Executive Summary – The USA state of Montana has signed into power a revolutionary gun law. I mean REVOLUTIONARY.
Executive Summary – The USA state of Montana has signed into power a revolutionary gun law. I mean REVOLUTIONARY.
The State of Montana has defied the federal government and their gun laws. This will prompt a showdown between the federal government and the State of Montana. The federal government fears citizens owning guns. They try to curtail what types of guns they can own. The gun control laws all have one common goal – confiscation of privately owned firearms.
Montana has gone beyond drawing a line in the sand. They have challenged the Federal Government. The fed now either takes them on and risks them saying the federal agents have no right to violate their state gun laws and arrest the federal agents that try to enforce the federal firearms acts. This will be a world-class event to watch. Montana could go to voting for secession from the union, which is really throwing the gauntlet in Obamas face. If the federal government does nothing they lose face. Gotta love it.
Important Points – If guns and ammunition are manufactured inside the State of Montana for sale and use inside that state then the federal firearms laws have no applicability since the federal government only has the power to control commerce across state lines. Montana has the law on their side. Since when did the USA start following their own laws especially the constitution of the USA, the very document that empowers the USA.
Silencers made in Montana and sold in Montana would be fully legal and not registered. As a note silencers were first used before the 007 movies as a device to enable one to hunt without disturbing neighbors and scaring game. They were also useful as devices to control noise when practicing so as to not disturb the neighbors.
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A Craigslist Personal
Posted to Craig's List Personals:
To the Guy Who Tried to Mug Me in
Downtown Savannah night before last.
Date: 2009-03-23, 3:43 AM EST
I was the guy with the black Burberry jacket that you demanded I hand over, shortly after you pulled the knife on me and my girlfriend. You also asked for my girlfriend's purse and earrings.
I hope you somehow come across this message.
I'd like to apologize. I didn't expect you to crap in your pants when I drew my pistol after you took my jacket. Truth is, I was wearing the jacket for a reason that
evening, and it wasn't that cold outside.
You see, my girlfriend hadjust bought me that Kimber
Model 1911 .45 ACP pistol for Christmas, and we had just picked up a shoulder holster for it that evening.
Beautiful pistol, eh?
It's a very intimidating weapon when pointed at your head, isn't it? I know it probably wasn't a great deal of fun walking back to wherever you'd come from with that brown sludge flopping about in your pants. I'm sure it was even worse since you also ended up leaving your shoes, cellphone, and wallet with me. I couldn't have you calling up any of your buddies to come help you try to mug us again.
I took the liberty of calling your mother, or "Momma"
as you had her listed in your cell, and explaining to her your situation. I also bought myself and four other people in the gas station this morning a tank full of gas on your credit card. The guy with the big motor home took 150 gallons and was extremely grateful!
I gave your shoes to one of the homeless guys over by Vinnie Van Go
Go's, along with all of the cash in your wallet.
I threw the wallet in a fancy pink "pimp mobile" parked
at the curb after I broke the windshield and side window out and keyed the drivers side.
I called a bunch of phone sex numbers from your cellphone. They'll be on your bill in case you'd like to know which ones.
Ma Bell just shut down the line, and I've only had the phone for a little over a day now, so I don't know what's going on with that.
I hope they haven't permanently cut off your service.
I could only get in two threatening phone calls to the DA's office and one to the FBI with it. The FBI guy was really pissed and we had
a long chat (I guess while he traced the number).
I'd also like to apologize for not killing you and instead making you walk back home humiliated. I'm hoping that you'll reconsider your choice of path in life. Next time you might not be so lucky..
- Alex
P.S. Remember this motto... an armed society is a polite society!
Very funny!
Loved it.
Now THAT...
Has got to be my favorite post of the day.
TY goldenequity!
F/A
I was excited when I first heard about this but now I find out that they wimped-out and left out full auto the only real victory here is the idea of ditching fed control with IN-state commerce
We've been salami-sliced for
We've been salami-sliced for most of a century. Let's see if it works in reverse.
Once the principle is established, full-autos, LARGE field pieces, and the like can be added by additional legislation, if the legislature is up to it. (Meanwhile it may be that leaving them off helped to get the votes to get this legislation through and/or may help to get keep it from being nullified in court.)
I'm a moderate on gun control. I only want to repeal HALF the laws against them. This year. B-)
The supreme court will just rule against it and that will be
that. Then everyone will roll over because we will not stand together in opposition. No big worry to the NWO.
OK so let's follow what happens here
The issue clearly is the federal government usurping authority over the states. The problem lies in federal funds. If a state takes federal funds, the state acquiesces certain liberties to the feds. We have an example to this with the bailout funds and what states had their hands out for taxpayer money. Isn't it ironic, the fed takes money from "taxpayers", offers states "taxpayer" money as a rescue plan, then ties strings to the "taxpayer" money which favors the fed and not the "taxpayer" who an teed up the money in the first place.
Detective Krum Investigates:
http://victory1project.wo...
http://v1-p.com/
well said
But no seriously I love this country and the freedoms we used to have.
George Carlin
Love the idea and Texas is trying the same thing but.....
In Wickard v. Filburn (1942), in the context of the Second World War, the Court ruled that federal regulations of wheat production could constitutionally be applied to wheat grown for "home consumption" on a farm--that is, wheat grown to be fed to farm animals or otherwise consumed on the farm. The rationale was that a farmer's growing "his own wheat" can have a substantial cumulative effect on interstate commerce, because if all farmers were to exceed their production quotas, a significant amount of wheat would either not be sold on the market or would be bought from other producers. Hence, in the aggregate, if farmers were allowed to consume their own wheat, it would affect the interstate market in wheat.
It seems like this type of thing has been tried before and the courts have ruled against the people... whats your thoughts? ps i dont like the commerce clause its WAY to far reaching...
Yup.
The Court cited Wickard in ruling in Raich that interstate and intrastate commerce are the same thing, when they clearly aren't.
Unfortunately, that's the brick wall the MT bill runs into. Yes, the Court got it completely wrong.
For all those thinking of moving to Montana,
here is a website of a liberty loving Ron Pauler who sells great Montana land, and his site has a video of how his place is off grid and how he did it. I know this fellow, as he is a neighbor of my son who lives there. And the land company he sells for I can vouch for, as we bought our land from them too, only in a different state.
http://wyominglandcompany...
Here is his youtube of him yodeling
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
AWESOME!!!! NOW WE NEED MORE
AWESOME!!!!
NOW WE NEED MORE STATES TO DO THIS!
MARCH ON!!
An Eye for an Eye will ONLY make this world go blind~Ghandi~
Montana
I'm so happy for the Great State of Montana!!
Great Work to all that made this happen!!
Next order of business
Would the logical next step be any business transactions between a employer and employee within state bounds not be subjected to income tax?
Of course they did.....
.....but the Feds control the steel.
There's plenty of steel to
There's plenty of steel to be melted down and processed and created into whatever...
Yes, I know.....I was only...
....trying to make fun of a stupid law that'll never have any effect, much like the "sovereignty" resolutions, Texas secceeding and the NH "free" states project.
Real cute ideas.....but that's about it. No substance.
I'd put that at
about 70% of our military being aware of oaths and following the laws according to the Constitution. In other words roughly the percentage of campaign contributions received by the Dr Ron Paul Campaign. I know it's not exact but it is something to work off of. When I think about soldiers
and the communities, I think of armed military taking guns in New Orleans after Katrina, they tried the same thing in Iowa after the flooding in 05 but the Iowans told them to F### Themselves and apparently they did. IT CAN HAPPEN IF SO IT NEEDS TO BE REBUFFD WITH PREJUDICE.
Give me a year...
Until I graduate from learning medecine. I'll happily go and tend to any free states and their wounded, should it come to violence! Go Montana! Anybody know if there are any gun manufacturers based out of Montana? I would gladly support them by buying from them.
Wake me up!
I must be dreaming. What a cool state!
This, AND the governer is a Democrat!
Oh, and Dan, ("are any of you... ready to lock and load and show up in Montana to lend them a hand in repelling the aggressors... or are you just going to rant and rave about liberty safely from your own abode... ...talk is cheap and i think we as a nation have done enough talking to leaders and others that dont [sic] care to listen.
...Montana will be the 'bunker hill' of the rebirth of our REPUBLIC")
you'd make a great agent provocateur!
Isn't the issue with secession etc....
have more to do with the amount of money the federal government gives that state and their ability to withold it.
Since 1900 the plan has been to make everyone and everything dependent on the federal government.
Is Montana relatively free of need for federal funds? What do they have 900,000 people? That is one person for every 6.5 sq miles.
Seems they have plenty of room.
Beautiful up there.
Guess I can start packing.
One poster suggested "boots on the ground" What the hell would the feds do? 147,000 sq miles?
They can't do Iraq and what soldiers would impose unconstitutional law on their fellow Americans?
All these armed revolution scenarios have nothing to do with reality.
The soldiers won't do it and why would a police man from another state do anything?
Federal agents? There aren't enough federal agents to go "seize Montana" or any other state. You think there are tens of thousands of US marshals? You think they are all going to start shooting innocent Americans?
Lose the bloody revolution angle. The men in power would NEVER try it
Most of the reason for this is that the military would tell them to shove it.
You watch way too many movies. Our military are the biggest patriots of all.
"If the appeal to arms is
"If the appeal to arms is made, it will depend entirely on the disposition of the army whether it issue in liberty or despotism." --Thomas Jefferson to Edward Rutledge, 1788
Thats the question.Will the military follow "orders" or uphold their oath.I'm pretty certain that the president and those high up in rank in the military would word it so that it would seem to be justified,but lets hope it does not come to that.
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"I love the Union and the Constitution, but I would rather leave the Union with the Constitution than remain in the Union without it." - Jefferson Davis
Try
to tell that to the people in Waco or Ruby Ridge.
MONTANA
I would volunteer to help if worse comes to worse vs. the fed. Time to step up to the plate, patriots. This means being ready for what ever the time brings.
Shotguns not included
Why would they exclude shotguns?
Section 5. Exceptions. [Section 4] does not apply to:
(4) a firearm that discharges two or more projectiles with one activation of the trigger or other firing device.
Last time I checked, shotguns fit this description.
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Guard, protect and cherish your land, for there is no afterlife for a place that started out as Heaven - Charles M. Russell
full autos
shotguns you have to pull the trigger twice to fire both rounds....an automatic like a select fire full auto AK-47 would better fit the description...imo
When it come to the law...
... I don't want guesses, I want specifics. Just look at all of the controversy the wording of the 2nd Ammendment causes.
Montana doesn't specify full auto, or select fire Class 3 firearms, so shotguns fall under their definition - ONE pull of the trigger discharges 2 or more projectiles. Think Buckshot and Birdshot, where many pellets or balls (i.e. - Projectiles) are discharged from a single shell and out of the barrel from a single pull of the trigger.
Important laws MUST be carefully written and thoroughly checked to make sure the assho....uh... Lawyers don't have anything to chip away at. This is an embarassing mistake on their part (if it was a mistake). It's hard to believe that nobody in Montana would read this and not say "hey, a shotgun does that", which would lend credibility to the thought that it was written that way to include shotguns. It's sloppiness like this that leads to big problems later on.
Don't assume... Don't make an ASS of U and ME.
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Guard, protect and cherish your land, for there is no afterlife for a place that started out as Heaven - Charles M. Russell
Bring allot of questions to my mind:
If I lived in a state that enacted this, and owned things that might be against the written law in another state, could I continue to own them if I moved in to one of them. I bought them legally, I didn't transfer to buy, sell, or transport them for commerce. This is going to be very interesting to watch.
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I love my country
I am appalled by my government
looks like Texas has had a similar bill introduced by
Leo Berman in the House.
http://www.legis.state.tx...
when montana needs help
if the feds were to put US marshalls or 'boots on the ground,' are any of you who think that this is a great move by Montana, ready to lock and load and show up in Montana to lend them a hand in repelling the aggressors and the unconstitutional us government. or are you just going to rant and rave about liberty safely from your own abode, for if this is to play out then we must as 'just plain folk' that beleive in our liberty and constitution spill the blood of freedom and throw the yoke of tyranny from our necks.
talk is cheap and i think we as a nation have done enough talking to leaders and others that dont care to listen. the tea parties were the last stage of just trying to talk to them. you all see what type of impact they had , comrade peloski wants more $$$ for troops in yet another illegal war. so Montana will be 'the mouse that roared' or forever we will be made to toe the party line
GOD BLESS AMERICA and those that will defend her
Montana will be the 'bunker hill' of the rebirth of our REPUBLIC
I think you'll find that
I think you'll find that virtually all of those who actually WOULD go will not post about it in reply to your question. Why would they risk getting onto a list operated by the very government they feel obliged to fight? If the government has become their enemy, why help the enemy?
It's like questions about whether you have guns in the house asked by, for instance, a doctor. The answer is always "no".
I volunteer!
I volunteer!
Awesome!
Makes me wish I lived there! Hopefully they will stick to their guns (pun intended) and stand up to the federal government's bullying. This could motivate other states to follow in their path. It's too bad that Illinois will likely never make a change for the better. We can't even get a concealed carry license. Go Montana!!!
not sure
but I think open carry is legal in Illinois
in rural areas anyway
http://opencarry.org/open...
Bravo!
Bravo!
Great work Montana!
I really wish folks in Oregon would see the great value in this kind of move by a state. It has great implications beyond gun laws.
Chris
cascadiagames.com
maybe we should show them
I just emailed all my reps. I encourage everyone to please do the same.
Show them that international treaty Obama signed http://www.oas.org/juridi...
Or this cnn report http://www.youtube.com/wa...
California
California has many reps in the House. They tend to overwhelm smaller populations. Of course, many of the population centers in CA are anti-gun, or at least vote for politicians who assume they are. (Residents may quietly own guns, but not advertise it.)
This makes me wonder about the relationship between Montana and the State of California. Whether they will be opposed or allied, and at which levels of government. Especially because they have "the West" in common.
The other thing that's interesting is the commercial aspects. The potential to jump start economic activity by carving out islands of freedom is very interesting. California has chosen to have the highest sales tax, and is putting measures on the ballot May 19, to keep them high for longer. As business and boomers flee the state, so does its revenue.
This is an excellent time for states to show each other how freedom works.
IMissLiberty
That's a great point. I can
That's a great point. I can seriously see myself moving based on issues such as these. If Montana did something like this, I think there would be a HUGE rush for others to go there, start businesses and become a shining beacon of free market/freedom.
Thanks for posting this
Thanks for posting this great news.
Looks like Tennessee is following Montana's lead.
Lets hope this catches on.
http://www.wztv.com/newsr...
That's great
I hope it catches on!
I think
Montana should be the free state project.
YESSS !
I will be in Montana next week visiting to see if I want to transfer to University of Montana.
Hopefully it all works out, haha.
MIzzoula is a beautiful
MIzzoula is a beautiful city! Lots of gambling places around the city, if I recall correctly...
WOW!
go montana!
What book is that quote from?
I recently bought a used copy of "The Kingdom of Heaven is Within You," and I wonder if that quote comes from it. I haven't had a chance to crack it yet.
This is directed to that post below, I just misposted it, sorry!
bump
"There can be only one permanent revolution - a moral one: The regeneration of the inner man."
—Tolstoy