Anybody feel like having a 9-11 fight?
Posted April 19th, 2009 by MikeLawson
Why did NORAD stand down? Why did building 7 fall? Why were so many Bin Ladens flown out on 9-12? Why did taliban leaders get airlifted to Pakistan? Why has no other skyscraper collapsed from fire before or after, but 3 fell that day? Why do we have a controlled demolition industry?
If the movement's getting hijacked I'm going back to 9-11 truth as a major point. I'll seperate the awakened from the sleepy sheep. I'm sorry Dr Paul, but it's time we really took this one up before it happens again.
Will this thread be pulled like the one discussing Jews?
This thread has been going for several days. Why hasn't it been pulled like this one?
'InfoWarrior' Jason Bermas: Jew Critics Are 'Anti-Semites' Who Should Hang Or Electrocute Themselves
http://www.dailypaul.com/...
The owner disabled all comments on the thread that dared to allow people to discuss the jews. Is Michael A. Nystrom a zionist who likes to quash free speech? Just askin.
Check out http://freedom4um.com for an active & actual free discussion board with no paranoid busibody moderators.
Over & out. ;-)
p.s. watch them 'ban me' now, lol.
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Death of 911 Key Witness Barry Jennings: New Info
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link to other three parts for whoever is interested: http://www.youtube.com/pr...
Hi my name is BagofBalls... I mean felatiothegate!
Paulites against truthers dot com says you all don't know what the F**k you're talking about!
Oh shit I'm missing Hannity and O'Reilly again...
"All great truths begin as blasphemies."
Gee...Am I in the right place?
Somebody said this was the 911 fight room?
uuuhh..okay...we have no fighting...
great. It was a big fat lie just to get me to show up..
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Is it Possible
That you could stop riding on Ron Paul's name or any website that is about "Ron Paul" and form a specific (never to mention Ron Paul by name) website that is dedicated to 911-Truth - Chemtrails - Birther.
You wont -- What you will do is comandeer a site dedicated to liberty and free speech where you are sure not to be kicked out.
Even if the attracting agent (Ron Paul) has said numerous times publically that he does not support the theory that it was an inside-job.
Go back and forth between the Truther site and this site - just leave that business out when campaign for liberty or End the Fed or Ron Paul.
I'm mean Sasquatch and Aliens are real and you don't see me spouting on and on about the Hollow Earth Theory do you? Hollow Earth is provable though.
Or do you think all the "files" are going to be released? Uhhhhhhhh One Day! Dohhhhhh!
Why do they keep incriminating files anyway -- I've never seen an incriminating file they wanted to go away - have you?
I just wish you could take a break -- Because none of you on this site or any other site are even close to coming up with new "evidence" it's just a repackaging of the same thing over and over.
If the "Truth" came out this country would not fall into Anarchy it would fall into Chaos.
I was hoping we could get back to developing an actual game plan for getting as many RP types in by 2010 and "our guy" in by 2012.
I just don't think 911-Truth is the resume builder we want or that Ron Paul wants.
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You are welcome to choose from the other 19 active topics...
...if this one is not your cup of tea.
And regarding new "evidence", there is the "Active Thermitic Material" thread.
As far as people getting back to "developing an actual game plan for getting as many RP types in by 2010 and our guy in by 2012", people can do that as well.
This is not an either/or situation.
Jiminy -- let's rename the site DailyJones (Alex Jones)
Or why not create one -- Because the average topic in here is more Jonesian then Paulian -- seriously.
Are you aware of how many DPers we've lost over 911-Truth (et al)?
I brought 15 people to this sight and every single one of them left owing to 911-Truthers -- Most Americans are the type of Patriots (or wannabe Pats) that would accept (as an introduction to gov't dismantling) the notion of "End the Fed" -- It's a simple argument and demonstratable inefficient abdication of Congress.
They will embrace an end to Taxes -- as a 2nd step.
As a distant 3rd step the end of the Department of Education.
The 98% who voted against us -- Did so, because and in part, of the fringe elements that are the most vocal all over the net. Remember Daily Paul at one time was the preeminent site for Ron Paul info.
We used to have several big name Mises Professors posting here -- We've lost a lot.
I train Military and Law Enforcement in Defensive Tactics and Conscious-Sleep and none of them are even close to ready to believe or take serious 911-Truth claims. Please don't mention Ventura -- He's loved by "real" Navy Seals, but he was a Frog Man (not a Navy Seal) and is thought of as a celebrity-soldier who was nowhere near any action in Vietnam. UDT's rarely if every saw direct contact missions. Trust me I trained many of these guys.
It is "either or" because Ron Paul (our namesake on the site and url) is against the notion of an inside-job -- Making the every single day conversation of it -- The 1000 or more posts, a DailySlap in his face (my opinion). He was asked no less than 4 times in national debates and post debate interviews about 911-Truth.
Let's get the statistics -- I bet 911-Truth and people like me trying to get you guys to let it go until after 2012 are the most post topics.
2nd place would be Chemtrails -- 3rd Fema Camps - 4th Birther (and that's only been going since last June).
When I say there's no new evidence -- Name one politician on board that's ready to go to court? When I say no new evidence I mean that can link it to an "inside-job"
And even if somehow it was a private-job (insurance scam) -- Building 7 -- It would still mean that the Gov't was completely incompitant.
I "know" it was an inside job -- Because of all the targets - Building 7 - The airtrafic fiasco - The un-snapped fighter jets -- et al. I'm a 911-Believer -- I know however that RP has lost some credibility over this.
Rodger Hedgecock and Schnitt both recently mentioned RP's "followers" who believe of an gov't inside job -- They have 10,000,000 viewers each week. If we could removed the RP from the front of the Truth-Movement is all I'm saying -- Why is he forced to give it credibility? It's like identity theft to go on his sites and support something, as his follower, he does not support.
That's not the point. The point is we need to steer the 98% or maybe some tipping point percentage -- maybe 20% of the folks who didn't vote for RP and when that happens we win something.
Ron Paul wants to win End the Fed -- Can we give him that -- Or are we going to demand that if there's one thing that wins it must be 911.
I say keep 911-Truth separate from everything Ron Paul -- Let it stand on its own.
Why should I go somewhere else -- If I bring a friend to this site -- It's Chemtrails - Birthers - FEMA Camps - Truthers
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Your argument is weak....
This site is the free market of thought. As long as people don't keep bumping their own posts, the more popular threads stay at the top.
If 9/11 and related subjects are "hot topics", then it shows that the majority here want to talk about those issues.
I think you are lying about your "15 friends", and I think if they had any brains at all, they would see that there are a variety of subjects to be discussed here.
Roughly 400 people a day come here, or come back here for whatever reasons. I think it is because of the variety of subjects, and the ability to post a subject of interest of your own, that makes the DP a great place.
If you don't like it, you can leave. Like Michael Nystrom says, " The internet is a big place."
Just because you teach a bunch of dumb compartmentalized Govt. lackeys doesn't exactly make you Frank Luntz with your focus group.
Just because they don't get it, doesn't mean the rest of rational thinking Americans wont.
9/11 is the one of the CORE ISSUES to the losses of our constitutional freedoms, and endless wars against a tactic, an enemy in the shadows that could always be anywhere, anytime.
Do yourself a favor, and do some research, and then come back and apologize for your arrogant ignorance.
Do us a favor, and answer some of the questions posed in the OP, so we can get justice for the ones who have died needlessly.
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Gov't Lackeys -- Cops and Navy Seal - Really?
Wow!!!!
You are blind my friend. You are a generalist.
Is it all Cops and all Navy Seals that are "lackeys" or what percentage - how much of their job is lackeyed (all of it) or only the parts you don't agree with. I'm pro-drug legalization and so are most of the cops I've ever trained -- Are you aware of that?
The people I train are all pro-Ron Paul supporters and they get their gov't check from the same place he does.
Remember all the posts about how the military supports Ron Paul more than all the other Republicans and Democrats combined -- Or that law enforcement by and large were mostly Ron Paul supporters when he was running.
It's not like I train Apartheid Cops -- hahaha. "Bad Cops" do not train with me -- never have.
Police Officers have one of the highest rates of suicide by occupation and most of that has to do with "Code Black" hyper-stress disorders, poor diet, non-meditative practices, poor posture, and being told to f-off 100 times per day (usually over stuff the person was rightly wrong for).
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You need to talk to Michael Nystrom
Ask him about 911-Truth and the "hijacking" of this site.
Ask him about all the people that have left and the reasons they gave him.
I think you would be suprised.
I didn't "lie" about my 15 friends -- but when "reason" is suspect why not go with accusations -- wow!
You people are paranoid -- Not everyone is out to "get you" Not everyone is a "troll" if they are not "with you."
Ask Michael about all the moderators who have been deleting posts.
DailyPaul is a nice site because of the good work - it's ease-of-use - etc etc.
Look I will admit -- Porn and Violent Video Games are why we have fast computing today; that's just economic fact.
911-Truth Posts are "hot" -- can't deny that. They are "exciting and sensationalistic" to those who subscribe and they are aggravating for those of us that want to help Dr. Paul -- not that Truthers are against Dr. Paul, it's just that they put 911-Speculation ahead of RP's wishes --which he made very clear. That's what I love about the guy, he will not "force" his view -- even if folks are riding on his name and can't stand on their own.
911-Speculation (might one day) become 911-Fact; but right now it is a non-connected series of speculative dots that can't be proven in a court of law -- Most of the material (building) evidence is destroyed and unless the Powers-that-Be need to destroy the Gov't to bring on the NWO (all) of the connective evidence is destroyed as well.
Nothing would usher the NWO into power quicker than if America "leaders" were found guilty of 911 -- What do you think they would say, "let's give Anarchy a try?"
The people in positions of wealth (right now) are Gangsters of the Worst Order -- not every single one. Most regardless of who they are made their wealth on a Welfarist System -- Their Wealth is Theft; and the latter counts for ALL OF THEM (even Jim Rogers - though I like his pluck and believe he wants free-markets -- fact of the matter he was partners with George Soros for a long time).
It's all good -- I know "debate" is not occuring anymore on this topic -- My "argument" revovles around whether or not it should be done in Ron Paul's name -- We have his picture up all over this site -- It makes it look to the casual viwer that he supports it.
Why not give a disclaimer so 911-Truth on Google doesn't automatically tie to RP blogs - I'm kidding.
Octobox
:)
Well said.
Thank you.
Excuse me,sir.
I was wondering...Is there a fight going on anywhere around here?
I really don't wanna miss it.
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Those people are also welcome to choose from other topics.
Lives and liberties have been lost and are STILL being lost as a result of what happened on 9/11.
Ron Paul is about freedom and liberty.
THAT is why, despite his personal opinion on the subject of 9/11, this topic is NOT inappropriate to this forum.
octobox...
looks like you lose this argument here by the sheer magnitude of numbers...pity for you, accept it please and move on...we've heard you, you've made your point but YOU are in the minority here...c'ya...
O Captain, My Captain, rise up and hear the bells!
Ecorob: I always have faith in "reason"
I said I have 911-Belief
I just can't bring people to this site because it does not represent Ron Paul no more -- His image is all over the site -- His name is on the site -- This site can be pointed out as a fringe Alex Jones type site now.
If you Google: "Ron Paul" you will come to DailyPaul.
Not one of the top 4 post topics does Ron Paul stand for. Truth-Chemtrails-Birther-FEMA Camp Enslavement
You don't "lose" a debate when there is no debate -- I said I agree -- I believe in JFK-Truth (if you will) too -- I believe that the CIA imported drugs into Los Angeles -- I was there I remember those days.
What I'm saying is not being debated -- because people can't let go of something they are not "really" commited to fighiting.
Blogging incessantly is not "fighting" -- it's just lingering.
That college professor who lost his job and his family pursuing 911-Truth and is still at it -- Now that's commitment.
What I'm saying is can the half-hearted - can the quarter-hearted pause the Ron Paul association with 911-Truth or can we at least create a site called Daily-Truth or Daily-Jones; why is that not "possible?"
There's no debate in this forum -- There's no fight.
I'm just casually asking for a new focus and to turn DailyPaul back into the site it was!!
Flame On!
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We are in the real world over here
Things are very very very bad. Don't you see how so many "conspiracies" are being unfolded in front of our eyes. Do you realize Dr Paul was a "conspiracy nut" until just a few months ago. He did not get his views from a stone tablet that is unchanging. Bring your friends, they need to know what's going on in the world. Ignorance may be bliss, but it won't solve anything.
OMG, Dude...
http://www.dailypaul.com/...
Can we not attempt to influence our lord and master?
Every day on here, someone is calling for us to call or write our reps, but Ron Paul is peerless? We cannot influence him because all his views spawn from god himself? Seriously, get over the hero worship.
That's what I'm saying. You should really calm down about this. I have written rants for a long time saying how this issue detracts from our movement and will only upset people rather than wake them up. However, because now EVERYBODY thinks they are awake, I think exposing false flag terror becomes exceptionally important. We can end the Fed and debate monetary policy all day, but it won't get us out of the IMF or the international system unless we expose THE MEANS of their control over the collective psyche. I'm not a forum hopper or a troll. I'm a guy who wants the friggin truth and I don't worship any politicians even if they have two first names.
Yeah... LibBerte's on point
Give me Liberty, OR
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
eye's on the prize, head in the game. http://www.youtube.com/wa...
Or as my favorite fictional football team always says in unison on gameday: CLEAR EYES, FULL HEARTS; CAN'T LOSE!!!
Top 10 Reasons for a New 9/11 Investigation: column from 9/11/07
I don't know for certain who DID mastermind the attacks of that day, but I do know THIS: the "official story" is a lie. The truth is out there, they say -- but not in the official story. Here are ten solid reasons why that is so:
http://www.strike-the-roo...
Once 911 is...
exposed the Government losses all credibility. This would be a major key in ousting all the agencies Dr. Paul is looking to get rid of. How 911 is being swept under the rug by the MSM shows how controlled our media and population is. 911 Inside Job You Say? Wow that's the first time I've heard that. No it was all about jet fuel and 19 arabs and don't forget the missing planes and all the other staged bullshit from that day.
9/11 was an inside job .....time to get some answers..RP 2012
It goes way past "credibility"
There are heinous crimes, the kind that foment angry mob formation. Exposure of conspiracies (you mean they aren't all just theories?!) Rolling heads and such.
Let's Roll
Justice Poetic:
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" ... shattered visage lies,
whose frown
And wrinkled lip
and sneer of cold command,..."
ECHO :
Heads turn,
..............flippant,
when Heads should...
.............................. roll
Exactly
See me post a little further down the thread... 911 is the chink in thier armor, the thing that could very well get the ball rolling.
:)
Why they keep the mk ultra tactics in full force now . They know
exactly how to keep the people stupid and they have beefed it up in a big way this year. If you watch only an hour of TV now you find yourself losing about 30 IQ points an hour if you don't realize you are being bombarded with stupidity that is .
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My wife calls me odd...
I don't watch TV normally.. was raised without one. Every time I try to sit down and watch something she watches I see all kinda undercurrents.
Except Scrubs, of course.. ;P~
I'll let you in on a secret...
Your wife isn't the only one who calls you odd.
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My ex wife used to call me odd for no reason .
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Hey
But I heard you were.. so was that her fault?
~Blink~
"Feel Like Having a 9/11 War?" - Dick Cheney to Paul Wolfowitz
Ron Paul's Convention Speech
Jab, Jab, Hook, Uppercut....KO
REPORT ON FALSE FLAGS IN AMERICA
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"There can be only one permanent revolution - a moral one: The regeneration of the inner man."
—Tolstoy
Someone told me they "care" about Ron Pau
.....but care about the "truth" more.
That is a good point -- when Ron Paul says, "if they cared about me they'd let it go [911-Truth Movement] because it does not represent my view, but I can't tell people what to do." When he says that then begins a campaign to End the Fed -- The Fed being the chief beneficiatory profit agents on the "War on Terror" how has the truth been diverted.
The "truth" is I don't want 911 to happen again.
If we destroy the war profit process then all the lives lost are truly vindicated and their sacrifice had deep meaning.
If we focus on "evidence" from rock or hip hop themed youtube videos (the best ones have the Matrix theme melody) -- I just don't know if that will be enough.
The smoking-gun has been smelted and used to make bricks and beams for Katrina Houses. All of it is gone. Any "documents" -- I mean have "secret" documents that "they" never wanted to resurface have those EVER resurfaced -- THEY LEVELED BUILDING 7 TO HIDE DOCUMENTS, according to Truthers.
There is not one serious journalist (respected by the 98% who voted against RP) or one serious politician (who holds the sentiment of even half the 98% who voted against us) or one "respected" celebrity (who is liked by even 10% of the 98% who voted against us) -- There is NO-ONE willing to step forward and propose a SERIOUS call for an investigation.
However -- There are serious and respected people who are behind Ron Paul and the Campaign for Liberty (End the Fed).
Can't we kill the root -- Can't this be the focus 'till 2013 -- Get all our people in office -- Form a Consumer Union -- Write Books -- Get far far far far far better at getting our message viral -- Innovate Knowledge Transfer -- Develop a better Mousetrap. Afterward when Babylon has fallen we can "force" a proper investigation.
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The Weak Link.
The reason that some of us are tireless in this particular crusade (911) is that it SHOULD be a weak link... a path towards the truth. It should be rather easy to explain to anyone that saw the incident that it was a controlled demo.. and let the debate go from there. Let people grasp that, then go on to bigger concepts, like the Fed.
That there is still a debate on it in the first place just goes to show you that the Department of Education got what they paid for.
Killing the root, as you say, is all well and good... until you figure that you are trying to instill in someone the thought that a global monetary system is bad, that the Fed is basically a Ponzi scheme. The same people who believe that physical laws are situational, according to thier government.
Nope, we've got to destroy the concept that the government is a benevolent system first, then fix the bigger stuff.
911 is the chink in thier armor, the place to start. If you cannot get to the root of that, you'll never be able to take down the giant. If you cannot get the population to pull thier heads out of thier asses and find the little truth there, you will never be able to get them to understand the bigger truths.
I'm more an "original source truther" than a speculator
I feel like it could happen over and over and people will always fall for it unless ALL false flag events are brought into the light before they attempt to use it again.
Bingo.
"...people will always fall for it unless ALL false flag events are brought into the light before they attempt to use it again."
And there is only one way to achieve that goal ....
Any guesses?
WAHOR!!
http://www.dailypaul.com/...
Do tell, Rhino. ;)
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Hint:
There is only one way to cast sun light on all false flags or supposed false flags. There is only one way to prevent conspiracies or alleged conspiracies.
Sun light is the key.
How do you achieve that?
Answer that, and you will understand why I think this whole 9/11 conversation is not important in the grand scheme of things. This conversation and the true answers would fall in place if we all spent a little more time on this other goal and less time discussing speculation.
WAHOR!!
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"sunlight is the key?"
how esoteric - 3000 people were murdered in a false flag op
and 1 million civilians in a trumped up war.
... time for accountability and justice
sheesh
you are the only
you are the only "speculator" whino...
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
Rhino, while people are waiting for that miracle Congress...
Investigation does NOT need to stop.
It's a good thing Niels Harrit and company weren't sitting around waiting.
yes one way only........ Vigilance and constant demand for logic
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Well ... Watchtower ?
"It all has to come from inside, though, I guess."
-- Jimi Hendrix
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
There must be some kind of way out of here
Said the joker to the thief
There’s too much confusion
I can't get no relief
Businessman they drink my wine
Plow men dig my earth
None will level on the line
Nobody of it is worth
Hey hey
No reason to get excited
The thief he kindly spoke
There are many here among us
Who feel that life is but a joke but uh
But you and I we’ve been through that
And this is not our fate
So let us not talk falsely now
The hours getting late
Hey
Hey
All along the watchtower
Princes kept the view
While all the women came and went
Bare-foot servants to, but huh
Outside in the cold distance
A wild cat did growl
Two riders were approachin
And the wind began to howl
Hey
Oh
All along the watchtower
Hear you sing around the watch
Gotta beware gotta beware I will
Yeah
Ooh baby
All along the watchtower
"God, I'm avoiding the truth"
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
brothers, sisters, somebody's gotta change the world
Hey NOW
Put your lights on.
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" ... got nothing to fear ...
... We all shine like stars ..."
Put options
Why won't they investigate those who profited from the collapse of the WTC? If they won't even reveal that then why should anyone defend them?
Anybody ever actually read Northwoods?
If you think the government would never do such things, you may want to read this http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarc...
I'm not saying they did, but they would.
document won't load for me :(
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maybe if you google "northwoods document pdf"
and click the "view as html" option
As a research point 9/11 is useful
but, it is only one event out of many.
The central banks of planet earth are ALL owned by the same group of people.
An amusing media lie is that China owns so much of our debt that they will own America someday. Problem with this lie is as follows.
The privately owned fed manages the sale of US treasury bonds. It is their "franchise."
One of their major buyers is the privately owned Chinese central bank. The Chinese people do not own one penny of America's debt. The people who own the fed and the Chinese central bank own America's debt through fraud.
How about 40 million dead people in WWI? They don't count? You really think killing Ferdinand was why 40 million people got killed in WWI?
Do you know who ran the negotiations of the Treaty at Versailles? Do ya?
The folks who own the bank of England the fed etc... It's all right there in the history books.
I know 9/11 is an emotionally charged issue, but, if it keeps these families in power for one more day then we should consider dropping it and telling everyone we know the the Banks of England, The Federal Reserve, the Bank of France and every other central bank is owned by the same people.
As far as 9/11 goes there is only one point. In the northeastern United States there are 500 jet fighters spread amongst 40 squadrons.
AA # 77 flew around the most heavily defended air space in the world for an hour and forty minutes. Honestly there are other points, but this has been the most weakly defended by the DOD...which is owned and run by the families who own the central banks...ok...? Priorities.
They use emotional issues to divert us from the real truth. Fight fight fight!
everybody hates each other and we never get anywhere.
Read this 5 term congressman...he knows more about that any of us.
http://home.hiwaay.net/~b...
If you don't read this? you are one of them or, are helping them by not making the effort to learn the truth.
This is not about thermite. This is about how truth will bring down the lie and how bitching about one day out of three hundred years is what "they" want.