopes and prays this movement goes no where, because he would be out on his ass. Im sure there is, though it maybe silent, some serious contempt on Hannity's part for having to share airwaves with Beck. Especially since Beck's ratings are higher right now.
I would like to mention something somewhat sinister, though not directly related. When you listen to Hannity or Levin talk, they never (or I never hear them) mention The Bill of Rights. Just a note: I cant stand Hannity or Levin, they are lying pathological demons disgused as conservative saviors, but good to know what the enemy is up to. Nonetheless, both of them will say "founding documents" and include the Constitution and the Declaration of Indepedence in the same sentence. They never mention The Bill of RIghts. Personally, I find this very disturbing when they preach to us about our country and our founders, and especially our founding documents. Now I realize they are both ignorant baffoons who wouldnt know a real conservative if he/she shot them between the eyes, but I find this not to be a lack of knowledge, but something else....? Then again, Hannity and his followers are utter morons. Its probably just his ignorance.
In Other words, Murdoch is betting against the Temple.
He's doing what I call:
"A Double Hedge Fund Bet"
He's betting against both sides of the debate.
Both the sinister Globalist Zionists, and the true conservative libertarians and conservatives of freedom.
One will win, and one will lose. Either the side of good, or the side or pure evil....
I think we already know which side the Temple worshipers are on....
We clearly know which side the Ron Paul revolution is on....
And Sean Hannity and the rest like Holmes, know what side they are on..
Good vs. Evil.
Murdoch is merely placing a "double bet" for his own desire, meaning Murdoch is essentially now neutral on the outcome.
Depending on which one is of more benefit or which side wins out, Murdoch is going to trumpet the victors everywhere.
Good analysis...I agree...I think Rupert
is hedging his bets like you says with the neo-cons + the liberty-leaning conservatives.
The invisible hand of liberty...
seems to be forcing the power at be to at least attempt to please the liberty minded...
The point to focus on is that since Ron Paul campaign both the media's dominance of the air waives and their legitimacy for truth at waning. As more Americans become aware Alternative media is going to start forcing coverage of issue other wise forgotten.
Look at that Intelligence Report from Missouri. Alex Jones broke the story and the Alternative media and internet picked it up and forced a retraction. This is a Major Advance!
From a newbie retrophiliac still on the turnip cart...
This might not be an entirely accurate impression, as I also do not see any of Beck unless it is posted on the Daily Paul...I am concerned that Beck is little more than an actor, at best in pursuit of better ratings, at worst a puppet of the Obama Administration. I worry about the day *after* these tea parties. Are people still going to be as mad, or will the angry bees quiet themselves after Those Who Know Better Than Us are done shaking the beehive?
I can't resist bringing a very old conspiracy theory into this, but in the Crisis Paine says over and over and over again that the British actually *wanted* the Americans to rebel:
"They looked on conquest as certain and infallible, and under that persuasion sought to drive the Americans into...a general rebellion, and then, crushing them with arms in their hands, reap the rich harvest of a general confiscation, and silence them for ever." (The Crisis Number VII, November 21, 1778).
Angry people often aren't thinking people...we need to help them out with this. *Introduce* them to Ron Paul and the Constitution, for heaven's sake.
BTW, on the charge of the over-romanticized use of the Founding Fathers:
Read Tom Paine. There's stuff in the Crisis I would not even dare to post here. Tom was the king of trash talk, and he even published death threats to British generals. Don't think he owned slaves, either, but really, why does this make a difference?
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
Thomas Jefferson
Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietam servitutem. ("I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude"). Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 30 January 1787.
Thanks, I needed the reference
Reading it now and giving me ideas. In liberty and freedom.
^^^Ron Paul^^^
MR. MCCREEDY . . . IDEAS ARE BULLETPROOF
I think you are getting a little confused. Its NOT the personalities that promote liberty, its LIBERTY itself that matters. Although most of us LOVE RP, we DO NOT worship him. We simply believe in liberty; and that is all that matters. I think you are being a little childish to say that someone else can't talk about liberty simply because we "discovered it" first.
"Beneath this mask there is more than flesh. Beneath this mask there is an idea, Mr. Creedy, and ideas are bulletproof."
V
The basic premise.....
of Beck/Murdoch hijacking this for either of 2 reasons:
1. Machiavellian hijacking of our message to dilute our power or our message or herd us off in some dysfunctional direction....
or
2. Money to be had from trying to cash in on everything "liberty"
are both absurd to me.
You couldn't possibly BUY this amount of mass advertising for pro-constitution, pro-liberty, pro-Austrian positions. WTF??? Let them
spend THEIR money promoting OUR cause..... I could CARE LESS about their potential profits.
If your objection is the amount of political profit they could make...
Again I say WHO CARES?
It cannot possibly counteract the amount of loss that they ultimately incur by Educating the MASSES with the message of Liberty.
No way. It makes no sense. and besides the more red pill folks we have the more WATCHDOGS we have (MAIC case in point).
We WIN either way.
Regarding laziness..... remember: Freedom is FUN!
I kid you not, this message is unappreciated. It is powerful.
Nothing.... not guilt or shame or determination.... can replace INSPIRATION.
We got inspired and worked our asses off........
So wait for it ...(I don't mean do nothing,) I mean PATIENCE. Consider Ron Paul.... is the man patient or WHAT? Don't PRESUME it to be weakness. It's NOT.
It will come.... phase one was the RP movement..... phase 2 .... will be GLORIOUS... but you can definitely figure it's probable to occur in the midst of suffering and hardship.... but it WILL be awesome.
The message is ALL that matters.
The Globalist Zionist message works against itself.
Even though Glenn Beck is promoted for different reasons, the important thing is it wakes up all the masses also, which actually benefits our side, even though they meant to co-opt it.
We don't have to look at any of that just think that it is a hedge fund....
Murdoch controls those news networks, the information on both sides hits wide dissemination now.
And Murdoch is basically neutral, neither a total Globalist or an anti-Globalist.
So the hedging of the bets begins.......for the outcomes
Agreed as well....
The biggest thing to remember that those slivers of Truth are like splinters in our minds. Once we get them, we spend a lot of time reading information that we wouldn't have otherwise; in order to get them out. We pick those splinters; the cancer from all the lies is removed with them.
heck yeah.
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Please post often on the DP.
We need your optimism, we must remember our own inspiration in order to pass it on to others and stay in the fight.
I do not trust Glen Beck
I don't know where he is going with all this but I do not trust him. Don't follow this guy too close he might just lead you off a cliff.
Glen Beck is a puppet and so is Lou Dobbs. Lou Dobbs could have done a lot to support Libery but all through the campaign last year all he did was encourage people to register and vote independant. This is just one of the divide and conquer tactics used against us. No, I don't know what Glen Beck and Murdoch are up to but you can bet it is not in the best interest of liberty minded Americans.
I Must Disagree.....
... on the union thing. The U.S. wouldn't have a large middle class if it weren't for unions. Given their track record, does anyone believe corporate America would have paid middle class wages without unions?
Unions became a problem for the system when they jumped in bed with the government and the union's function was then handled legislatively (i.e. wage and hour laws, OSHA, etc.). By the 1970's the federal government had usurped almost the entire function of the unions. The government/corporate alliance was then free to blame supposed lost profits on union workers' wages while they shipped production facilities offshore or imported labor.
Then came the Reagan years. Once he busted the air traffic controllers, unions strength declined across the board. The auto workers are just the last big obstacle. Now the unions' main strength is the number of voters in their ranks.
In a free society unions are very important. I don't believe union workers are responsible for the current situation.
You seriously need to go to Mises.org
Please read "economics in one lesson" or something before making such blind sighted comments. You sound like Marx here. Please do some reading.
"Greater than the force of mighty armies is the power of an idea whose time has come"
- Victor Hugo
"Greater than the force of mighty armies is the power of an idea whose time has come"
- Victor Hugo
I am being swayed. I was
I am being swayed. I was conflicted about Glenn Beck.
Now I'm thinking I will stop using him as a source for spreading our message. I will no longer reference him.
The danger is clear. We could create a bunch of Glenn Beck followers, or help the existing ones persist....and in 2 years, Glenn changes his tune (again)....and that's it, those followers will move on with him.
Better to squash what we can now.
It's easy to imagine Glenn saying: "I know I know...our liberty is at stake, but this is even bigger, more profound, our very existence is in the balance. So we must swallow this bitter pill (and follow this neocon agenda xyz...)"
OK, You Made This Up
Okay, you just made this up: "The Libertarians, Mises Institute, Murray Rothbard, Lew Rockwell, Ron Paul, and the Libertarian Community WERE ALL fooled by Reagan and his promise to stick to Goldwater Principles."
Let's see: Reagan was elected in 1980, and the Mises Institute was established in 1982.
Second: find me anything in the literature of the Mises Institute from the 1980s that says Reagan is a great free-marketeer, or that expected him to be.
Third: You've apparently never read the Libertarian Forum, Rothbard's monthly publication, in which he denounced Reagan regularly, from the start.
I realize this isn't the point of your post, but why gratuitously make stuff up like that? Don't these people deserve to be treated fairly?
Right you are NightOwl
I should of said the founders of the Mises Institute and "fooled" might not have been the best word.
I agree with the dfwrider -- "disappointed" is a bit weak though -- were those same people "disappointed" with Bush Sr, Clinton, and Bush Jr? I think of the long list of "begets" from the Bible; as one politician begets another -- sounds like Baguette; have you ever tried to have just one of those tasty critters?
Disappointment is not strong enough and since ALL OF THEM supported Reagan in his run for the white house -- touted him. Ron Paul campaigned for him.
They were "fooled" because they followed his rhetoric -- it's possible that Reagan was "turned" or that he wanted to unify the party (pull in the moderates) and thought he could control them -- then he was shot and then all the Goldwater appointees "left" and Bush Sr appointed 100% neoconservatives.
It doesn't matter because the "fooled" part came when Reagan went against his word (to the conservative Republicans - RP included) and hired Bush Sr as his VP -- which the Miseseans were dead set against.
NO I DIDN'T MAKE THIS UP
Octobox
*&^ Constitution --- Constitutional Rationality
forget about the
forget about the collectivist terms, they are irrelevant.
and lets use "disappointed" instead of "fooled"....fooled is the wrong word, thought I get the gist ...
was ron paul disappointed by reagan? yes
rothbard? yes
rockwell? yes
did they see it coming? that's debatable. it's not exactly clear.
so rothbard denounced reagan while he was a governor of california?
you have proof?
I agree
I've told many "new" Beck fans that I'll trust Beck when Murdock fires him. He is destined to lead his audience off stage and out of the action ... just like Perot did, just like Limbaugh and a slew of others did.
Truly, people are sheep. They find a leader who articulates their problems and, little by little they get comfortable and turn off their brains. They never realize that the leader has brought them to a destination they would never have gone to on their own.
I've tried getting through to one longtime Limbaugh fan ... very smart ... and, frankly, I can't. She is thoroughly brainwashed. Very scary. Most people will fall for it.
One last comment: I don't "watch" tv, (I don't even own one). However, when I am in front of one, I monitor it for messages. NEVER relax in front of the tube and suck in the swill. It's like poisoning yourself intravenously.
How many of you would not take a bag full of cash if....
.......the gov't handed to you? In secret?
News Corp (Murdoch and Fox) is a Welfarist Organization -- They receive more Gov't Subsidies (spread accross their subsidiaries), Regulatory Advantages, Fiat Credit than any four top Wall Street Firms combined. And Glenn Beck is fastly becoming their biggest spokesman -- why now? What changed in the last 4 to 9 months?
I've posted similar messages over and over again and it wasn't 'till I used "inflamatory language" did my post and the kernel of the "wisdom" I was trying to pass "get a fair look."
My point regarding Beck is that Beck works for Fox, Fox is controlled by News Corp and News Corp is owned by Murdoch.
All last year (at least 1000 times) we said "Faux" News and lambasted Murdoch as being a CFR-Goon (one the biggest Neoconservative CFR agents -- was what we said for nearly 2 years).
Napolitano - Paul - Schiff have all been preaching Austrian Economics and Constitutional Analysis for years -- over ten for Napolitano an Schiff and over 30 for Paul.
Beck is a huge media personality and worked very hard his whole career (up 'till a few months ago -- less than a year) to destroy the principals of Austrian Economics and uphold the CFR-Neoconservative agenda.
Here's a wiki-page covering the 120 News Corp Subsidiaries -- this is not a complete list:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:News_Corporation_subsi...
My point is Fox is bringing Paul on board because this is where the money is.
In an In-Voluntary Society (which has some percentage of Tax Slavery) the way you make money is in drastic fluctuation (speculation and massive shifts in administrations) -- the wealthy CFR-agents do not care about Neo-Liberals or Neo-Conservatives as long as there is fluctuation and massive shifts in assets -- which they can put their billions on to gain a free interest ride.
Beck and Faux News (owned by one of the biggest CFR-agents - Murdoch) are just buying up the C4L "catch words" (Beck's 912report for example -- the recent use of the terms "liberty" and the pseudo-nod toward free-markets that Rush, Savage, Beck, Dobbs, and the defunct Republican Party are throwing around).
These are the same people (Beck included) who pushed this war ($3Trillion Dollars), agreed with every measure of the Patriot Act, agreed with every measure of Foreign Military Construction, and put Bush in office twice -- they also, ripped the sh** out of the Good Doctor for two years -- with no "real" appology. Now they applaud him and after 80+ years of running assaults on liberty you guys are ready to bend over for them again -- like we did with Reagan BECAUSE they found the right language???????????
Principals that Glenn Beck speaks of are:
1. America is good.
2. I believe in God and He is the Center of my Life.
3. I must always try to be a more honest person than I was yesterday.
4. The family is sacred. My spouse and I are the ultimate authority, not the government.
5. If you break the law you pay the penalty. Justice is blind and no one is above it.
6. I have a right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, but there is no guarantee of equal results.
7. I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable.
8. It is not "un"-American for me to disagree with authority or to share my personal opinion.
9. The government works for me. I do not answer to them, they answer to me
Beck's "actual record" -- Support of Bush Regime $3Trillion in Debt and the destruction of our dollar.
Can I "forgive" yes -- But they are "obviously so so obviously" hijacking our phrases and our message.
In a Free-Society profit is still "occilation" however, it comes 100% from entrepreneurialism - intrapreneurialism - R&D - Innovation.
Napolitano make Fox money and so they will keep him -- he's the monkey that keeps their organization tied to the libertarian community. He's not a lackey -- he's sincere and his record stands for it. Keep friends close and enemies even closer; Murdoch is no ones fool.
If his show has a Constitutional Analyst then "everything" else they pump "MUST" be true -- right?
Wrong!
Octobox
Octobox
*&^ Constitution --- Constitutional Rationality
I would take a bag full of cash
from the govmnt. as long as there were no strings attached and I didn't have to kiss their az for it....and it wouldnt have to be in secret.
"It's just one big club... and WE ain't in it!"
"Tyrants fear nothing more than insubordination"
"It's just one big club... and WE ain't in it!"
first one's free
first one's free
Sorry.
I was just repeating what Rupert told me to say via the chip that he secretly implanted in me while I slept.
If the message cannot survive the machinations of the disinformation apparatus that you subscribe to, then we have no hope anyway. Truth is truth, and a concept such as liberty is a tenacious and transcendent principle.
It's the message, not the messenger. It's the principles not the personalities.
Sorry, but your orthodoxy purity test , and the requirement for historical adherence to the orthodoxy, comes off as slightly less totalitarian than those we would be in opposition to. Few, if any here pass the "Libertarian from birth test", that you would use to certify ideological correctness. I certainly don't. Anyone else ?
Maybe Beck is just one of Rupert's cast of a thousand puppets? Or maybe, just maybe his beliefs and understanding are changing and evolving. Is that allowed ? If not we'll know by his actions, as we will know the same with anyone of us. Perhaps it provides you a certain comfort to have him be a perpetual enemy?
The funny thing is that the namesake of this site has made a fool of this silly orthodox criteria- he is now a welcome guest on many of the shows that once harangued many of his positions. If he had subscribed to your rigid thinking and criteria the American public would still labor under the monolithic Keynesian dogma that so dominates the airwaves. As of now, Dr. Paul, the Judge and Schiff are reaching a previously unimaginable audience. I'll take that.
Then again maybe Rupert has covertly seduced Dr. Paul too... and Alex Jones.... and....
What proof do you have of Beck supporting neocons?
What proof do you have of Beck supporting neocons? I've seen his videos up on here now and then and he seems to tow the libertarian line pretty strongly. In what ways is he a neocon supporter? Please provide links or actual quotes to back it up, otherwise it didn't happen.
Register as Republican and Vote for Ron Paul
You must be new to Glenn Beck then
See the links below plus do a search for...
- Beck supported the banker bail out
- Beck supported Bush up until late AFTER the banker bail out
- Beck supports the "War on Terrorism" and anyone who doesn't and/or questions 9/11 is a lunatic/conspiracy theorist who is Unamerican
- Beck supports Obama as a legitimate President and yelled at his caller to do the same.
- Beck is a Zionist. Beck believes that Israeli's are securing the Holy Land for the West and Christians -- I'm not shitting you. He has 'experts' on prophecy and such nonsense and has said this is true FACT and we must do everything we can support and Israel and stop it from falling. Including a 'prohpesized' future joint-invasion from evil Russia and Muslims into Israel.
- Beck even has had the leaders/spokesman of Israel on his show and agreed with them on every action through the various conflicts and wars. They would be bombing Hezzbollah or talking about nuking Iran and Glenn Beck would be drooling in crazed bloodlust as he would joke and swoon about NEEDING to do this. Same thing with Pakistan or insert _______ muslim country.
- Beck has had admitted communists and so-called 'ex-communists' on his show and agreed with their principles.
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Glenn Beck Supports NAFTA and taking your job:
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/86643
Glen Beck -- RP Supporters are "Domestic Terrorists":
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/86000
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Glen Beck -- An Exposed Enemy:
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/90198
Glenn Beck Supports NAFTA and taking your job:
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/86643
Looking at your "proof"
Okay, your "proof" consists of:
- Glen Beck asking if Ron Paul's supporters are nuts. Well, it was a fair question in light of them throwing snowballs at Shaun Hannity and the threats Beck apparently received. I don't see why this is relevant since his job is to ask questions. It's neither here nor there.
- Supporting NAFTA. Well, Ron Paul supports free trade. I suppose Glen Beck also supports free trade. This thing about "taking your jobs" is absolutely antithetical to what Ron Paul and libertarians believe! You are the one misinterpreting what free trade is all about. Free trade is GOOD! We should not outlaw or stifle free trade as your "taking your job" comment insinuates.
So once again, where is your proof that he is a neocon?
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OpenRevolt -- You made my argument better than I could have
The Austrian Movement is an Invidual Anarchist movement -- RP is a noted Austrian Economist. How do we develop "cult of personalities" here on Daily Paul?
Conclusion -- We abdicate authority because carrying the torch of individualism requires constant checking in and checking up -- before swallowing.
Great Post Brother or is it Sister?
Octobox
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He was an ardent supporter
He was an ardent supporter of our recent militaristic adventures, he still may be. When interviewing Dr. Paul in the past, he was compelled to clarify that he disagreed with Dr. Paul's opposition to these wars before he would discuss economic issues. Its was kind of a knee jerk caveat that he would insert into the interviews. I have not seen him do it in some time.
My hope is that he is starting to see how we as a country have falsely defined "national security" as the quest for military empire. This is one of the last and most obstinate beliefs to fall in my personal experience. Maybe Beck is going through this same re-evaluation. Some writings by John Denson and DiLorenzo may be just what the doctor ordered. ;-)
And your proof is....?
Sorry, didn't see any links. Again, you really need to back up your claims with actual proof.
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Beck's caveats . . .
. . sure did annoy me; "I don't agree with him on everything, but . . . " and so on and so on. Particularly, when he called us terrorists?
People are starting to say he could be "waking" up, and he might be turning around to our side. What if he started calling for the end of the Fed? I'd be like, "Wha-wa-wa-Whaaaaatttt?" But I doubt it. Perhaps, as DP'ers, we need to create a "side," just to know what SIDE they're on.
#$#We need to build political strength and political will&*&*
We need to build political strength and political will.
The message is important
...not the messengers. Most of the messengers you mentioned there are merely tools. I saw the Fox News lambastment, I agreed with it, I still agree with it, that's why there's youtube to see the clips that some of the GB fans have put up here. Caution is necessary, paranoia is a different story.
John
P.S. inflammatory language? seriously? well, if that's what floats your boat, but we don't all respond to that type of persuasion.
"Truth is treason in the empire of lies." - Ron Paul
Dude - DailyPaul throws Sensational Language Around like....
......hot cakes -- hahahaha.
It doesn't float my boat -- that was my point.
You can "defeat" my logic with reasoning you don't have to "flame" my "intentions," (straw man).
I agree with what you are saying -- I'm just saying America (Rush's people - Savages people - Olberman's people - Bill Mauer's people - Obama's people) -- You know the 97% who didn't vote for Ron Paul.
They all think Beck is an obsolute idiot and have said so many times.
Last night Bill Mauer and Co (who we applauded last year - by-the-by) slammed the living hell out of Beck.
Olberman (who I believe "believes" everything he says -- he's just a little off on the vehicles of change thing) said Beck and Hanity (whom he knows personally) think all of this is a media "game" -- it's ratings to them. He called them posers and insincere.
And we want to make this guy our "guy."
In the last 4 months I've seen more possitive Beck posts then in the past two years of the RP movement.
Mauer and Co said Beck was "faking his tears and emotions" during that one rediculous show of his -- I saw it and he was faking it.
Glenn Beck (debunking Maher and also debunking FEMA concentration campes): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCZHkOAwEtc
Glenn Beck calls Bernie Sanders a socialist -- We called Bush a socialist and Beck supported the $3Trillion War and Everything Bush!!
Glenn Beck's "phony tears" Video -- Wow watch this Act!! He's an embarrassment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuV1XG517cc&feature=related
Why can't you guys "see this" it's so obvious?
HE'S FAKING IT PEOPLE!!!
Remember when we "ripped" Hillary and her Fake Tears?
Wow People!
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You make a good point sir,
on a lot of these cases. If I came off the wrong way I am sorry, but the message is important.
"Truth is treason in the empire of lies." - Ron Paul
Something people seem to be forgetting,
Dr. Paul said during his campaign that it wasn't about him the messenger, it was about the message. Now fast-forward to present day. Its not about these random people like Glenn Beck and other mainstream personalities etc etc, its about the message of liberty! Waking up more and as many people as we can. Yet be discerning of what these personalities say and sort out the wheat from the chaff, to quote the Bible.
I am just happy to see our message going out to a lot more people.
John
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The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.
"Truth is treason in the empire of lies." - Ron Paul
This was our goal. Let's not be stupid about this.
We wanted to spread the revolution by spreading ideas. Now that some in the media are picking up on Ron Paul's message a few idiots are attacking them for doing EXACTLY WHAT WE HOPED THEY WOULD DO. Please, grab a brain. We want a thousand flowers to bloom, not just one (Ron Paul).
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whack! - right in the cajones
"We have met the enemy and it is us" - Pogo
good piece octo
You're afraid of our movement going mainstream?
Really people we gotta be prepared to WIN. So what if the media stations are all controlled, its apparent to me they can't control the spontaneous organization that's sprung up around their movements. For example Glenn Becks official "912project" has a site- www.912project.org that does a horrible job banding people together, HOWEVER there are at least 3 networking sites that are not official around the movement sparked by Santelli and Beck-
www.resistnet.com
wesurroundthem.ning.com
wesurroundthem.pa.ning.com
these sites have hundreds of people organizing on their own without any oversite. It's out of FOX's or anyone else's control now. They've let the genie out of the bottle and their only saving grace are people like yourself who throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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Agreed
Those who are attempting to jealously guard this philosophy are standing in the way of success. It's not just our movement, okay? It's the movement of Thomas Jefferson, Frederick Bastiat, and many others leading up to Ron Paul. We don't have ownership of these ideas.
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Well, I'll tell you what....
the only way that this Revolution is going to succeed is if the masses KNOW about it. And it is simply a fact of life that the MSM has huge exposure to the masses. So if our guys (Schiff, Napolitano, Rockwell, and Paul, etc.) are getting EXPOSURE then that is the TOOL that is most effective.
If you need to get across town in a hurry, do you worry about whether the Taxi driver is a statist or a free-market philosopher? NO, you USE him to get you across town. If you need to sell a product to the masses, do you worry about whether every employee at the advertising firm that you use is a PURE free-market philosopher? NO, you USE them to get your message out. If our brilliant philosophical standard bearers are USING the main stream media to get the message out..... FINE!
Just because we are thrilled that our guys are getting exposure does NOT mean we are turning over authority to these news casters, nor does it mean that we think things are going to go back to "the way they were" in our childhoods, nor does it mean that our philosophical battle is over. It just means that our guys are exposing more and more of the masses to the RIGHT way of thinking. And this is a GOOD thing.
This Revolution is going to take GENERATIONS.... but it wont happen at all if we remain 1 million people talking ONLY TO OURSELVES. We have to use the TOOLS that are out there to infiltrate the minds of the masses. YES, the same stupid, unthinking masses that we get so frustrated with. So don't take our excitement over a good interview to assume we are all a bunch of idiots, please.
I like your three plans of action. If the MSM were willing to get you on air to promote this plan to the masses....... would you refuse???
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Viva La Revolucion!
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A different viewpoint...
The first thing I want to say is that I have no idea about what Glenn Beck said in the past. Unfortunately, I was "lost" at the time and didn't have the thirst for knowledge that I do now. With that in mind, I would like to point out what he is saying now.
Granted, he has it wrong on some things (war, foreign policy, etc.) but he also is promoting the principles of a small federal government, the importance of family & religion, respect for other human beings, personal responsibility & hard work [think anti-welfare], etc.
The positive things he mentions may be enough to excite and motivate people to learn more about what they can do to accomplish these positive goals, which will most likely lead them to websites like this one in their personal quest for more knowledge..
So, to offer a different viewpoint, I think that (currently) the Glenn Beck show is doing a great job of highlighting some of the principles of freedom and delivering that message to a mass audience. I can't think of a better way to reach so many "un-awakened" people than through a highly rated show such as his.
The challenge we face is to educate people about the points he does not mention (example: sound money, fewer government programs) and the ones which he is wrong about (war, foreign policy,etc.)
Is my viewpoint an unreasonable one?
This is a very thoughtful peace
It gets one thinking. The only point I want to make, and Im not trying to be right or wrong, is that Ron Paul is a Republican. He is not a Libertarian, even though he once was, and has those values. He hasn't denounced the his affiliation with the Republicans, even though he berates them endlessly. To some degree, Dr. Paul is still playing the game. I waiver about my thoughts on the sincerity of Beck, and I cant stand Hannity or Levin. Those two should be strung up for their anti-conservative and obscene neo-con preaching. So anyway, (Ron Paul) being a Republican, is (and we) are going to have to endure the motions of the conservative media to some degree. If they give him time to speak, all you can do is be thankful, and hope people make informed decisions. If they dont, then I dont believe the fight can remain Ron Paul centric. FOX is just too powerful. Be grateful for the time he is given. Be afraid when they take it away (my gut feeling is that will happen when the economy is not an issue, but the ongoing wars start taking center stage again, and keep an eye on this Mexico stuff). But, in the mean time, dont complain, that by talking to Dr. Paul, they are trying to destroy him and his values. People are people, and they are NEVER all going to agree on the same thing.
Apparently, some folks just can't be pleased...
... Especially the pathologically disgruntled.
Fox is without peer when it comes to broadcasting liberty oriented content. Judge Napalitano has been on there for several years now, and he now has an internet based show. Although he doesn't pass the rigid orthodoxy of some here, Glenn Beck preaches liberty from the roof tops on a daily basis. Before that, Neil Cavuto was one of the only business shows to feature Ron Paul on a regular basis.
Are you seeing much of this content on NPR, NBC, CNN ?
Plain and simple, Fox is responding to the market and featuring liberty leaning programming. I dunno, but I heard a rumor that Libertarian types kinda like the whole free market thing... Then again it could just be the evil puppet master from down-under manipulating us all. If we liberty types are that susceptible, then I suspect we are doomed anyway. Bummer.
And check out just a wee bit more history about Reagan. He didn't steal any vernacular from Goldwater. As much as he got side-tracked later on, he was a peer of Goldwater's not a hanger-on. Even Goldwater did not pass the litmus test that is implied here.
Everthing you said was right (in utopian theory)
My friend we don't live in a free-market and CFR-Murdoch and News Corp function in a Welfarist-Corporatist mind set -- they receive massive amounts of gov't regulatory advantages and huge fiat loans to buy up all news agencies they can.
They are the most powerful news conglomerate and operate by every definition of a monopoly (which by definition uses Gov't Fiat to gain advantages to offset lack of consumer interest or to support inefficient divisions).
We have to start thinking how WE WILL THINK in a free-society -- Like a Mantra drawing Liberty towards us.
Corporatist Revenue Stream: 1) Consumers-who-Purchase, 2) Consumers-who-Invest, and 3) Gov't Subsidies
Free-Market Anarchy: 1) Consumers-who-Purchase and 2) Consumers-who-Invest
In a free-society "we control" the corporations and the gov't -- because of how we think and "act."
My post is an "action plan" at the bottom and an articulation of what the CFR has been doing to us for 80 years.
Remember the words "Organic" and "Natural" -- They bought those up too.
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