Weekend Pondering: Is Facebook a Front for the CIA?
Has anyone else heard this story about Facebook being a CIA front? It was a Ron Paul supporter I met at the Rally on Lexington Green who tipped me off. I'd never heard it before (which was unusual, since I thought I was hip to all the conspiracies).
Remember the old story about the sun and the wind having the competition to see who could get the guy to take his heavy overcoat off? The wind blew as hard as it could, but the man just clutched more tightly at his coat. Then the sun came out, friendly and warm, and they guy took his coat off voluntarily.
If the government really is just a criminal syndicate like the mafia (as some claim), it knows it has to maximize its resources and achieve productivity gains. The KGB/Stasi is the old school, inefficient, labor & resource intensive model of spying. See: The Lives of Others for the gist. The old method involves too much work, and too much human involvement.
If innovation in the spying industry takes place, Facebook could be the newest, most innovative model. Let the computers do the spying! But after the outcry over the forceful, wind-like Information Awareness Office, a new model was needed. So along came the friendly, sunshine-like "social networking" site whereby people actually volunteer all of their information for anyone and everyone -- including the government -- to see. It plays so perfectly to that constant of human nature - vanity - to get folks to reveal what they never would otherwise.
Here's another article on the subject, though most of the information is the same as the video.
These days it is impossible to tell what is true anymore. My question du jour seems to be who is lying to me today and why? I deactivated my Facebook account yesterday. This was not primarily reason, though it did play its part. (Though it's not like I'll be able to hide now.) Mainly there's just too much information to keep up with. How much of it is really necessary? When the Revolution comes, we'll know. You won't need Facebook to tell you. In the mean time, my stay as incognito as possible and conserve your energy.
Of course, what do I know? I'm just a dude with a blog. I figure the best way to get to the bottom of this is turn it over to the good people on the Daily Paul. After all, 30,000 heads are better than one. What do you know about this one?
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SUBVERSION and being on the DEFENSIVE
or even just plain "catching up"". of course, people obsessed with control will always find whats hot and try to subvert it or use it to their advantage.
there is no CIA=Facebook or the other way around. there are just groups of special interest people trying to ride-along, or create "useful idiots" as pawns,[be it companies,politicians or events]. "catching-up"also means they are in part "left-behind"; indicating they are currently at a disadvantage.
let them[whoever is obsessed with control and power politics] try to gobble up anything and everything that could advance their interests. they are walking a tightrope and it requires a hell of a lot of effort for them to be able to "control the world" or even a semblance of it.
everyone,just enjoy yourselves and enjoy new things like facebook--and leave these crazy people behind. when they start to totally control facebook, another "good thing" will pop-up for us. and the cycle starts all over again. the world is a nonlinear system--control has a linear, "cause and effect" structure. these guys are chasing phantoms that only they themselves believe exist. good day to all
Let them
Let them know who I am and what I believe. Education works better than force; therefore, we win.
Not so much a "front" as a "happy accident" for the bad guys.
Facebook is a commercial enterprise that has been exploited by a host of organisations and individuals (public and private) that have no direct financial interest in the firm.
Bottom line: its a way of gathering "the goods" on people. Steer clear.
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
Jesus.
Nystrom? did you really post this. Damn.. and I use facebook.. however I don't tell secrets or use keywords online or on the phone.. Then again I really don't have to many secrets to begin with... lol
Compile a data base on me.. I've nothing to hide.
Money is the root of evil...
The quote is semi-true. Conspiracy or not, you have to make the connections, and where there are connections, there is usually money involved in things like this. And if you can't make the connections, then you'll never be able to see the big picture.
You call yourself a libertarian?
No, money is not the root of evil. Jesus, you sound like a socialist in training.
The "connections" thing always undermines these theories
Ok, so the guy who put up $500,000 venture capital was once on a VC group, and one of the people who was once in this group was part of another company that was once tied to the CIA. Michael Moore couldn't have put it worse. I can find connections between Sesame Street and my toilet paper supplier. Does this mean Sesame Street controls my toilet paper?
People get carried away when they start finding "connections" and using that as a substitute for actual proof.
You have never once argued the side of actual conspiracy.
People commit conspiracy every day.
you're just a coincidence theorist, and a predictable one at that every time you speak I can rest assured you're pushing disinfo.
I'm not a big believer in
I'm not a big believer in conspiracy, as many DPers here know about me. I actually don't have an opinion as to whether Facebook is a "CIA front." Scroll down and read some of my comments on this thread, and you will see that there is no doubt that law enforcement is trying to use Facebook as one of its many tools to gather information about people like us. This is not conspiracy, though perhaps it smells like that to many reading this. The information I have presented in my posts is independently verifiable. The more research I do into how law enforcement is gathering and sharing information about law abiding citizens who are only exercising their first amendment rights, the more I become concerned. They are weaving a vast web with all these databases--the fusion centers, the NCIC, the NICS, and others--and again, it is unclear how the information is actually being shared and whether they are following the guidelines already in place in the United States Code and the Code of Federal Regulations. (The Maryland State Police spying scandal is evidence that regulations alone may not be enough to protect activists, as they spied on activists in Maryland in defiance of the guidelines given in 28 CFR part 23). I have been unable to find evidence of any significant oversight of these databases--whether, for example, the information in them is accurate, guidelines on how the data is collected by law enforcement, or how the information is shared from agency to agency. The point is that there is *plenty* enough for us to worry about that is verifiable--without resorting to conspiracy theories.
If anyone has interest in these issues, a great place to start is the Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC):
http://epic.org/privacy/
Still, despite all this, my advice is the same. Do not live in fear. Fear is the currency the government wants to use to buy our silence.
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
Thomas Jefferson
conspiracies and connections need to be examined
Are you a "bleeding heart liberal" who believes that the gov't cannot do ill because it is composed of well-intentioned human beings who gain and maintain their positions of power because of virtue and merit? Everyday the government is involved in cloaking its actions and its intentions in obfuscation, disinformation, generalities, poetics, and out-right lies.
It strikes me as bizarre that you cleave to the liberty movement, but your presence does have its benefit if only that it reveals the naivete that many people possess. Thanks.
$#$We need to build political strength and political will&*&*
Are you talking to me?
It seems like you are replying to me, but the content of your post doesn't apply to me at all. I'm as anti-government as you can get. I just don't see any evidence that Facebook is a CIA front. Is that okay? From what I've seen, it's a very cool Internet application that developed in the free market.
Oh no.
he's been shown the difference. even debated to the point of known denial. He's paid disinformation.. No human with a contrived intellect of a field mouse has this much diligence.
If he truly was that stupid he'd be flaming on Youtube with the rest of the stupids.
OK...
The CIA is out there watching...Are you doing anything worthy of the CIA's notice? IF NOT, keep educating people free of fear and continue the good fight. We are not here talking about taking over the gov., we are talking about fundamental rights that people are forfeiting and need to become aware of again. Traditional Republicanism, Rule of law, Bill of rights, free-market and so on.
These truths are already written down, we are not rewritting what the founding fathers gave us, we are reaffirming them. So if the CIA wants to squash us lowly people for excising inalienable rights, then it will happen whether we like it or not, but one thing is sure and that is they will doom themselves, as surely as we as citizens will when breaking the law. I have nothing to hide and will continue with the knowledge that freedom is to be obtained not in fear but a sound mind, know that a righteous effort will earn justification.
Facebook is a perfect segway to teaching and spreading freedom principles to the sheep.
HERE is the REAL story...
The ORIGINAL founders of the social network, ultimately called "facebook" were twin son's of one of my classmates.
Tyler and Cameron Winkelvoss - identical/mirror twins, were working on the network at Harvard and asked Mark Zuckerberg to assist, as he had more computer knowledge. He soon quit returning their calls and became "unavailable". They the discovered the reason. There was obviously enough proof, including emails, to support their lawsuit.
http://news.digitaltrends...
Their father, Howard Winklevoss, a very successful businessman
( http://www.winklevoss.com... ), had the funds to assist his sons with the very lengthy lawsuit. He also has some involvement in building these racing fleets - but do not know the name of that company. Howard emailed us on a regular basis during the Olympics to keep us in the very exciting loop of all the races. Howard is a talented writer and made us feel as if we were in Beijing too!.
The Facebook site on the web used to have this story there for everyone to read. I could not find it there today. So I typed in the son's names for the link. What info I did find there and on wikipedia has been massaged so much, the truth in unrecognizable.
"Facebook is also facing several lawsuits from a number of Zuckerberg's former classmates, who claim that Facebook had stolen their source code and other intellectual property."
BTW, Tyler and Cameron competed in the Beijing Olympics in the two-man rowing competition. They came in 5th overall - great for their FIRST Olympic experience. They recently told me they decided to continue rowing and competing around the world, with their eye on another shot at the Gold in a little over 3 yrs.
http://www.nbcolympics.co...
We recently had a great political conversation and ultimately I told them they should run for public office - and how about president? They joked and said one could be Pres and the other VP - no one could tell them apart until they would pick up a pen to write or a fork to eat. Like I said, they are identical/mirror twins. (This fact also works great for the two-man rowing because they have opposite sides which are stronger.) Howard told them, if they were serious political interest, they should go back to Harvard for a law degree.
Now, I have NO knowledge of Mark Zuckerberg, and what has transpired over the last few years, BUT THIS IS THE REAL STORY OF IT'S FOUNDERS AND PURPOSE OF THE NETWORK.
What is funny, now, is that
Howard, Tyler, and Cameron are all on Facebook too. They posted some great videos of the ceremonies at Beijing, and of their rowing.
One of their posted pictures was with CA Gov. Arnold Swartzenager (sp?). These two boys were on each side and made Arnold look like a "shrimp". These boys are 6'3" well built too!
They posted pictures with many gold medal winners too.
http://www.nbcolympics.co...
Good post but...
I like your post -- it's interesting but I don't believe it.
Because Peter Thiel is on the board, I'd feel confident that Facebook is respecting privacy. (Being invited to Bilderberg doesn't make one evil.)
As for James Breyer, his relationship with In-Q-Tel is not surprising. In-Q-Tel is not evil nor is the CIA necessarily.
I don't think it's fair to Thiel & Breyer to make them out to be party to some sinister conspiracy without any actual evidence.
Successful people are often linked to globalist criminals, since there's only 1 name in town defining globalization.
On the other hand, if you think the CIA etc isn't datamining Facebook or trying to trade money for technological access, you'd be naive.
My point is we have to get away from sinister polarizing theories -- Facebook is most likely not a CIA front. But yes you should be more responsible with your personal info online.
More so we should be educating business & government about Natural Rights so we stop these illegal invasive policies at the source. Make them understand better so they know why their policies violate the law.
And I'm pretty sure the government's been reading our emails since President Clinton was in office.
Peter Schiff is on Facebook
I heard it from his own mouth
For Freedom!
Is "Us" Versus "Them" Really An Accurate Description of Reality?
If God is Omnipresent, how can you escape the fact that the CIA is also God. After all we all breath the same breath, Light and Shade are still both aspects of God. There is no reason to fear Facebook or anything because God is everything. We are projecting this reality just as much as we are recording it, things are constantly changing, nothing is solid.
If the CIA wants to waste their lives monitoring all the b.s. on Facebook and Myspace, let them go ahead and waste their lives thinking that they are separate from others and thus from God. I think facebook is a tool just like any other, it can be used for many reasons. There are far too many people on Facebook. To keep track of so much information would be futile or pointless. Can a handful of cops really arrest a million people all at once? Of course not.
the biggest weapon anyone could use is Fear, but fear is something only we can choose to feel. If we choose to feel Love for thy neighbor and thy enemy like Jesus explicitly tells us to, then we will start to dismantle this reality of us versus them into one of unity. We must preserve our differences for we are all unique and nations are unique, but we must also be citizens of the world, after all, we are all human beings, most of us that I know of anyway.
If anyone here has seen the film "what the bleep do we know" and applied the knowledge of quantum physics to this us versus them scenario, we find that just in believing in an us versus them paradigm do we simultaneously create that paradigm. When scientists measure light as a wave they get a wave and when they measure it as a particle they get a particle. We are made of Light, God is the source of the Light. How we choose to measure ourselves is the reality we will get, its not a done deal, its constantly changing, but the crucial aspect is how do we want to measure it? Do we really want more duality, then keep up the us versus them paradigm, but if you really want resolution, then see it as your own projection.
We must all remember that we too were once asleep, all the consequences of our previous beliefs and actions don't just dissappear over night, they are still playing out right now!!! this is not about us versus them, its about removing our own ignorance of the fact that God is ominpresent and his perfect love exists within all of us no matter if its a cia operative or ron paul. Don't you think Ron Paul knows this? Why do you think he is so humble, he's not worried about all this stuff and acting paranoid, he's doing what he knows to be right and sees the enemy as not as an enemy to be vanquished, but as a brother who has lost their way through ignorance, his method is to love and educate his fellow man.
We must learn to take responsibility for the reality which we are projecting. Look at what we've collectively created so far, the ron paul revolution was an amazing development, however, my feeling is that most people in the revolution have forgetten what its really all about, its about Love.
Somewhere somehow, there are qualities and tendencies within us all that feel the need to have something like the CIA watching us, the fact that most of us have taken responsibility to remove those tendencies and imagine a better world is what made us progress, the bilderbergs aren't evil reptilians, they're probably just ignorant of God and the fact his Love and Light are omnipresent.
The "lives of others" taught a great lesson too btw, the stasi was reformed because the people he spied on were loving and kind, they weren't stockpiling ammo and freaking out about stasi waiting for one to walk in the door so they could blow him away. They were artists and creators busy imagining a better world through their art and music and that is what changed the stasi guy, this is how we will change our world; we are the world, its not separate from us.
Whenever you point a finger at someone else, you are pointing three at yourself.
Ding!
Let us wake the rest of the way up! :)
A next step beyond quantum physics is Nassim Haramein's recalculation of Einstein's field equations including torque and Coriolis effect. Balance is coming, and part of it is a complete visibility available to all who wish to experience and learn.
http://video.google.com/v...
http://video.google.com/v...
http://theresonanceprojec...
The next part of the coming ethics and balance is simply our own individually managed expectations choosing to drop and leave behind the chains of all we consider real. That our expectations flower into expecting what is true and accurate which is that there are infinite possibilities and they are all available to us.
This has all been part of the vortex flow coalescence. Nassim's work is one of many that are starting to get the whole picture. From what the universe has fed back to my consciousness thus far he is just the most encompassing and information dense and sensible. Producing that this infinity and unity in tandem is no longer esoteric. It is in fact a calculable reality. Standby. Not much longer now. :)
holofractal hydrodynamic universe, get ready, it has been here all along it is here now and will be forever more, the awakening is moving forward
One caveat
Facebook creates the illusion of unity or the illusion of a consensus on reality, much like the t.v. does. Computers and televisions are neat tools but Nature is even more amazing. The fact that we are a part of Nature and the divinity within that Nature is something we could all use a little more of.
We have gotten so far off track from our own origin that most feel very confused and divided but its the integration of all the meaningless messages from these mediums that keeps us from remembering our true nature.
For those of us who killed their television and starting finding life more enjoyable, you know what I'm saying. Facebook is by no means a necessity, neither is ac/dc electricity for that matter.
Code Please
The letters CIA are way too frequent in this thread and may attract attention. Please start using BB (Big Brother) instead.
Unless it's already too late, maybe we can avoid attracting their attention.
IMissLiberty
sure
whatever you say.
The Authoritarian Wind and Libertarian Sun
Of course, the Sun and Wind don't really have intentions: they just are what they are.
But free-market economics and other libertarian ideas are based on the realities like Sun and Wind and how people respond to them.
People do respond to economic and social conditions, and it's silly to expect that politicians blowing harder won't have the opposite result than desired.
My favorite analogy is comparing cat-herding methods: you can herd them with a net or with a string.
It works better if you understand and work in harmony with human nature (i.e., respect people and the rights they will defend).
IMissLiberty
On the one hand...
Facebook and many other internet products provide for a centralization of user data which can in theory be monitored by the government.
On the other hand, they provide a more integrated community for spreading true ideas.
Which use is more dangerous to a tyrant? Note that if everyone's strategy was to stay as secret as possible, then the tyrants win by default, as staying secret means not taking any action against the tyranny. But when large parts of the public openly disagree, then that diminishes the power of the tyrant.
I was talked into trying it for a few days, then got out...
-couldn't stand to see what information people were willingly providing to the world (and whoever else).
The story about the sun vs. the wind is a great way to explain it. 5 years from now, how much of the population will be willing to fight for the 4th Amendment when they realize they already gave up their right to privacy, willingly? TPTB would probably love for the right to privacy to be seen as a dated concept.
Aaron Russo talked about how he learned that the Rockefeller family funded/supported women's liberation as a way to break down the family structure. One benefit was that the public school system would have a much greater influence on all of the children. Another benefit was with women entering the workforce, they would then be able to tax the other half of the adult population. Now I am Not sexist nor believe that a woman's place is in the home... But I Do believe that parents should have a much larger role in raising their kids -and there's no question that it's harder than ever in today's world to maintain that role. If Nick R. was telling Aaron Russo the truth, then maybe that's another example of the Sun ("liberation") accomplishing what the Wind could not.
The good news here is
that many like-minded Constitution supporters post important new legislation, important news, and links to that news - same as on here.
On Facebook, you have CHOICE of who reads your info, unlike on this website.
All information is easily monitored, whether it's here or Facebook. Just think about it for awhile.
the information community
is so small that it's pretty easy to make these sorts of connections. Just like how as I'm in the biotech community, I'm probably one or two hops away from high-ups at the CDC.
If you want to be careful while using facebook, just encrypt sensitive information.
Oen godo wya to do tihs is to srcmalbe the ltetres in the wrods so taht tehy are hmuan redablae but not sreachblae by cmoptuer dtaabsaes.
I've taken to the habit of writing the word tsirorret so that I'm not flagged in any way. Don't use words like "bmob", etc etc.
finally, i make sure that any images of me are not tagged in the face.
Yes...
FB makes it easy to communicate and debate with
the friendly agent spying on you.
indoctrinate them
Was it any accident that the
Was it any accident that the Baltimore City Police started a Facebook page less than a month after the passage of MD HB 311, the Freedom of Association and Assembly Protection Act? Harder to spy on activists, so why not try to get them to share the info voluntarily?
BTW in that MD police spying scandal the Baltimore City Police were found to be sharing info about activists directly with the NSA. And NSA, of course, is a partner organization of the Maryland Coordination and Analysis Center--our local fusion center.
Feel better now?
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
Thomas Jefferson
lol didn't ALL of you here
lol didn't ALL of you here donate to Ron Paul's campaign? If they didn't know who you were before- they definitely know after that. So don't be afraid.
Too much info!
I had no idea that so much information would be online for political donations,,, my address, map to house, candidates, amount, everything! And to make it worse, I was one of only 2-3 people in this county who gave enough to anyone to be listed.
Is there any way to donate without having all that info posted?
Thank McCain/Feingold and Voters
As you probably know, voters hate lobbyists and the "special interests" so they encourage the passage of all this record-keeping. This is what the public wants.
Of course, you can join AARP, AAA, or any one of many other groups who lobby and support issues, but you won't like what they support.
All the more reason to choose candidates you can be proud to have supported.
It's those exposed for donating to both sides, I worry about.
IMissLiberty
i say, who cares?
I think that anybody who is foolish enough to disclose too much personal info on facebook would be easily monitored by gov't espionage anyway.
At the end of the day, it's a great way for me to constantly bombard my friends and family with the freedom message, and if big brother discover's that I'm a "terrorist" as recently classified by the state of Missouri, they already know that based on my maximum allowed political contribution to Ron Paul on the last election cycle anyway.
I won't fear Facebook.
I have FB and only my
I have FB and only my friends can see my really personal stuff (address or phone number for example).
That's what you think.
That's what you think.
Perse. I know that they can
Perse. I know that they can see it. But I won't stop using FB because of this. If freedom hurts, then that means that I'm a sadist. They can shove their fear-mongering up theirs!
It is not about fear
It is about understanding.
It is the constant bombardment that drove me away.
If you pay taxes and have a
If you pay taxes and have a social security # the government already knows all about you anyway. What's the point in being scared about facebook? Let them know our political affiliations, its nothing to be ashamed of. Do you think any company that you give any information to is going to say "no" if the CIA comes knocking to their door telling them to give them everything they want?
Don't live in fear- getting rid of the internet, your cellphone, and all that. You don't need to hide from ANYBODY. What are you scared of? That the CIA will come to your house and take your belongings because you had some stuff on facebook? They have the power to do things like that without any cause already. Demonizing facebook is a waste of time when it can be used to get more people on our side.
Trying to stay "incognito" to hide from the government is a complete waste of time- they will spend billions and billions to find anybody if they really wanted to find them. Instead of hiding like rats- face them like men.
Double post
Double post
Deactivate does not mean cancel
Big difference. When you deactivate your account they tell you that you can jump back in with your e-mail address and your old password. That doesn't cancel your account in my opinion. The undetectable spyware is still on your hard drive. Sorry for the bad news.
I've heard this about a year ago
I used it once to promote an event for tax day, but I was careful what personal info I gave knowing that they keep a data base of everything. I didn't post any photos of myself or give them my real birthday. I didn't accumulate tons of "friends" either. I used it as a tool. Hey THEY are already gathering all kinds of info on us every day using a variety of different ways, including our "free email". Why HELP them?
How did they get the picture of that prostitute?
Remember, the one who snared Eliot Spitzer? As soon as the news broke, there were pictures of her all over the net & the news. I remember thinking to myself - how did they get her picture, as well as the right to use it?
And the answer is...Not Facebook, but MySpace. Put your stuff up there and the copyright is no longer yours. In the case of MySpace, you sign your rights over to none other than ... Rupert Murdoch. Muha hahahahaha!
And the funny thing is, again, people do it voluntarily.
Who knows?
I signed up a few weeks ago & have put H.R. 1207 info up on a few friends visible front page. they are D's.. so I am also using it for education & political awareness.
Facebook/CIA
I simply checked properties for a facebook site once and the URL had a cia.gov address..Between that and the fact that upon startup it seems to go through 10 minutes worth of filters I ain't been back. Makes sense it could be used as an invasive tool for personal info. Lot's of kids and adults live in a world of ignorant bliss...Lots of ignorance and no desire for anything more, that's not good.
I've never even seen facebook. It sounds dumb to me.
When did everyone's life become public domain? I met a girk the other day who said she only dates guys with a myspace page. I asked what she would have done if there was no internet; she didn't understand the concept.
If everything goes according to plan, I should be hanging up the internet and getting rid of the cell phone in a few short months. No, I'm not one of those anti-technology terrorists; I just think the interconnectivity of everyone has reached a horrible level. People EXPECT to be able to reach you when they want to these days. It's a self-imposed control grid.
We haven't really had
We haven't really had privacy for a long time now--even in those prehistoric pre-Internet times. Yes, I'm on Facebook, and no, I don't hide much about myself. If you look too deeply into privacy issues of this sort you might end up censoring yourself out of fear. For years I had already censored my political voice for other reasons. To paraphrase Judge Napolitano, if the government is spying on us, it should be our business to spy on the government. And so I've made this my business too. Call me foolish and stupid if you want, but I will not be ruled by fear.
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
Thomas Jefferson
I wouldn't dream of calling you foolish or stupid
It's just not my can of soup. I'm not worried about being spied on, I just don't like the interconnected world of texts, tweets, skypes and myspaces. Like I said, it's just not for me. I wouldn't take it away from or warn anyone from it.
The point, my dear, is not
The point, my dear, is not to worry so much about the government spying on you that you decide to stifle your right to free expression. And if you aren't worried about the government spying on you, fine, I will be happy to do the job for you, as I have been actively doing for the last few months.
As far as I see it, the only real difference here is how the government gets its nasty paws on your information, assuming they care enough to find out about you at all. Will they collect it through spying or force (law enforcement of various stripes specialize in this) or will they get it through more voluntary means, such as Facebook? Getting it from willing victims after all completely circumvents those inconvenient little issues such as the first and fourth amendments.
Let me give you another angle on how the government is working to get information from other voluntary sources. Just this past Thursday I was in the (MD) state office building collecting information about my precinct and I noticed an interesting poster on a bulletin board..."report suspicious online activity"...obviously every good citizen should be interested in that, no? The site offering to collect the "tips" was called the Multi-State Information Sharing and Analysis Center (MS-ISAC). For those of you who followed the MIAC scandal, doesn't this smell like yet another fusion center? You be the judge. Here's a list of their member organizations:
http://www.msisac.org/mem...
Oh dear. How come Homeland Security is on the list of *all* the state partners?
Don't matter how government gets this info about you, my activist friends, once it falls into the pot like this one, whether it's MS-ISAC, MIAC, MCAC or whatever other "fusion" center, it's fallen into a virtual black hole that we cannot examine from any constitutional angle whatsoever. Still I refuse to be scared. If you prefer to bury your concerns in ignorance so that you can still express yourself freely, I will not judge...you are still better off than the masses of people who believe they are free because they know nothing of things like this. Some of us need to be bold and ask the questions anyway.
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
Thomas Jefferson
I've heard this about a year ago
I used it once to promote an event for tax day, but I was careful what personal info I gave knowing that they keep a data base of everything. I didn't post any photos of myself or give them my real birthday. I didn't accumulate tons of "friends" either. I used it as a tool. Hey THEY are already gathering all kinds of info on us every day using a variety of different ways, including our "free email". Why HELP them?
Wasn't the guy who
Wasn't the guy who started/owns Facebook on the list of people at the most recent Bilderberg conference.If so, that itself speak volumes.
I don't offer up ANY info voluntarily.
I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees...