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They burn a lot more than bibles

Search youtube for "burn pits" and you'll see. US firms with "cost plus" contracts use burn pits to sicken our troops and massively enrich themselves. Here's how it works. The contractors send as much extra junk as they can to Iraq. They charge the gov't for what it costs PLUS the contractor's percentage fee. For example, KBR might send 2,000 wheelbarrows to Iraq when they only need 12. The extra 1,988 wheelbarrows then get burned in a pit. KBR pockets their fees, burns the equipment, and then the whole process repeats itself. Military invoices or requests for equipment are notoriously corrupt and this is a major reason why. "Cost plus" contracts create every incentive to bilk the government and then burn the equipment. It's a metaphor for the entire war.

I've read stories about KBR removing oil from the engines of trucks used to haul supplies from Kuwait to Iraq. When the engine seizes up, because the Army no longer services their own vehicles and because there's a huge backlog (surprise surprise) for maintenance, the contractors burn the entire truck and then send a new one. Repeat over and over. This stuff happened in Vietnam too.

You know what else we burn?

You know what else we burn? I got there before the war started and was there during...Before bases are established we use 4 hole burnouts..look em up..we defecated and urinate into a half and oil drum full of kerosene..then when its full its the new guys job to sit and stir it while it burns..sounds fun huh? Plus we have huge pits that we throw all of our trash in and the dead dogs and everything else...it was great waking up every morning to the smell of that..I'll take the folgers any day...

the sad thing is

that many of these outraged "christians" support murdering the middle easterners.

Paper is more valuable to them...

...than actual living breathing infidels and their spawn.

Most "christians" are amoral slugs who care more about empty ritual and paperback mythologies, even if they're printed in languages that they can't even read, than they care about real people.

Perhaps I have a skewed view, but fewer than ten per cent of the "christians" of my acquaintance have actually read their so-called sacred text. If scholarship were salvation, I would be saved and they would be condemned. But of course, having read the rules, I know that neither scholarship nor "good works" win one a ticket to paradise.

Tell it to Dred Scot

I don't feel that your views

I don't feel that your views are skewed at all..I have the same issue..I find it almost crazy that I as an Atheist know more about religion and the bible than almost all christians I come across..I feel that I'm not able to refute or dispute something that I have no knowledge of..Yet most christians know nothing of their own scripture..but are so quick to condemn...People are suprised if they see me pick up a bible and read from it..but how can I tell them the truth if I don't know about the lies?

"when the Son of Man comes,

"when the Son of Man comes, will He really find faith on the earth?”
Luke 18:8

Alrighty Then!! Let's just dance!!


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Good Lord to God people!!! I thought as "enlightened folk" we'd dispensed with burning literature of any kind!! Huh?

What in the world??!!! If we found out our guys were over there burning the flag by the box full, we'd be all to pieces!! There better be some significant pieces missing outta this Bible they're burning -- some hideous misprint. There are libraries ya know that would have loved these books!!!

I mean the fellas that were ordered to do this, who knows how they felt? Post Bible Stress Syndrome?

Marshmallows anyone? Good grief!

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Freedom is not: doing everything you want to.
Freedom is: not having to do what you don't want to do.
~ Joyce Meyer

Freedom is not: doing everything you want to.
Freedom is: not having to do what you don't want to do.
~ Joyce Meyer

Those Bibles were written

in two Afghan languages and I agree they could have been sent back for anyone that reads those languages instead of being burned.
Our troops are free to worship amongst themselves but it IS against military rules to preach or spread religious material in an occupied country.

I would love to see Christian outrage over the burning of innocent civilians instead of being outraged over the bibles (which they should know was against military rules before sending them.)

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"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd

Return to Sender option malfunction?

Seems like I remember hearing or reading that a Muslim can get in big trouble (dead) for being in the possession of the Bible (???) Or maybe it's the New Testament? Not sure, I'm "Bible-Belted" so I'm just learning. If that's true, that would make this somewhat weirder.

I imagine this kind of thing has happened a zillion times already in this "war" and all others. You know how driven some folks can get about God....I can see someone being over there and "bearing super-conviction" considering all they see and experience. Perhaps this was encouraged by the people? We don't know if this person made a deal with Billy-Bob Al-zachristi to get the Bibles to his family/church and got busted. I dunno. Would that have been bad on the part of the Bible importer? I dunno. It all feels kinda icky.

I understand it's not proper to insinuate a "state religion" ....I'm tripping on the "burning books" part....I thought that was always a warning sign?

You would think Return to Sender would suffice. :)

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Freedom is not: doing everything you want to.
Freedom is: not having to do what you don't want to do.
~ Joyce Meyer

Freedom is not: doing everything you want to.
Freedom is: not having to do what you don't want to do.
~ Joyce Meyer

I agree..... but then again

I agree..... but then again we are only there to kill them.. heaven forbid we give them """""bibles""""""

"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

I'm pretty sure that they

I'm pretty sure that they wouldn't be overly upset if they were burning the quaran either...

They're just books...paper

They're just books...paper with words on it..nothing more nothing less...would probably make for good campfire...kumbaya

Too some the Rebel flag is offensive

Yet it's still just a piece of fabric.

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Freedom is not: doing everything you want to.
Freedom is: not having to do what you don't want to do.
~ Joyce Meyer

Freedom is not: doing everything you want to.
Freedom is: not having to do what you don't want to do.
~ Joyce Meyer

You're exactly

You're exactly right...nothing means anything until you give it meaning...

And the Bible means something to me

However, I'd also be pissed if they were burning Les Miserables or Nancy Drew. It'd be like if the troops burned a bunch of "Baby's First Steps" books, every mother in America would be like "Sniff sniff". I get that it is relative.

When will you be putting the Rebel flag back up on the SC Statehouse?

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Freedom is not: doing everything you want to.
Freedom is: not having to do what you don't want to do.
~ Joyce Meyer

Freedom is not: doing everything you want to.
Freedom is: not having to do what you don't want to do.
~ Joyce Meyer

"When will you be putting

"When will you be putting the Rebel flag back up on the SC Statehouse?"
Considering I am from New England..Never....
But I see one of the biggest in America beside religion is political correctness..Every body is worried about hurting somebody elses feelings..I'm a straight shooter...if somones feelings get hurt..tough luck..get over it...not to say that I intentionally try to offend people..but people are too damned sensitive...

Every Crucifix is offensive to me

It's a reminder of the hideous Roman device of torture and murder used to subjugate the British Isles during the occupation. I'm still waiting for reparations from Rome.

Tell it to Dred Scot

If Jesus had been shot, would people buy more gun necklaces?

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I know, I'm just saying.

In Farnham's Freehold...

... members of the dominant culture wore tiny gallows replicas, as the messiah in that story had been hanged by the neck until dead dead dead.

Lenny Bruce did a cute riff in which he posited a twentieth century messiah who had been electrocuted, so that generations thereafter wore little electric chairs.

Death cults are so funny.

Tell it to Dred Scot

Thanks Prof..I was trying to

Thanks Prof..I was trying to remember which comedian that was...By the way..I sent you an e-mail...

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Good...Their not supposed to

Good...Their not supposed to be trying to hand them out.....

ahh they are just supposed

ahh they are just supposed tonbe over there killing them correct?

"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

Are you serious with this

Are you serious with this stupid, stupid comment? What does one have to do with the other? Surely you could have come up with something better to say...We are not supposed to be pushing any sort of religion on anybody..Rules...And a good one I must say...This whole command, conquer and convert thing has been going on for ages..So let's convert them to christianity so they stop killing us and kill other people instead...No, we're not supposed to be over there killing anyone..but do we do other things we're not supposed to do just because we're already doing something else that we're not supposed to be doing? Pure ignorance...

the problem is you are a

the problem is you are a stupid stupid individual.. think about it.. is it better to give them a bible or a 150 grains of copper and lead to the head?
better yet logic.. its more logical not to even be there in the first place.. take your anti bible, anti God bias and shove it... hows that? the only showing pure ignorance is you..

"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

Not, to get into a religious discussion, but. . . . . .

When they aren't on duty aren't they free? Should they not be allowed to do whatever they want on their own time?

This is the same sort of logic (no pun intended) that says that "terrorist" don't have Constitutional rights.

If we truly believe that rights and liberty doesn't come from government but are natural rights, then what authority does the government have to dictate what they do in their personal life/time, any more than they have the right to to tell a guy he can't stand on a public street corner and talk about the dewi-decimal system?

We own ourselves, the government doesn't own us. They think they do, but they don't. This, to me, sets a dangerous precedent, it further entrenches the concept of the government gives us rights, rather than our rights are natural.

If we as people don't have the "right" to interact with others, then what do we have?

To use the argument that this would cause them to be offended and fight us, is absurd. They are fighting us to get us the heck off of their land, they are going to keep fighting us till we leave. They are offended that our government has invaded, occupied and killed them.

If these soldiers meet up with someone who isn't shooting at them, and give them a Bible, a comic book, a muffin, or hair drier, to think that they would then start to fight them even more is silly.

It just falls into the underlying propaganda that these people are sub-human, this is the propaganda that our government has been pushing for years without coming out and saying it.

They imply this by giving all the crazy reasons they are fighting, by labeling them with crazy names, by holding them without trial, by creating special courts that are sure to condemn them. By saying that they are not eligible to receive the same natural rights that we supposedly have, just because they aren't american citizens.

So instead of maintaining that all men have the right to govern themselves, the government says that the "insurgents" , "the terrorist", etc. are less than human and don't have these rights.

And, now yet another precedent has been set that US citizens don't even have these natural rights that were specifically mentioned by our Declaration of Independence and supposedly guaranteed not to be infringed by our Constitution.

"What was taken from the boomers, it ain't there, what was taken from the X'ers it ain't there, what is being taken from their great, great, great squared grandchildren it ain't there. Some generation just has to have the guts to quit passing it on." Me

Tea Party People--Folks that want to be on the winning team, and just so happen to think that the republicans have cuter helmets and jerseys. Don't matter if the two teams always tie to them, they KNOW they really won.

Well...

We own ourselves, the government doesn't own us.

That is untrue if you are in the service, you ARE the property of the government. Case in point, I received a letter of reprimand when I was in the military in Florida for a BAD sunburn. Reason given? Destruction of Government property.

Surely you jest?

I'm hyper-caucasian -- I'm so white, you can almost see through my skin....
I mean I can fry in 15 minutes. Good thing I never went into the military....I'd be nothing but walking depreciation.

What'd you have to due for repentance? A hundred push-ups and a glob of Noxema?

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Freedom is not: doing everything you want to.
Freedom is: not having to do what you don't want to do.
~ Joyce Meyer

Freedom is not: doing everything you want to.
Freedom is: not having to do what you don't want to do.
~ Joyce Meyer

I'm dead serious.

I'm red and white... Cherokee/Irish, so I burn quickly too the first time in the spring. Repenance was a $100 fine and a permanent blemish on my record.

I didn't really care about either.. I had transferred from a RAT based in Saudi to Florida to outproccess. So I was out soon after.

However, they do own you... and there is no ~off duty~ while you serve. You are not allowed a lot of things, like participating in several civil groups to owning your own church. Just a part of service.

Hi 5 Brother Vet

It's just the broad military culture. Volunteer GIs are not slaves, but for the duration of the contract we were indentured servants who had temporarily surrendered some of our rights.

Tell it to Dred Scot

You know...

The more we share, the more we have in common... ;)

I agree with your summation entirely... I was QUITE happy to get my temporarily surrendered rights back at the end of the term though!

They can do alot of things

They can do alot of things for alot of things..sunburns..tattoos..piercings..even if theyre not visible..service men can't even wear earrings on military instalations...amongst many other things...we have a lot of rules that most people would either laugh at or be in amazement of...

I'm sorry Odell, but they do

I'm sorry Odell, but they do own us in a sense..No we are not just allowed to do whatever we want off duty..We are on duty 24 hours a day and are held to the same standars both in and out of uniform..

I like the part bout "trying not to offend the muslim population

Like invading their country and occupying it for 7 years or more isn't offensive. Like shooting, bombing, and killing them isn't offensive. Yeah, they were fine with all that stuff, just make sure that a solider doesn't show them a Bible, that may offend them. Just invade, occupy, and kill that isn't offensive.

"What was taken from the boomers, it ain't there, what was taken from the X'ers it ain't there, what is being taken from their great, great, great squared grandchildren it ain't there. Some generation just has to have the guts to quit passing it on." Me

Tea Party People--Folks that want to be on the winning team, and just so happen to think that the republicans have cuter helmets and jerseys. Don't matter if the two teams always tie to them, they KNOW they really won.

I give a

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