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County demands pastor spend thousands on 'Major Use' permit to host friends

A San Diego pastor and his wife claim they were interrogated by a county official and warned they will face escalating fines if they continue to hold Bible studies in their home.

The couple, whose names are being withheld until a demand letter can be filed on their behalf, told their attorney a county government employee knocked on their door on Good Friday, asking a litany of questions about their Tuesday night Bible studies, which are attended by approximately 15 people.

"Do you have a regular weekly meeting in your home? Do you sing? Do you say 'amen'?" the official reportedly asked. "Do you say, 'Praise the Lord'?"

The pastor's wife answered yes.

She says she was then told, however, that she must stop holding "religious assemblies" until she and her husband obtain a Major Use Permit from the county, a permit that often involves traffic and environmental studies, compliance with parking and sidewalk regulations and costs that top tens of thousands of dollars.

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In my own little town of 23,000 people

a tiny, vocal, humorless group of tyrannical busybodies used the code and zoning regulations as a cat's paw against another group who had a different ideology. At a city council meeting a spokesman for the tiny busybody group said right out loud that their intent is to use (twist) the law against this particular "other group", and no other people (in other words, everyone else could do the things the "other group" was supposed to not be allowed to do). The "other group" was being singled out for their beliefs, and the tiny busybody group's stated intentions were to run the "other group" out of town.

This went on for several years. The busybody group combed the city code for anything they possibly twist to use against the neighbors they hated. Many of the busybodies' accusations were the result of pure delusion and insanity. A libelous smear campaign against the "other people" happened on the internet and with fliers circulated locally. The busybodies paid to have busloads of people brought in from a city 300 miles away to make a protest parade through town. A lot of vandalism was perpetrated against the "other group's" houses and businesses and cars. A lot of time and money were spent by the "other group" to defend themselves against the spurious accusations, and by the city council, who was being used, like I said, as a cat's paw. The busybodies even filed criminal charges against one person from the "other group", which involved the police, who had to call in an out of town detective. No one from the "other group" was found guilty of any crimes in the slightest. In the end, after all the ruckus, nothing changed. Everyone is still here and going about their lives, doing their thing.

Of course, the mean people did all this only FOR THE LOVE OF THE CODE! Of course, don't you know!

I don't know what the details are of the situation that this thread is talking about, but my point is that strange, convoluted situations do occur that you might not believe could or every would happen.

P.S. The "other group" were two Christian churches, and the humorless busybodies were the extreme sort of stark, raving mad Democrats.

What's missing from this story is whatever citizen complaint

prompted this action. Local officials don't usually act until there has been a complaint and it may well be that one or more neighbors got sick and tired of the parking congestion and noise of the regular weekly gatherings.

We've all seen (and a few of us have even HELD) parties at private homes that lined the street out front with cars and poured a "joyous noise unto the Lord" out into the neighborhood while drinking sacramental beer but it wasn't every damned (OK, darned) week. What if the neighbors had a legitimate gripe that went unheeded by the Bible study household and finally turned to local officials for relief?

What we don't know about this case should make us wary of taking sides just yet.

I'm not religious but wow ! It's getting crazy out there , what

Happened to a right to peaceful assembly ?

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This is unreal. What

This is unreal. What business is it of anyone else what these people decide to do with their friends in their own home.

This is no differnt then a weekly poker game

I don't care if it's a abortion rights group to argue content of conversation is just wrong. This is scary.

BIG BOOM! Wow, so thats how we got here.

Handcuffed during Sermon watch youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE1jOQbAkag

for years our bible study was held at a police officer's home

Well actually he was one of the top weapons experts in Canada. Police knocking at his door would be saying "sir".

He has since left to devote himself full time to a rescue operation for exploited children.

cw

Meetups

To me this is no different than Ron Paul meetups, or any other gathering of people who share a desire for each others company in someone's home.

If this stands, it is yet another foot in the door. Perhaps the next time they will enter the home and arrest people for unlawful assembly. Perhaps if they don't like the content of the discussion, its off to indefinite detention.

She should not have answered any of their questions in the first place.

You don't have to say you are invoking the 5th amendment to do so.

Did anyone else's BS meter peg out on this story?

It's inflammatory nonsense designed and inspired to anger Christians. It reads like a well crafted tale which knows just which buttons to press. A phantom menace created to enliven and inflame the reader.

Until this is corroborated by another, more credible source (It won't be), I suggest you take it for what it is....nonsense from a well known BS site.

EDIT:
I did also find it on Fox News but still just the word of that one pastor. No corroboration of county activities.

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A small body of determined spirits fired by an unquenchable faith in their mission can alter the course of history.
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A small body of determined spirits fired by an unquenchable faith in their mission can alter the course of history.
~Mahatma Gandhi

You BS Meter needs to be recalibrated....

http://www.10news.com/news/19562217/detail.html

Ron Paul cured my apathy - I cured my ignorance!
!!!Truth is treason in the EMPIRE OF LIES!!!

" Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of they day; but a series of oppresssions...pursued unalterably, through every change of ministers, too plainly proove delibrate, systematical plan of reducing us to slavery..."
Tho

Thank you...

Now I don't have to post here...

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

You are so right!

Home churches are becoming the new norm.
Read this:
http://www.prophecynewswatch.com/may22/2282.html

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WELCOME to the format

LOOK at the real picture ..From this date forward the STATE is after REVINUE, period...YOU ELECTED these people now you must live with it...THANK yourselves...You forced your neighbor into your mold & you are that neighbor....WELCOME to your neighborhood..PREPARE to PAY ..DESPERATE officials will impliment desperate Revenue measures ..Don't you love your community, you built...
you-no

see to your liberty

Nothing to do with religion

This has nothing to do with the fact that they are studying the Bible. It is a zoning/building code issue. They could be studying Aesop's fables and the result would be the same. Not saying it is right. But it has nothing to do with persecuting Christians.

In the City where I live, zoning/building code violations are common but unless the neighbors complain, the City only enforces violations that are an immediate threat to public health and safety. I can't say what the situation is in San DIego, but if you make friends with the neighbors and are considerate (don't block driveways, make noise or snag all the parking etc.) you will never hear from the City.

I doubt it happened at all

It would be a flagrant 4th amendment violation and no beaurecrat would be stupid enough to pick a fight with the on the bible study crowd.

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ok...

If this has nothing to do with religion or the Bible, then why did the "official" specifically ask them if they were praying, or siging hymns, or saying "praise the Lord?" And why did they tell them they were not allowed to hold "religious assemblies?" This is no more a zoning issue than when Nazi's would go into the homes of Jews and chuck them out the window to their deaths. This is less extreme, but it's the same concept. It doesn't matter what your beliefs are, but how are you going to claim this has nothing to do with religion when the actual interrogation contained nothing but religious questions?

Because

Because that part isn't true.

I agree this is not a

I agree this is not a Christian bigot thing >. Howerver Zoning laws are one thing ,Codes violations are something else.. They are NOT related..Codes violations are the WORST form of tyranny this society can perpetrate on the property owner..END of STORY
you-no

see to your liberty

They are related

They are related in that they constitute local regulatory restraint on free use of your property. Zoning laws limit land use by location. Assuming you meet zoning requirements for your use in your location, you then need to get a Certificate of Occupancy (C of O). The C of O will only be issued when all code requirements for the intended use have been met. The code requirements range from basic health and safety issue like fire exits, sprinklers etc. to convenience issues like parking to totally aesthetic issues like landscaping.

It ALL sucks.

We've been subjected to SEVERAL code violations, thanks to our

next door neighbor! He's actually called about our grass being too long during the summer! We don't live in a deed restricted neighborhood, thank goodness! I live in Florida, and we often have either a draught or flooding, half of our yard is sugar sand and my husband is a 73 yr. old disabled man!
I am VERY worried about this man when things start to get really bad, he will do whatever he can to cause trouble for us, yet his eldest son has convervted to Islam/Muslim and he could be over training in Pakistan for all I know, we haven't seen him in over 3 years!

"If virtue and knowledge are diffused among the People, they will never be enslaved. This will be their great security."
-Samuel Adams-

That sucks

Make peace or move. Those are really the only choices.

just another example

of the ever expanding state in our lives, making us pay them for the "permission" to do anything!!!!

I think breathing tax is next......don't pay your breathing tax and you have your mouth taped shut and one nostril plugged for a specified period of time...and if that doesn't learn you...the next time its a lung!!!!

*i would have told that county official where to get off....but i'm not that Christ like when it comes to someone telling me what I can and cannot do in my own home.

ooooh! This struck a bad memory for me.

This was many years ago, while I was a Fire Inspector I had to shut down a Haunted House. I was still in the dark and feeding off the Government Lies.....

This incident was a single family home in a neighborhood that had long been the place to go to Trick or Treat. All the homes (like 300) went all out for halloween, this was the place to be. Well one home opened their house as a haunted house and to support a local charity ( a young boy who had brain cancer - I don't remember all the details, but there was a donation jar in every 7-11 on every corner at the time) they decided to charge a small fee as a donation to this young boy. I had to go and shut them down for all kinds of fire code violations, then when they decided to not charge, but make it completely voluntary donations, it still wasn't legal. Then they said they would do it for free and charge no fee, not ask for donations, it was still illegal.

The premesis was when you invite the public into your facility (home) you are obligated to ensure their safety with regards to the occupancy classification at that time. Meaning a home is considered residential and is granted many exceptions with regard to exits etc... but when you invite people who are not your immediate family you could be considered a Business if it's less than 50 people, but if over 50 people it's an Assembly and has to be sprinkled.

Ooooh! It was a horrible job at times. So glad I am out of it.

Ron Paul cured my apathy - I cured my ignorance!
!!!Truth is treason in the EMPIRE OF LIES!!!

" Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of they day; but a series of oppresssions...pursued unalterably, through every change of ministers, too plainly proove delibrate, systematical plan of reducing us to slavery..."
Tho

I'm a Christian and participate in a small group once a week,

I find this hard to believe. How many people were they hosting? 6 or 600? This might be where the permit comes into play. If it is only a small few this is outrageous. I guess nothing should surprise me nowadays.

"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."

-Alexis de Tocqueville

it is hard to believe..

Especially for 15 people. Looks to me, if this is true, that the cities within the bankrupt state of california are getting desperate for funds.

You hit the nail on the head!

I was a new construction plans reviewer and inspector for the fire department up until Dec 2008. In the months leading up to my resignation I had several talks with my supervisor and his supervisors about the decline in commercial building permits and limited number of inspections. Noting the decline would continue did they anticipate lay-offs and overwhelmingly they said no, we can just puy you on existing buildings. We can always inspect the existing buildings....

Ron Paul cured my apathy - I cured my ignorance!
!!!Truth is treason in the EMPIRE OF LIES!!!

" Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of they day; but a series of oppresssions...pursued unalterably, through every change of ministers, too plainly proove delibrate, systematical plan of reducing us to slavery..."
Tho

PREFFERENCE is the issue

ZONING & structural integrity are 1 thing but dictating a common accepted use or code violation is another different issue...Yes if they continue to meet for a lenghthy time they need to find suitable facillity , even rent one...
you-no

see to your liberty

So

crowds can gather to drink and have a party, but no praising God.

Are christians allowed to say "piss off"

Cause they should.

"Piss off" is O.K. but "Piss off Satan" is taxable.

"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

"Armed robber him need gun. Authority man him need pen.
Authority man in charge of money. Him no need gun, him need pen. Pen got power gun no get. If gun steal eighty thousand naira. Pen go steal two billion naira." - Fela Kuti

Wow,

thanks, it is amazing the things I am reading. Never in my life it I think such things would happen here in America.

the only churches in the

the only churches in the soviet union or China were these types of churches.. People had to worship in secrecy.. now it looks like the idiots in government want them stopped here.. as what I can see, there is no way shape or form they can stop this from happening at a private home..
what a load of crap...

"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

The Pastor of the Church I attend has been recommending small

Bible study groups for several years for the simple reason that they will have already been established by the time it becomes necessary, as prophesized (sp?) in Revelations I believe, I'm not very good at remembering these things. I haven't gone in the past 7 months or so because they're all about putting Isreal 1st before American's interests, too much John Hagee influence!
A friend keeps insisting that we must protect Isreal at ALL costs, I disagree completely, it's like the Evangical churches have all been brainwashed! They (Isreal) don't seem to be concerned about America's Sovereignty, economy or our best interests! Of course we should be friends and allies, but CUT OFF the MILLIONS in weapons we give Isreal, they have MORE THAN ENOUGH to defend themselves by now, on our dime of course!

"If virtue and knowledge are diffused among the People, they will never be enslaved. This will be their great security."
-Samuel Adams-

The more time goes on, the

The more time goes on, the more clear it appears that the secret underground church is soon to become a reality in America.

They are spoiling it for the existing Church-cartel ;-)

Somehow I doubt that the major churches will plead their cause.

"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

"Armed robber him need gun. Authority man him need pen.
Authority man in charge of money. Him no need gun, him need pen. Pen got power gun no get. If gun steal eighty thousand naira. Pen go steal two billion naira." - Fela Kuti

I've read the article and all 7 comments

This might line up as #8... I agree with you

I lived in a small conservative town in CA, population 1001. It had 30 registered churches, and many home schooling, "rogue" pastors, looking for a "manger" to herd his flock...

People in the town wanted to know what church you belonged to before they even knew your name. The town was very divided over Christianity.

I can absolutely see a weak church going after a pasture who is getting strong

I can definitely see this in a small town..

I left my childhood church when you couldn't hear a sermon that didn't include just how wrong and hellbound every other denomination was. I then started walking in the front door with my Grandmother and walking out the back door, crossing the street, and attending the Methodist church. :O)