Dr. Ron Paul Discusses Healthcare Reform 15 June 09
Posted June 15th, 2009 by knarfxii
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Dr. Ron Paul Discusses Healthcare Reform
Not Worth the hype in my
Not Worth the hype in my opinion.
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I know that you were here to
I know that you were here to talk about healthcare reform and we are definitely ... Date: August 11, 2009. Wolf Blitzer: Joining us now, Dr. David Scheiner of Chicago. ... Ron Paul and Rand Paul discuss Politics and Healthcare on CNN ..... 07/15/2009. Freedom Watch: Ron Paul discusses HR 1207, the bill to audit ...
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Apparently they want
Apparently they want affordable health INSURANCE? Really??? And a govt-run one at that eh? I see! Dr. Ron Paul Discusses Healthcare Reform 15 June 09
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What about dental costs?
Ron Paul is right that subsidized health care, just like subsidized education, is the main reason costs are so high but why is dental care so high (at least in the US) ? Most of the big ticket items (root canal, crowns, bridges) by and large are not subsidized and the costs are very high.
Managed Healthcare
A serious debate about healthcare should start with the facts about how exactly the system we have came to be. I suspect that government intervention resulted in this dysfunctional system (see the Health Maintenance Organization Act of 1973), but the actual history will never be debated.
We'll end up with a system that works not logically, or scientifically, but politically.
the problem
I'm not a doctor nor have a higher education. But I do have a 14 year old handicapped child who receives medicaid. We didn't get medicaid for her till she was 12. I didn't know she qualified. She has 2 insurances, medicaid and Blue cross/Blue Shield.
today, I am filing a petition for bankruptcy. the reason is due to a combination of things and health care is one of them. For 12 years the coast of my daughter's insurance went up while her benefits went down. Co-pays went up and I was forced to become a stay-at-home mom because of her illnesses.
i can tell you from experience I do not look forward to universal medicaid for everyone - not matter "free" it is. The red tape is horrific.
The media seems to highlight 50 million Americans with no health care insurance. They fail to admit that number is inflated or that there are over 250 million Americans with health care insurance.
Yes, doctors order too many test and prescribe too many drugs. the coast of medications is the biggest daily struggle for many people. The co-pays go up and some meds are not covered at all.
The solution to the problem can be found 40 years ago. The sate had state run hospitals for the poor and handicapped. They had facilities for the mentally handicapped that was more beneficial than government mandated "main streaming" in local schools. Children like my daughter had an option to stay home and learn living skills - which the school fails to teach.
The solution is state run hospitals for the poor. Better facilities for the handicapped and less really examining the FDA and the revolving door with the drug manufacturers.
Sure, there are greedy and bad doctors. Of course the average doctor only spend 5 minutes with each patient - like a production line.
Hospitals are excellent at pushing the "envelope" and "saving lives" through various drugs like Chemo therapy and keeping severely brain damaged people alive after being in horrific accidents.
60 years ago there was no "cure" for cancer. You went home to die with dignity. If you were severely injured in an accident you would probably die as a result.
It fascinating to be able to push that envelope to see how far you can push the human body but at what coast? If I was diagnosed with cancer I would refuse treatment because Chemo is worse than dying. If I was in an accident that would leave me bed ridden and unable to speak...i would rather die.
When does the quality of life become more important than saving the life?
Return our Republic to its roots.
More health care means more cost to those footing the bills.
If you build it, they will come. There are many medical procedures and services that people would not take if they had to pay for it themselves, but which they will take if someone else pays for it.
If Obama makes more procedures or services available, then the cost will go up for those footing the bills. If he attempts to cut costs, then this will come out of the pockets of the hospitals and doctors and the end result will be less services available as hospitals and doctors respond to the incentive of less income. It is government control of medicine that drives service providers away, and it is "free or reduced cost services" that drives up demand, so the end result of Obama's interference in the market place will be to increase demand and reduce supply.
These big government hacks are idiots.
For whatever it means, the AMA "booed" Obama today.
June 15, 2009
Obama Booed At AMA Over Malpractice Remarks
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Doubt
I have some doubt that AMA is looking out for the patients' interest, and especially taxpayers. If Obama can throw a bone or two at them in the promise of medical payment will be raised at the rate of inflation and cap in malpractice lawsuit, AMA will wag its tail and play the game.
noprivacy: The irony here is that obama did not even give them
a bone to chew on at this meeting. He did not give them crap, except to swallow another $300B in medicare/medicaid cuts over 10 years.
I do not like the AMA. They are a PAC and care about their own agenda, not necessarily patients first. Obama is playing some pretty hard ball with them right now, and they are not happy.
If Congress would allow Medicaid/Medicare to negotiate with the
big Pharma as the Veteran's Admin. is allowed to do, that would cut costs SUBSTANTIALLY for both programs, why haven't we heard anyone discussing that! Better yet, why don't we SLASH the PENTAGON Budget for the funds; we have all heard of the BILLIONS they WASTE every year!
I am one of those uninsured Americans but I do NOT want what Obama is selling! I was in a bad car accident 4 1/2 years ago and because of the crappy No-Fault Auto Insurance that Florida offers, I am about $50,000 in debt with unpaid medical bills; I was forced to give up my job that I Loved (and was next in line for a full-time position) because I was physically unable to perform my job due to my injuries. As a result I lost my VERY good health insurance for myself and my daughter. My doctors and attorney told me that my health insurance thru my employer would pay for my medical care after my auto insurance was exhausted, which was a LIE! My employer health insurance insisted because it was an auto accident, they are not responsible, which I agree with!
In Florida the way it's set up is so that the attorneys and doctors get most of the money from the auto insurance company and then the patient is left to fall through the cracks. I was REAR-ENDED while sitting at a red light, but in spite of almost losing my life, my daughter's life, and probably prevented injuries to people in front of me because of my evasive action, I allowed the impact to push me out of the way, just grazing the bumper of the car iimmediately in front of me because I glanced in my rearview mirror just before impact and I jerked the wheel to the right and took my foot off the brake. My life and my family's life has changed substantially due to a 16 year old on a cell phone who had his license a total of 4 months, so his parents gave him a pick-up truck and only the MINIMUM amount of insurance allowed by law, $10,000. After being a customer for over 10 years with no accidents and no tickets, the one time I make a claim, a few months later at renewal they almost doubled the cost of insurance on the car I drive but insisted they were not punishing me!
My 70 year old husband had to return to work but his employer doesn't offer health benefits to part-time employees dependents, it is only for the employee. So now I must pay $60 cash EVERY month to visit my doctor's office for my pain medication prescription, and then pay cash for the medications I take, which amounts to approx. $300/month. I have been having a difficult time getting my pain pills the past few months due to all the robberies of drug stores; they just aren't keeping any inventory. Last month it cost an extra $60 for a muscle relaxer at CVS.
I had been getting my prescriptions filled EVERY month at Wal-Mart but they suddenly stopped having any supply, saying their supplier isn't sending them enough to meet their demand, so I'm out of luck! I have gone to Sam's Club several times in the past, but have the same problems as with Wal-Mart. I have stopped shopping at both stores because I feel that if they won't advocate for their customers, then I can bring my business elsewhere.
Drug stores are understandably very wary and nervous these days, I had to physically visit 6 separate places so they knew I had a legitimate prescription, they won't answer any questions over the phone. Life is getting stranger every day!
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The only ticking time bob is SSI , Medicare & Medicade ...Why not just tell the truth ...Don't P--- down my back & tell me it is Rain & for my benefit. Honesty please..They spent the benefit monies & need the bailout..We can pay in again to the house of thieves...
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Finally Dr. Paul talks about malpractice.
I was beginning to wonder what planet he practiced OB/GYN on.
OF COURSE fear of litigation drives health care costs up. It is a HUGE factor. I know tort reform is an uncomfortable topic for many of us. Apparently the right to sue is the "libertarian" substitute for government regulations.
Unfortunately, the lottery mentality of many Americans combined with our jury selection process (which frankly favors ignorance and stupidity) has already led us to the brink of a health care disaster in some areas.
And BTW,...
The New York Times is blaming doctors for soaring health care costs?!?!
How do they figure that, when the real income of doctors has DROPPED over the last 15 years?
Actually, I see this as yet anther assault on the American middle class. One of the few groups (not 100% dependent on Washington DC) that still has enough residual income left over for political activity are doctors.
I guess they just can't tolerate that anymore.
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I think he's wrong about Canadian health care...
On some things Dr Paul is just plain wrong, and this is one good example.
In the vid he cites the old saw about Canadians crossing the U.S border for some doctor visits, and this is true (or was, some years ago).
The reality is that Canadians love their health care system and are rightly proud of it.
Of course no system is perfect, and all systems require tradeoffs. The Canadians have universal affordable streamlined no-b.s. coverage. But they do not get every procedure covered, and they often wait on a priority list. For these inconveniences, the ones with the means to do so will cross the border.
If you polled those same border-crossers and asked, 'would you trade Canada's system for that of the U.S.?' I'm sure the overwhelming response would be a howling NO WAY !! Not every Canadian/Canadien/Canadienne would agree, but of course rarely do we all agree on anything, certainly not on this topic in which so many billions of dollars and truly millions of lives are at stake.
That's pretty funny...
If you polled those same border-crossers and asked, 'would you trade Canada's system for that of the U.S.?' I'm sure the overwhelming response would be a howling NO WAY !!
Say that out loud if it helps you...
If you ask anyone fleeing across the border for treatment in the usA they would say the system they were fleeing was the bees-knees!
Spoken like a true Canadian.
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
Actually I am not a Canadian
Am American. And am sure Canadians prefer theirs to ours.
Communists have "systems", I want "doctors"
Leave the government OUT! Bottom line. No healthcare system, no healthcare debate, no right to healthcare. Just doctors, surgeoans, companies making and selling machines and tools, a marketplace some would call it. Wild man, wild.
I'm sorry but you are just
I'm sorry but you are just looking through your filter of a few Canadians you know that say they love their health care. I live in a small town 20 minutes south of the border and actually see a number of Canadians for dental care. My impression is Dr Paul is correct but you have a point in that these people are not asking for their system to go away. It's just that the system does not serve many very well and they indeed do come here to receive care for surgeries and treatment that they have to go on a long waiting list for. Still these same people tout their "covered" health care
I worked with a Canadian who brought his mother here for care
He did not have anything good to say about Canada's healthcare system, but this was at least ten years ago, too.
I'm sure you're right...
but the U.S. system is anything but the product of a free market.
Most of the worst aspects of our system are the result of government influence. Yeah, they have manged to muck it up so badly that even the old U.S.S.R. health care would look better (almost).
Unfortunately, we will never know what the health care in the U.S. OR Canada would have looked like today without that influence and that is exactly what They count on.
Why do you think it is so important that it be UNIVERSAL?
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Universal health care because...
Make it universal because everyone needs health care at some time, and by making it universal you gain economies of scale and efficiencies by eliminating redundancies.
(But of course 'universal' means nearly not absolutley -- people could opt out)
Also, there is public benefit gained when infants and children get needed care (even if poor), and grow up to be more productive than those deprived of care who become expensive public- burden and trouble.
I realize this is a tough sell on this list. But just consider a few points.
1. Lots of infrastructure is 'socialized' and people like it that way: roads, libraries, police, fire, parks, beaches. In other eras and other places, these are or were privatized and people found they didn't like that -- with good reason. So, health care is already socialized in many parts of the world (Canada e.g.) and working better than it is here.
2. When cell phone tech came out, the U.S. took a free market approach, while many other countries standardized on one tech, and results in those places are generally equal to or in many cases better than here, in terms of consumer cost and access. There are countless examples where markets are inefficient, and organized consumer consortiums yield better results for consumers (surprise surprise).
So, the libertarian free market mantra can easily be over-played, and health care is such a case.
There are also mechanisms for organizing production that do not rely on either govt. OR laissez-faire -- for example, non-govt. standard-setting bodies and trade and industyr organizations. This is a preferred middle-way for us to go, I think.
3. The current health care system is really socialized already, because insurance really is the same a socialism. However, many of us have a reflex to growl and salivate when we hear one of those words, but not the other. It is psychological and not really rational.
Mind you, I am not advocating formal 'socialism' -- just pointing out that virtually everything that we do anymore involves some degree of regulation and govt. influence, and public budgets, and is not really a 'free market'.
The romantic idea that we can ever revert to a true 'free market' is ... well, I let you finish that sentence.
4. Survey after survey of health care providers, including MDs and nurses, indicates overwhelming agreement with single-payer or some other means to bypass the enormous overhead and hassle of insurance paperwork, the processing of which takes about 1 out of 3 health care bucks, and mucks up the health care delivery. It is just demoralizing
5. The obstacles to U.S. health care reform are overwhelmingly coming from big pharma and big insurance cos. U.S. drugs are notoriously over priced and are PROTECTED from market forces.
Insurance companies naturally want to get rich, and have figured out how.
But do we have to succumb to this regime forever?
Ron Paul asks in the video 'where is the money going to come from?' to pay for universal care. Why does he not mention the obvious answer that is always given: the money is going to come from saving on insurance overhead and from restraining the price gouging.
I hope we all undertand by now that corporate interests pay for elections, and, as a return on their investment, they expect and receive market protection and regulatory favors. RP is one of the rare and much-appreciated exceptions, but there are too few others like him.
Finally two points based on moral arguments.
6. In health care we have a system that is largely collectively shared legacy: the accumulated knowledge of centuries, and publicly paid-for education infrastructure, and hospitals often that were paid for by charities or other public funding. So where is the moral argument in claiming that these assets should be privatized, to enrich a tiny segment of pharma and MD and stockholders? If they had truly invested in and created these assets, perhaps we could justify such enrichment. But in truth, in our current system, we are 'socializing' the initial infrastructure investment -- and then privatizing the profits.
7. Finally, I happen to believe that it is immoral to withhold care from weak sick and elderly poor, and to squander it instead on people who actually do NOT need it, but who enjoy gold-plated insurance policies and who are thus given quite EXCESSIVE over-testing and unneeded procedures, solely because they have great insurance policies. And the reason they have those policies has nothing to do with having worked harder or earned them. They were just born or worked during an earlier time, or were lucky. So where is the justice in that?
All of this is really academic, because given the soon-to-be unfunded Medicare liability, we are going to have to scrap the whole system one way or another. Far better to do it now, integrating a reform into a long-range plan that is realistically cost-contained and independent of the general treasury that is going down fast.
I did not mean to run this long, sorry.
Doesn't the mandatory health
Doesn't the mandatory health care reform fall under one of the 10 planks of communism? Any one know which one? Thanks in advance.
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My pet rabbit hole...
Thank you, Dr. Paul. I don't know if there is enough light in the sun to illuminate this dark place, but at least you shone your little light this way.
I know too much, and overwhelm people on the topic of healthcare.Allow me to be overly simplistic, and please do not be insulted by the tone.
The AMA is a Rockefeller invention. From its inception, the plan was to LIMIT your freedom of choice in healthcare. After many decades of dominating the education of medical professionals, they have already won this war. The typical freshly graduated medical doctor in this nation is so confident in his education that he WILL NOT look at other healing modalities. Worse, he will not take a patient seriously if THEY want to seek an "alternative" modality.
The public is equally entranced by the "finest healthcare system in the world" nonsense. There are aspects of modern healthcare that are nearly miraculous, but it is deeply flawed at its root, the education system.
If you desire TRUE healthcare freedom, fight for the right to say "No" to this entire system, including the right to NOT be insured at all.
Once again, the masters of smoke and mirrors will define both sides of the fight, so that no REAL discussion of alternatives can happen. The insurance companies, the pharma industry and the AMA are NOT at odds, they are the same people when you dig down to the root.
I agree with much of what you say, but...
I think it is important to distinguish between the "A.M.A." and "doctors".
For one thing, I am a D.O. and a member of the A.O.A., not the A.M.A.
And, yes, I think that having another major school of medicine has helped to keep the M.D.'s from becoming even more homogenous.
But more importantly, I don't think that doctors as individuals are any more brainwashed or co-opted than any other group in America. On the contrary, I think we are collectively one of the biggest assets the freedom movement has. (Think Dr.'s Ron, Rand, B.J. Lawson, Mike Vasovski, etc. Not to mention Dr. Larry MacDonald from the past.)
It has taken the Conspiracy 45 years of propaganda, unrestricted immigration, and relentless erosion of the American physicians' economic autonomy to bring them to their current state.
I think we deserve some credit for holding out this long.
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ALL education systems have been co-opted
Healthcare is the field I devoted my professional life to, and it was the topic of this thread.
Most of us suffer from "expertise" and have put so much effort into gaining specialized knowledge that we are proud of it, and want to be "special" for it ourselves, and so do not dare look too closely at anything that might show that we were given false information...
Let's talk turkey
How can anyone address healthcare, REform ,when I never gave them my healthcare to begin with..This Gov't take over is simply a new form, not reform.. The brain washing to buy into the term, REform ,is just that ..Brainwashing ,in preparation for a new system to save Social Security, Medicare & Medicade...We ALL pay "again" for what they have STOLEN...And I should trust them, AGAIN ?
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from the other side of the aisle.
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Insane.
Insane. Businesses are corrupt, so let the government run it.
We've come a long way!
Remember the debates when they didn't even ask him about healthcare?
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I remember
I blasted an e-mail to Sanjay Gupta when he had a lil "healthcare debate" on CNN before the election -- had everybody's pictures up, went over everybody's stance point by point except the Doc. He never even mentioned Dr. Paul.
I told him "First do no harm" Dr. Gupta.
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Can you replace the youtube video with this one:
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
This one will get more views and it is the same one posted on C4L
Why? Still youtube
Still plays like crap.
At least they are letting the audio stream clearly on this one.
Why do people still post vids to youtube? Don't they know that the enemies of freedom control it?
There are other places to post your vids people, just because it is the best known, does not make it the best place.
He doesn't get
asked about HR1207
This was a discussion about
This was a discussion about health care. Ron Paul is not a one-trick wonder.
But he made excellent points about healthcare
The frenzy over single payer healthcare in my area is so intense, I don't believe I have heard from my congressman about 2424 (I got a lame letter of rejection from his staff on 1207) I have been invited to go to his office to protest his not signing for single payer healthcare, which no way would I go to that protest, and I'm glad for this vid because I think people are open to a solution and this will help. My congressman is being bombarded with protesters on a number of issues.
Wasn't part of their agenda