Major website classifies Ron Paul as "Right Wing Authoritarian\Totalitarian" tilt
Submitted by Invalid10 on Mon, 04/06/2009 - 09:10
Did they miss that he is against the death penalty, for protecting civil liberties and ending the war of terror, for gay marriage, and for legalizing drugs and prostitution? He is also working with Barney Frank to allow Hemp Farming..
LOL
p.s. they also left Chuck Baldwin off the list of 2008 candidates, but in 2004 they included bother the Libertarian and Constitution Party candidates. Maybe they thought these people were too hard to classify?
He Is "Not" "For" Homosexual Marriage
He is against the government regulation of lives.
Some here are as bad as the Main Stream Media by putting words into his mouth!
Smokin' dope, blowin' smoke, same thing,. Puttin' words into his mouth.
it must be a joke.HAHA
it must be a joke.HAHA
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What a mess this is
I couldn't get past the first question, because of its obvious slant towards authoritarianism and poor construction and lack of proper options.
The chart itself is insane, because A) No listing of Barr or Baldwin; B) It has most of the left candidates in the political right quadrant, which isn't even close to accurate; C) It has Mike Gravel as conservative? (I've met the guy, and he's no conservative!)
See also http://muddythoughts.blogspot.com/2008/09/spectrum-standings...
Link please
Please, can anyone provide a link where Ron Paul himself is in favor of gay marriages? I have never read or heard that before today.
marriage
Ron Paul talking about gay marriage and drugs…basically the Federal Government steps out of the way, which is the branch he’s running for.
Invalid10
"Did they miss that he is against the death penalty, for protecting civil liberties and ending the war of terror, for gay marriage, and for legalizing drugs and prostitution? He is also working with Barney Frank to allow Hemp Farming."
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The following excerpt from ronpaullibrary does not sound as if Ron Paul is in favor of gay marriage as your post suggests. Unless we can find a link that proves you correct, I believe you need to correct your post.
http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=367
"The definition of marriage- a union between a man and a woman- can be found in any dictionary. It’s sad that we need government to define an institution that has existed for centuries. The best approach to complex social problems, as always, is to follow the Constitution. This means Congress should restrict federal court jurisdiction when necessary, and social matters should be left up to states under the Ninth and Tenth amendments.
Since the Marriage Protection Act requires only a majority vote in both houses of Congress and the president’s signature to become law, it is a more practical way to deal with the gay marriage issue than the time-consuming process of passing a constitutional amendment. In fact, since the Defense of Marriage Act overwhelmingly passed both houses, there is no reason why the Marriage Protection Act cannot become law this year.
Congress has a constitutional responsibility to stop rogue federal judges from using a flawed interpretation of the Constitution to rewrite the laws and traditions governing marriage. The Marriage Protection Act, if passed by the Senate and signed by the President, will protect the people of Texas from having marriage defined by federal judges rather than the Texas legislature."
rogue judges
Not every pro-gay marriage ruling is automatically mean it's "activist."
Different states have different state constitutions and different state laws, so you can't paint all of these decisions as negative although some may be activist.
But I mean why not call Scalia an activist if that's what you're concerned about? The Bill of Rights probably only applies to the Federal Government, yet Sclalia kind of gave up on the old guard of rules.
This stuff goes on all the time.
nothing "Major" about this site
It looks like an 8th grade project..not to mention the "Story" is 6mnths old. I suppose the poster is just looking for attention. I hope my response fills that need for you.
Kemp nails this chart,
Kemp nails this chart, below, so I won't waste further time pointing out how inferior it is to the Nolan chart. But I found it interesting that its authors state of themselves that they carry no "Ideological baggage". While their leftism is very apparent, even if it were true that they take no political stance, they would be proclaiming they stand for nothing. Impartiality in the face of evil is nothing to be proud of. And their little section on academics who have lauded their chart merely reveals how misled and confused are a great many social science/humanities academicians.
marlow
marlow
Major Idiot Uses Powertagged Headline
How the hell is this a "major website?"
I'm really getting tired of these loons and their sensationalist thread headlines. He's probably just promoting the site.
bump
I wasn't promoting the website lol.
You're the one who bumped the thread that you -didn't like- up.
Hmmm
1. You've been a member here for less than two weeks. That's suspicious.
2. No reasonable person would consider the site "major."
3. As captcorona appropriately points out, the content isn't even remotely timely.
4. And you're in violation of the site posting guidelines by bumping your own thread.
yes
Yes becuase EVERY new member must be suspicious because it's a conspiracy.
Mainly the ones
...who can't spell "because" and who manage to make almost ten factual errors in such a short post.
pointless criticism
When you type fast, you can end up with the keys reversed. That wasn't a spelling error it was a typing error.
It's no different than when you substitute s for d because those keys are right next to each other. This is the same sort of thing.
Misnomers cause confusion
Up and down measures social authoritarianim vs. social libertarianism. Ron Paul shows up as being more socially libertarian then every major candidate. It's no surprise that Nader, Gravel, and Kucinich show up as even more socially libertarian than Ron Paul.
Left and right indicate the measure of economic authoritarianism/ libertarianism. Ron Paul, of course, shows up on the extreme libertarian end of the economic spectrum. I think it is a misnomer to label the graph as left/right. The true left/right spectrum, as most of us think of left/right in politics, is along the SW-NE axis.
The most libertarian place on the graph, both socially and economically, is the SE corner. Of the 19 presidential candidates listed, Ron Paul is the second closest to the SE corner.
I have been through this on a couple of other forums. Most liberal/Democrat types wind up on the SW/NE axis to the SW of Nader. They don't like it when I insist that the left side represents economic authoritarianism.
I agree
The labels in the "political compass" are the biggest problem with it.
The fact of the matter is, their "left" label is just as much a part of authoritarianism as being a social authoritarian is.
The Nolan Chart is much better because its labels are more clear, sensible and accurate.
You can tell the "political compass" people are economic leftists because through their chart they try to distance the idea of economic totalitarianism from the conception of authoritarianism, which is clearly folly.
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You can be Authoritarian and still be a Libertarian
If you are an authoritarian father, minister, boss, or other authority, or you want to follow such an authority, you can be an authoritarian only if your government is libertarian. Otherwise the government will usurp the authority you choose.
We must have a libertarian government unless we think we'd be happy with the authorities elected by voters, and government employees.
IMissLiberty
IMissLiberty
Respecting legitimate authority
Is not the same as being an "authoritarian".
Authoritarianism traditionally applies to the concept of government dictating people's behavior to a significant degree.
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maybe
Maybe Paul is a closet authoritarian.
By far a more accurate spectrum is
the Nolan Chart.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolan_chart
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Nolan
I don't think the Nolan graph is that much different than the one the political compass had.
I find them to be quite different
The Nolan Chart is the most accurate political spectrum I have come across.
The terminology in the "Political Compass" alone is quite inaccurate.
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different
If you rotate the nolan chart 135 degrees clockwise on the XY axis, and then flip it 180 degrees in the Z axis so you end up with the its mirror image, you then have the exact same chart as the political compass one.
Basically
Then Authoritarian vs. Libertarian
Then economic left vs. economic right
Again, the terminology in this chart is not quality
They seem to use the label "libertarian" to mean civil libertarian while authoritarian means being the opposite of a civil libertarian. To label simply the social side of the equation under these labels is willfully misleading, as the terms authoritarian and libertarian apply the economic sphere just as much as to the social sphere.
This appears to be a chart made by economic leftists to avoid equating their economic policy to authoritarianism, which is a false conception.
Additionally, labeling "left" and "right" based solely on one's economic beliefs is also misleading, as the modern left and right conceptions are based on more than economics.
Taken in comparison to the Nolan Chart, the political compass does not hold up as the Nolan chart does not have these same inaccuracies.
Additionally, if you tilt the nolan chart to be diamond shape, with libertarianism at second base, so to speak, the modern conceptions of "left" and "right" become squarely consistent with how those terms are used.
Here is an example of such a chart type:
http://www.ponderthis.net/2008/11/03/election-2008-remember-...
Given these clear conceptual strengths of the Nolan Chart in comparison to the "political compass" it is a waste of time to even further consider the political compass as a useful political spectrum measure. Nolan Chart wins the analytical battle hands down.
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I ended up in Nader Land.
I ended up in Nader Land. lol.
9/11 was BLOWBACK, not an inside job.
"We were really brought down, and chaos was caused, by 19 individuals with box blades..We have to realize that our foreign policy has blowback to it." - Ron Paul
It's a horribly biased test
It's a horribly biased test which purports to be the opposite. If the people who made the test understood what a libertarian was, it wouldn't ask the questions it does the way it does.
I'm an anarcho-capitalist in the same sense of Rothbard and Block and I came up close to right-centrist.
It's nonsense.
Ta,
for gay marriage, and for
for gay marriage, and for legalizing drugs and prostitution?" he's not "for" these things, he's for the feds staying out of things that should be decided by the people of the state.
""Ideas have consequences." Ron Paul
"Ideas have consequences." Ron Paul
Goofy, Yes, But How Is That A Major Website?
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political compass
The political compass has been used for years, and it's probably the most famous political rating test on the internet.
Have you never tried it before?
just went to take the test
and couldn't get past page 1. Didn't like the questions or my choices available to respond with. :(
Agreed. The test itself
Agreed. The test itself made me ill which also provides an indication of why Ron Paul was placed where he was. The entire concept is skewed by the bias of their world-view.
Exactly, which is entirely
Exactly, which is entirely leftist.
Ta,