Remember the Pastor that was tazed and beaten? Watch.

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Why not just "let them do their thing"?

Why are you here? What is it that you want from your affiliation with Ron Paul? What is YOUR definition of "do their own thing"? And what are YOUR limitations to "letting them"?

Hey, while we're at it, why not let them taze people for smoking when they stop them? I mean, even if it is somehow a usurpation of their rights, it is "good" for them...right? Wouldn't it be good for the rest of us as well since the smoke escapes into the environment? I guess it should be allowed then? Or it should, at the very least, be left up to the discretion of the officer...you-no?

If stopping you for "your papers" without probable cause IS'NT a "clear violation" I don't know what is...you-no?

**“The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them.” ~ Mark Twain **

Pastor Anderson was standing up for the law, the Supreme Law.

That is highly commendable.

His personal beliefs are of no relevance.

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Your disclaimer says it all..

Might as well read..

"Hi Freedom and Liberty lovers. Just to let you know where I am coming from, I'm not a big Constitution fan. That, of course, doesn't mean I"m right, I'm just trying to disclose."

Much more clear...your obviously in the wrong neighborhood, but we could sure open your eyes if you would stick around and keep an open mind. It takes some study and we do ask that you do some of your own research and not take our words for it...just like we would ask that you not be brainwashed by the government approved mainstream media.

It's your choice.

the pastor is an AWFUL person, he still has rights under the Constitution. That is what we are arguing here. We aren't arguing for him personally. We don't know him and we might not like him. We probably don't like everything about each other here. But, we celebrate each other's rights. I will defend to the end his rights, even if it is to do something I don't agree with.

So, thanks for the info. We don't want to paint the guy as a hero, we just want liberty and the Constitution followed.

Healthnut4freedom

"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6

Steve parent returns and his crones are with him?

WTF dude? I guess it shouldn't surprise us given your caveat concerning Ron Paul.

So, what, in your world, constitutes a "worthy" beating as opposed to an "unworthy" one? Who exactly should the Cops attack for standing up for their rights as opposed to who they shouldn't? Do hair style and clothing come into your bigotry? How about body weight? I mean, you know, fat people aren't very smart or responsible individuals given that they probably are littering all over the place with those McDonald's wrappers.

I just can't wait for some of those Cops to beat the shit out of fat people and maybe knock some sense into them. When the fat people get the message of who is in charge and who they must obey and that overeating is not to be tolerated, then they can concentrate on the REAL problem...smokers. All smokers should be stopped by Cops and tazed. After all they are a bane to society and NOBODY can argue that someone who pollutes the very air we breathe is anything but an awful person and deserves whatever the state wants to dish out.

Then, after the "awful" smokers are dealt with, we can turn to those assholes that buy foreign cars. Now they are truly awful and are, in fact, terrorists who have frightened the masses with their un-patriotic buying habits. Anyone driving a foreign made vehicle should be tazed for it...simply cuz I don't like foreign made vehicles...they are truly "awful". And if they don't get the message after being tazed, I hope the Cops drag their freakin' faces through broken glass and bust a few ribs...boy that'll get 'em behind the wheel of a Chevette...

**“The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them.” ~ Mark Twain **

You are new here but, welcome...stick around and we will open your eyes.
When you leave you will feel like you have just been baptized.

about him? Please list your dislikes, so we can see where you are coming from. I suspect that this is not the place for you.

The Constitution is also for hate mongering psychos like you.

You're "not a big Ron Paul fan" so do you deserve to be beaten and tazered by fascist pigs??? NO because this is America and her fundamentals are built on freedom and liberty.

So what kind of anti-American fan are you?

So your stance is that because you do not like what he preaches, he "deserved" what he got? sorry, i am not picking up what you are laying down.

Do you have something against hate mongering psychos? Hate monger.

BTW I think he is simply a man of conviction. He also goes out door to door and shares the gospel with people because he doesn't want them to go to hell. This is his belief. He lives it, and he is persecuted for it, and he keeps living it none-the-less. I have listened to several of his sermons and found him to be quite a patriot and well versed on our founders ideals. I don't always agree with what I heard from him, and even think he tends to be a bit angry from the pulpit for my taste, but I can't fault the guy for preaching what he believes, and living it too.

The great thing about liberty is that people with all different views should be protected from senseless violence at the hands of the state. I may not agree with what you say, but should I not join with you in defending your right to say it?

If the driver of the vehicle in the video was Hitler that still isn't going to matter. The officers had no right to do what they did. PERIOD.

It is telling that you are not a Ron Paul supporter.. you have no conception of the term personal liberty. Those of us that understand the term naturally gravitate towards Ron Paul. Those that don't just don't ~get~ him. We're used to that... ;)

If your primary focus is to point out that Mr. Chandler has his own opinions, then you have done so. In a real America, he would be allowed that.

Which doesn't change the fact that he should not have been treated as he did in America.

And try to justify torture and beatings because of what this man was preaching.

I don't care if it was Hitler incarnate in that car, it's still Unconstitutional and against his rights.

Understand this and reevaluate your stance.

"What was taken from the boomers, it ain't there, what was taken from the X'ers it ain't there, what is being taken from their great, great, great squared grandchildren it ain't there. Some generation just has to have the guts to quit passing it on." Me

He has a right to be an awful person - if that were the case.

Of course! With sovereign immunity the actual people who assaulted the pastor won't have to pay a dime, even if there's a judgement or deal that favors the pastor.

Who'll pay? The taxpayers will.

I agree, he ought to be able to sue. But he ought to be able to sue the individuals who violated his rights, not me by proxy through the government.

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The effect of the army is first to get the BP to waive through people who know their rights. They won't be shut down until others know their rights, too, and everyone is waived through. Clogs will only happen early on until the BPs realize people actually know their rights.

look at that evil grin by the guy in the window on the still frame of the second video from the top.

It won't be long before a few heavy handed cops get the crap beat out of them by a mob.

...protects the right of the people to be secure in their persons against unreasonable searches and seizures. It does not equivocate and it does not specify Fe'ral or State level abuse. Lacking a warrant or probable cause (supported by oath or affirmation), the uniformed bullies were not issuing "lawful orders". Not, of course, that any of that matters to the mindless drones of modern America.

are they Arizona state employees or Federal Border Guards? And weren't basic Constitutional rights violated? Was such extreme force necessary when they knew this preacher and saw him in their checkpoint often?
I assume they had an unknowing sucker Arizona cop come in and lied to him about the dog sensing something and therefore got their revenge.....for now. Payback is coming.

to avoid Arizona..

Or any state that has these checkpoints.