"Yes, Conspiracy Theorists ARE Crazy"
Posted June 19th, 2009 by xntryk1
Thursday, June 18, 2009
Yes, Conspiracy Theorists ARE Crazy
Many people have given talks, and written articles and books about how "conspiracies" are a well-recognized legal principal, about documented conspiracies throughout history, and about the overwhelming evidence that some recent events were conspiracies.
But it has just dawned on me that - much of the time - the opposite approach might be more effective.
First, let me summarize the suggested approach, and then I'll explain why it works.
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If I get accused of being a
If I get accused of being a conspiracy nut I have a DVD I carry with me and I hand it to them. I made the DVD from this little video:
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
along with a few other choice shorts.
Warning, strong language.
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great post
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One of my favorite quotes by
One of my favorite quotes by Catherine Austin Fitts (www.solari.com)
"Remember don't worry whether or not there is a conspiracy, if you're not in one you need to start one"
xntryk1 : This Is Such A Great Post
You always find the good stuff.
Thanks for sharing this.
Yes, effective persuasion is salesmanship.
Thanks...
I guess that's one good thing about having no life... :-)
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“Let them protest all they want, as long as they pay their taxes.” ...credited to Al Haig, Ronald Reagan's Secretary of State.
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A gentle reminder
The United States of American began with a conspiracy.
yes, and
...we will take advantage of the ideas followed by it
What's crazy is the fact
What's crazy is the fact that our government won't release any videos of the "attack" on the Pentagon. It's the perfect opportunity to silence and discredit 9/11 truth and prove once and for all just how "crazy" we are.... won't cost a thing and will finally put that part of the issue to rest. I guess maybe it's "crazy" to hope for something so simple, logical, and indisputable huh?
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Imagine them opening up Fort Knox or Area 51! That ...
would put some conspiracy theories to rest, but I just don't see those happening either. These people must have a lot to hide or else why not. What is the big secret? I wonder.
We the people aren't
We the people aren't intelligent enough to cope or comprehend these things if they were shown to the public, at least that's their reason
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They know that "We the People" would be pissed-off....
big time if, say there was no longer any gold in Fort Knox, or by chance we have an alien or two in stashed in a flying saucer in Area 51 or evidence that they filmed the moon landings there.
You bet that we would be pissed-off! We would however be intelligent enough to know what to do and that would be to overthrow this damn government the way we would if 911 truth is true.
I don't think they are...
I believe they are the seekers of truth, especially when the answers they receive from those in authority do not make sense. Please read this definition:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w...
Please go to this site, and scroll down half page, and there is a picture of Obama on a coin that you can actually buy if you want:
http://www.runtogold.com/...
Is a surprise birthday party a conspiracy?
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Freedom is not: doing everything you want to.
Freedom is: not having to do what you don't want to do.
~ Joyce Meyer
Yes.
...But as we know, only nutters believe in surprise birthday parties. I mean, ALL those people in on it and NO one leaked the information? Highly doubtful.
Does it really matter if
Does it really matter if there is a large or small group in on "it" (nwo, etc...) ??
The negative effects towards humanity caused by globalization, banking systems, etc...is what we should be discussing not who, personally, is causing it.
It would be highly doubtful if you haven't researched the complete history of societies since ancient time. Most of the information isn't even kept secret, they talk about it openly, especially in their books of what their ideal society would and wouldn't consist of.
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thanks for link.
have to check it out once soon. interresting to read the statement of Adam Weishaupt;
"Oh, foolish man, what can you not be made to believe?"
It's actually part of my
It's actually part of my signature but I recommend if you have the time to check out some of his work, especially his program and blurbs...Between this movement and Alan, I've learned more than I learned throughout school easily heh. I suggest watching his "Reality Check" video as well...
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wasn't a scientist threatened with death
with his conspiracy that the world was round.
If you are referring to the
If you are referring to the commonly held misperception that earlier civilizations believed the Earth was flat, then you are mistaken. This has been proven wrong time and time again.
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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore
Actually, you are quite correct.
**“The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them.” ~ Mark Twain **
actually you are thinking of Galileo
and his theory of a heliocentric solar system.
Of course an observation is not a conspiracy.
the emperors new clothes
(taken from wiki..)
Plot summary
An emperor of a prosperous city who cares more about clothes than military pursuits or entertainment hires two swindlers who promise him the finest suit of clothes from the most beautiful cloth. This cloth, they tell him, is invisible to anyone who was either stupid or unfit for his position. The Emperor cannot see the (non-existent) cloth, but pretends that he can for fear of appearing stupid; his ministers do the same. When the swindlers report that the suit is finished, they dress him in mime. The Emperor then goes on a procession through the capital showing off his new "clothes". During the course of the procession, a small child cries out, "But he has nothing on!" The crowd realizes the child is telling the truth. The Emperor, however, holds his head high and continues the procession.
note how I am being attacked for disagreeing
This is the behavior of a religious cult - no real scholar or scientist, or anyone, other than a cult groupie, would do this. '
For example
All of this for what ? Pointing out that there was some pseudoscience in the 911truth movement. Not accepting that bullshit paper about nanothermite ? Has anyone on this list, other than me, ever used a differential scanning calorimeter ? ?
Don't you mean that peer reviewed
scientific journal on Nano-Thermite.. Yes that makes it total bullshit in every way and pseudo science. What the hell ever man.
You're asking if anyone here has ever used a machine that measures heat in phase transitions of materials. Nope never needed to.. I could merely show you that kerosene poured on 5 inch thick with asbestos fire retardant high grade steel and lit will not make it deform or in your opinion lose complete structural failure to instate total collapse.
Your excuse for throwing a scientific name of a machine used to measure exothermic heat transfer makes me all the more suspicious of your intention.
Because any one capable of using that machine knows damn good and well fire can't cause the complete uniform collapse of a high rise steel and reinforced concrete framed building at the speed of gravity. You'd know that steel is a phenomenal heat sink and wouldn't allow for much effect to be wrought on the steel.
The simple fact of me knowing you're smart enough to understand this means you're a useless paid shill, Especially by you pointing that out to show you know your own competence and to poke fun at those of us who understand thermodynamics who are trying to alert others.
Quit wasting our time here with your disinformation. You're holding back mankind with your stupidity and blatant misleading.
God I feel like a parent reprimanding a toddler for pissing his pants once again then lying about it even though the stain where the piss dried is painfully noticeable.
Quit being a karmatic parasite to mankind.
here's the problem
peer review, in a brand new on-line Journal means very little. By the way, you forgot to mention that the editor of the journal resigned over this paper being published, displeased with the quality of review. also by the way, Cold Fusion appeared in a peer reviewed journal, as did polywater.
review doesn't mean that much, its one step above posting on a forum, and 2 steps above posting on your own blog.
The first problem with the nano-thermite paper is the integrity of the sample. We have to trust the individuals that say they collected it. We don't really know where the sample came from - they didn't film themselves collecting it, etc.
Second problem is that there is no known sample of nano-thermite to compare the sample to, Normally, when someone takes a spectrum of a sample, they compare that to a known sample. and say look this spectrum looks exactly like my known sample of nano-thermite. Since there are no known samples of nanothermite available, the other course is to compare the spectrum to other spectra of other known items - like certain types of metalized paint, aluminum coated steel, etc for examples of other possibilities see - http://forums.randi.org/s...
Third problem is that any combination of aluminum and steel will be exothermic under the DSC conditions. In these devices temperatures are raised slowly, and so other materials melt away, and expose the aluminum to the rust. The temperature range of the DSC scan shown is too narrow. there may have been other reactions at lower temperatures.
Last, so far no one has repeated the test jones did - I was half tempted, but in the end, you can't really trust the samples anyway..
Here's the problem
There are samples of Nano-Thermite.. Only military grade and only the military has them so yes they can be cross checked.. so stop lying.
Secondly you posted that JREF forum as a debunking of nano-thermite.
(Pathetic)
Third problem any body with your level of knowledge that thinks their is enough explosive capability in 14000 gallons of refined kerosene (Jet Fuel) to obliterate three buildings is one of two things..
Completely Mental or Purposefully lying.
Now my question falls under the pretense as to why you want to lie. Is the Money that good? Do you really feel what you are doing is the right thing or is it just that you don't care.
I think it's funny that Devon Saunders pointed out you don't understand Gravity further down in this thread.
To be honest I think I've figured you out. You're a sadistic con-artist. You think because your understanding of a few sciences makes you a god among men.
Steven jones had no samples of nanothermite
to compare with his samples - that's what I said. You are not reading correctly.
the only known Nano-thermite was prepared one time as a test. The exact prearation method is not clear. whether there is any nanothermite laying around in military labs is not known.
So you are the liar, because your reading comprehension is clearly better than that.
the JREF forum clearly shows one possible alternative explanation for Jones' results - the sad fact is that jones himself did not consider alternative explanations.
You remind me of a friend of mine that got heavily involved in the environmental movement. I pointed out some of the flaws in the global warming theory, and he had almost the same reaction as you.
Maybe you should think again. and maybe you and devon should quit twisting my words, its really quite pathetic.
Oruval, Ironman raises some
Oruval,
Ironman raises some good questions about the peer review stuff
I can't speak about the science because I'm just a regular Joe, but what I make sure to do is check where I get my information from. Thats one of the major stumbling blocks for the truth movement, I can never really trust where I am getting my info. I'm not saying that Fox or CNN is trustworthy, but the truth websites offer little creditibilty.
I know about the architects for truth, and I do like their stuff, but I would like to see a major, peer reviewed publication look into this. This will be hard to get done, but maybe they need to look outside the US for someone who will take the task on.
Please stop saying he is a liar and unpatriotic, I agree with many of his points (as I do with yours as well). He asks very good questions, as far as the science, I don't understand so I cannot comment.
I think it's a good thing to ask questions, and if he feels that we are hurting the movement by making this the flagship issue, he has every right to question these things. I doubt he is a paid disinfo troll because I agree with a lot of the things he says, and I know I'm on the Revolution's side
Offer little credibility ? All we offer is proof most of which
is common physical sense verified by hundreds of american scientists, scholars, engineers, doctors, teachers, architects, and the like.
Witnesses of the event documented on tape, Videos of the event documented and archived.
This ironman guy comes with nothing at all but his own opinion based on debunker sites that are also baseless opinion.
Use your head.
Whenever I see these threads I think to myself if you are going to argue a point you need to offer proof of each assertion. This would put every debunker to bed in a hurry since they never show any.
Now go to Patriotsquestion911truth.com or ae911truth.org and read what these "highly accreditted" people have to say about it. I didn't need that validation since I build things for a living and know how the physical world
works.
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you seem to ignore
All of the thousands of scientists and investigators that disagree with the group you site.
For every credentialed person you mention, there are 10 that disagree.
To try to find common ground all you have to do is go to those points where there is significant disagreement with the 911 commission report, and there are a few places where you can start - the original blog had some, and move from there. If you start talking about no planes, and government false flags right from the beginning, you just seem crazy.
I don't think you are crazy by the way, just fanatical
Reaally?
So where are the "thousands of scientists"?
Care to provide some proof of that, or do you just like to write "thousands" to make yourself seem more credible?
"I don't think you are crazy by the way, just fanatical"
And I don't think you're stupid, just reaaaaallllly dumbed down..
Look, here's an experiment for you. Just turn on your gas stove, and leave it on all day. Natural gas burns much hotter than pooled kerosene, which should answer your question. See if melts your grates.
Be sure and don't touch the flame, it is HOT!
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"Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance."
Funny how debunkers say it would take thousands of people
to be in on it and now it's thousands of people are involved in the cover up ?
Notice the irony .
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This guy is not even entertaining anymore.
I find myself becoming angered by his willful ignorance, and or some sick desire to play games.
He is one of those types I try to avoid, because I know I'll get kicked off, for letting him know how I really feel about his idiocy.
He is an ignorant toddler. Always asking to be spoonfed information, and too lazy to look it up for himself. I don't mind helping someone along in the learning process, but this guy is a piece of work.
I really think he is just playing games, and does not care about the issue. He is one of those attention starved types,that thrive on stirring the pot.
Seriously, what is so hard to understand about kerosene does NOT melt steel? Natural gas burns MUCH HOTTER than pooled kerosene, yet does not melt your stove.
If kerosene DID melt steel, then why wouldn't it melt the paper thin metal wick cover in a kerosene lamp?
PROPANE burns much hotter than pooled jet fuel, and yet, does not melt my back yard grill, or my turkey fryer.
When people can't even grasp these concepts, much less gravity, and conservation of momentum, and energy, they cannot grasp ANYTHING.
OR
They are yanking your chain for some sick minded reason.
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"Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance."
They are either really that dumb or they can't admit they are
that dumb so they cling to any argument they can make to feel like they aren't. It's not brain surgery to know what is and isn't possible in the physical world . They deny it because it's easier than admitting they are really that gullible.
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Maybe
there are people too proud to admit, that they are getting their chain yanked, by some sicko.
Just a thought.....8)
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"Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance."
You seem to forget that those people want to keep their jobs.
Sheep who stray from the mainstream flock are left to the wolves. People are spineless when it comes to standing up for the truth if it infringes on their livelihood and we all know what happens to people who question authority in america don't we.
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yeah....
go ask Ken Lewis if he wanted to keep his job, I am sure the answer would be yes, when given the choice to keep his family, and livelihood in tac, he chose to do what the masters, ie Ben Bernanke and the likes told him to do.
False assumption
You don't really know why people believe what they do about 911 - now do you ?
Do people believe the sky is blue to keep their jobs ? you need a better explanation than that.
People don't go against the biggest most corrupt entity on the
planet by stating that the sky is blue . That was a very lame attempt at an argument. Look at it this way , You seem to believe the things the bush administration told you right ? doesn't that make you incredibly gullible now that we know it was all lies ? Same for Obama , has he followed through on one campaign promise ? He is doing exactly the opposite of what he said so far . You can color your own reality any shade you want to but the simple fact is what happened on 911 makes no physical sense. I'm a builder and I cut steel , I cut I-beams using torches , I know for a fact that it can take me sometimes up to ten minutes to cut through One I beam with acetylene which burns hot enough to do it . They are telling us that Kerosene melted steel that day and it's impossible. All three buildings fell in under thirty seconds and 8 minutes or so later I would still be cutting one beam a third the size of the thousands that were in just one tower .
Do the Math . Everything I just said is known and provable fact.
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Talk to a blacksmith
And ask him about Charcoal and a bellows.
Anyway, my point was that many professionals support the general story, and you don't know why they do.
Blacksmith ?
I'm talking about several 100,000's of tons of "reinforced steel" and you give me horse shoes ?
I know you can't be that stupid ? Look at this "single " core column . http://911research.wtc7.n...
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They offer little credibility?
We are talking simple physics problems and he's lying about them, He's a liar and you've been duped.
Tell me these people aren't credible.
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No he's been actively attacking anyone and anything of importance that has been put forth. Hurting the movement my ass.
Yes he has the right to question, but when you've gone down that road and have walked in my shoes debating him rhino and a few others you realize that they aren't trying to understand. Merely confuse.
And confuse you they have.. A 99% truth is still 1% lie. He has you suckered.
Everyone would like to see an unbiased peer review. Sad thing is nationality and evil men will not allow that to happen..
They pulled it off.. if they can do that then they can evade being interrogated. And it shows because they can pay people with fiat money to keep confusion on the topic.
I will check out the link,
I will check out the link, thank you.
to be clear, he hasn't duped anyone. I already felt the way he does, I might be a little more openminded then he, but still had the same feelings.
I cant comment on what has been said elsewhere, but from what I've seen he's a patriot who disagrees with you, nothing else. He already said 3,000 people died because of a lie, he's on our side (I think)
While you're at it
go watch the movie ZERO
here's the link.
Demolition was used to destroy the towers. it wasn't 19 Arab hijackers that caused 9/11.
http://video.google.com/v...
oruval, I liked reading your
oruval,
I liked reading your reply because it is filled with information, thank you.
A tiny suggestion would be stop with the name calling, labeling and anger, I feel you would be far more effective if you dropped the negativity.
I'm guilty of it as well
cheers
That is to show my annoyance
I don't want him to think I'm pleasantly amused at him spreading disinformation. I like to keep my humanity you know.
I do care that 3000 souls and countless other millions were destroyed over a lie. The day that I lose sight of that and care more about my argument being better than his is the day I should go ahead and die, for I will as a compassionate soul have already died on the inside.
regardless of what the truth is
They died over a lie - Its just a matter of what the lies were.
Yes and you're a protector
of those lies. Light will be shown upon the conspirators which you hide.
Only if you are right
about what happened on 911, and I'm sure you are not, so my conscience is free.
Now, If you're wrong, you are protecting the guilty - maybe some day we will know for sure.