Ron Paul Is Sole Dissenter From Resolution Supporting Iranian Protests
Submitted by pawnstorm12 on Fri, 06/19/2009 - 15:23
By Eric Kleefeld - June 19, 2009, 1:53PM
The House voted 405-1 today for a resolution in support of the Iranian dissidents and condemning the ruling government. And the one man who opposed it was...Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX).
Paul said in his floor speech that he was in "reluctant opposition" to the resolution -- that he of course condemns violence by governments against their citizens. On the other hand, he also doesn't think the American government should act as a judge of every country overseas, and pointed out that we don't condemn countries like Saudi Arabia or Egypt that don't even have real elections.
"It seems our criticism is selective and applied when there are political points to be made," Paul said. "I have admired President Obama's cautious approach to the situation in Iran and I would have preferred that we in the House had acted similarly."
Paul's statement:
I rise in reluctant opposition to H Res 560, which condemns the Iranian government for its recent actions during the unrest in that country. While I never condone violence, much less the violence that governments are only too willing to mete out to their own citizens, I am always very cautious about "condemning" the actions of governments overseas. As an elected member of the United States House of Representatives, I have always questioned our constitutional authority to sit in judgment of the actions of foreign governments of which we are not representatives. I have always hesitated when my colleagues rush to pronounce final judgment on events thousands of miles away about which we know very little. And we know very little beyond limited press reports about what is happening in Iran.
Of course I do not support attempts by foreign governments to suppress the democratic aspirations of their people, but when is the last time we condemned Saudi Arabia or Egypt or the many other countries where unlike in Iran there is no opportunity to exercise any substantial vote on political leadership? It seems our criticism is selective and applied when there are political points to be made. I have admired President Obama's cautious approach to the situation in Iran and I would have preferred that we in the House had acted similarly.
I adhere to the foreign policy of our Founders, who advised that we not interfere in the internal affairs of countries overseas. I believe that is the best policy for the United States, for our national security and for our prosperity. I urge my colleagues to reject this and all similar meddling resolutions.
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nothing about freedom of speech?
are you trying to say communists don't have freedom of speech?
Does it occur to the Republicans...
That every Democrat in Congress AGREED with their stupid Resolution???
Maybe that should give them a clue that they are on the wrong track.
Ron Paul is my president.
Pawnstorm
DAMN, Ron's got integrity!!!
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Simply and beautifully stated!
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Pawnstorm
Iranians Should Be Like Us
Why can't they just shut up and accept the consequences once their Supreme Court (oops, I mean Leader) awards the election to the loser? They need to be better sheeple.
While I Support Dr. Paul
While I understand Dr. Paul's vote and wording I wish he would have a little stronger wording as a private citizen. The Iranian protesters are being killed now, but the situation probably will become worse. My question to those who are against intervention in Iran, if several Americans were killed in Tehran or other cities in Iran would you think the same? I support liberty and fair elections and the US needs to support the Green Revolution occurring in Iran. I am not sure of the printing cost of this resolution, but it could not been over $1,000. We need to stand with the students, women, and others standing against A. & the Supreme leader before we have another T. square on our hands. Is China any freer today that 1989, and the answer is no.
The USA/CIA
has an agenda.
It is not about freedom and free elections.
Both things You don't have either.
Everytime the codewords "Students, women and children" come up, be careful.
This is orchestrated.
There are demonstrations pro Achmadinejad.
Not reported though. hmmhmmhmm.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-06/17/content_1155321...
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Clint you sound like a
Clint you sound like a neocon whereas you want to shoot first and ask questions later and let God sort them out regardless of the facts. You appear to be getting your news from the propaganda the MSM is reporting. Your response assumes that the election was not fair. How do you know if it was fair or not? The MSM and neocons have an agenda whereas truth in reporting plays no part.
Who put us in charge of the world where it is "our way or we will kill you policy"? We have no more right to meddle in Iran's internal affairs than they have to meddle in ours. That also goes for North Korea. Regardless, we have enough enemies around the world without provoking Iran.
Dr. Paul speaks out on countries like Saudi Arabia...
...who doesn't even ALLOW free elections.
While Bush and Obama go over and hold hands, kiss and bow to the Saudi Kingdom leaders.
Again...we can't police the world and be selective about it.
How about we go after ALL of them then?
Like we can afford THAT.
Ron Paul is about consistency and PRINCIPLES and apparently that is very difficult to understand when the majority of the populace was taught in government run public schools.
I guess that includes Congress as well.
Pawnstorm
...and the USA
...which has a one party system as well.
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what do you know about China, clint?
what do you know about the Tian An Men Square incident?
How is it "on our hands"?
Where is your outrage about the treatment of protestors at StPaul at the RNC, inside and outside the convention center?
Don't you think that the US ought to clean up its own act before is goes abroad seeking dragons to slay?
well said
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truth about tiananmin
...was that it was a group of student Maoist-communists raging against the statist communists.
it was commie vs commie.
Liberty, freedom of speech, the right to property, freedom of religion, freedom to be free from unreasonable searches had NOTHING to do with Tiananmin.
Nor does it appear to have anything to do with Iran's little counter revolution. It appears to be people pissed off that their tyrant Mullah lost.
We should bear witness, denouce the shootings, andd otherwise STAY OUT of IT.
If it were our country, we would not want some foreign president meddling in our revolution, either.
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The neocon warhawks were out
The neocon warhawks were out in force today. They appeared on every MSM program. They seem to feed and breed on other peoples blood. They are akin to a mosquito whereas they use other peoples blood to fertilize their eggs to create their offsprings. We should remember this when their children seek a political office. We have to break this curse.
It's the influence of the Israeli Lobby, as always
Very basic reality: If the Israel Lobby tells a Representative or Senator to vote a certain way, 99 out of a 100 times they do. They have a near stranglehold on American politicians. I would admit that things have actually gotten better in the last few years due to Ron Paul but this is still a major issue that people need to come to grips with. Take some time to watch this very polished documentary made overseas that talks at length about this issue. Hope it wakes up a few of you to the reality of the Israeli Lobby:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N294FMDok98
I'm certain after watching this you'll have a nice pit in your stomach. It's called the truth and it hurts.
A Majority of Americans Are Against Foreign Intervention.
Yet an overwhelming number of Congressmen favor it? The game is rigged. The CONstitution is flawed. Representation is a shell game. But the libertarian shills on this website will never agree to the principle of one man/one vote. And so there will never be reform.
Why is the simple truth and
Why is the simple truth and common sense in Ron Paul's statement to the house not reciprocated by at least ONE other congress person? How can the WHOLE house be swept up like that, ridiculous group think.
The idiocy on this website is overwhelming.
Do you really believe these guys were elected by a majority?
Technically, no
...it was a plurality
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Not me...not at all.
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Thats the first thought
that came to my mind. There's only one way to find out and that's to ask those who voted for it. Who helped them decide the way they did?
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Alone
I guess this just goes to show you how far behind our congress really is, that only one person has the common sense enough to rationally think before he votes. Ron Paul is one of the only people I trust in politics.
Now that's what can only be
Now that's what can only be described as principled!
And the thing is, despite the other 405 slicksters obviously betting differently, I suspect many voters would agree with him if they only had the attention span to listen to his explanation. And of course, if the media thought explanations more complicated than vapid mutterings of change and hope could actually draw an audience big enough to sell ads against.
Hopefully some media schmuck will try to score cheap points by bringing this up to smear RP as out of touch. The more people hear of this, the more of them will dig a bit deeper, and the better RP will come out.
Looks like a wonkette
Has made it past the gate.
Mods take him out.
Troygice
You do not belong here.
Why Not?
For suggesting that:
a) Tiananmen was not what you've been told it was
or
b) because I doubt the Iranian protestors want anything other than to replace their old mullah with a new mullah or
c) because I loathe statists and collectivists of ALL varieties or
d) because if people want to kill each other in other countries I couldn't care less? or
d) because i am not wearing a tinfoil hat?
3) because I caucused for RP and support his vote on this?
I can't see my original post anymore anyway. Where did it go?
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Plain to see the USA is behind the unrest
Heck the WH even announced it would do this last year:
http://blacklistednews.com/news-4576-0-5-5--.html
Return our Republic to its roots.
Return our Republic to its roots.
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The Federal Reserve is Responsible for the Worst Case Scenario Economic Collapse
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This is from huffington
This is from huffington post:
12:35 PM ET -- "U.S. behind the attacks." A reader sends in this unverified note: "Hi I'm located in Dubai but we have access to Iranian State T.V. here. I just witnessed a program on official state television depicting young Iranians with there faces blurred 'testifying' to visiting the U.S. and being trained and told by the americans to cause unrest and chaos in Iran."
If it is true that this aired on television then those of you whom believe this unrest is a coordinated effort of the US are in the place of either making the same propaganda case the totalitarian Iranian government is feeding to the people or you and the Iranian government are right (if its true this is all the work of the CIA)
I know it IS CIA...
and US backed. There is no doubt in my mind. I have researched enough to know who stands to lose if Ahamadinijad is deemed the new leader. In Iran usury is illegal, people need to see the big picture.
END the fed, they are funding the dissenters. CIA acquired some $400million last year to escalate covert ops in Iran. Are there any plans for a protest of HR504 or is it too late?
Ooops. HR560
I am sorry.
Oh, thanks for correction
I finally went to see the bill just a few minutes ago, saw it was 560, and thought hmmmm I wonder if that's what swansend meant?
What is HR 504?
I just looked it up on Thomas:
Title: To amend title XVIII of the Social Security Act to cover hearing aids and auditory rehabilitation services under the Medicare Program.
?????????
Insider View on Iran
From The David Icke Forum:
hey guys
heres my post from the other thread in case u missed it:
ok guys ill tell you what. ill give you the outline here and now so you get a basic understanding, then ill add sources and evidence as i go along to back up what im saying as true. for the time being tho please assume that i am trustworthy, until you can see for yourselves tho. the problem is its hard to find reliable english sources so im gonna have to go fishing.
anyway. some points to bear in mind
(1) there is a "mulla mafia" who runs iran, even higher up than ayatollah khamenei (the supreme leader), in fact this assembly of experts CHOOSES who the supreme leader is
(2) this mafia is run by this utter slimeball of humanity, known as ayatollah rafsanjani. he is scum. and he was mates with ayatollah khomeini (make of that what you will)
his wiki page (fairly accurate)
(3) this mulla mafia has its tentacles in all areas of life in iran. now iran is full of good people and bad people equally, so you cant say "this group is good" or "this group is bad". its just too complicated, its not monolithic.
(4) corruption has reached SUCH a level in iran, its just fricking unbelievable.
ill give you just one single example, in a sea of them.
one of ahmedinejads main opponents in the recent election was someone who is absolutely up to his turban in this mafia, a guy called "mehdi karoubi" (hes an ayatollah too). ahmedinejad had a live debate with him, if you can understand farsi then click on this link and forward it to 8 minutes 40 seconds and watch the next video in the series.
if you cannot speak iranian a dubbed version is available here it all kicks off at 37 minutes into it
this is what happend:
8 years ago karoobi recieved 300 million from a man who is now inprisoned on corruption charges.
Ahamadinijad Asked him what he recieved that money for.
Karoobi replied, he was given that money with no strings at all and that it was just a gift !!!!
He then tells Ahamadinijad to respect the "clothes" that he is wearing, and that being a scholar gives him "special" rights.
You should note that this corruption is so wide spread amongst these types of people that a criminal like Mehdi Karoobi has no problem admiting that he recieved this type of money on national t.v in the presidential debate.
These are the types of Mullahs that are destroying Islam and destroying Iran.
(5) ayatollah rafsanjani is responsible for these bullshit riots. they are all staged.
Link:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=69052
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God is at home, it's we who have gone out for a walk."
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Sounds a lot like the USA
Just replace Mullah with republocrat or wall street banker and you have a perfect description of the USA.
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I disagree in a way
Ron Paul is right when he says that the U.S. government has been selective in condemning some countries, while letting other countries skate. And I don't think it is the business of the U.S. congress to sit in judgment of another government or people.
However, speaking out against tyranny is a good thing. But it needs to be as an individual, as a human being who decries the persecution of others.
It will be interesting to see what happens in Iran. I am happy that so many protesters are showing their backbones and standing up for themselves. Whether they will prevail is unlikely; but they have taken and new and bold step - something they have never done before. I wish them well.
I'm not sure where you disagree with Dr. Paul...
I'm sure he has no problem with INDIVIDUALS expressing their support for the protestors.
His point (as you said too) was that the Congress should not be spending time and taxpayer money crafting such resolutions.
Furthermore, such action WILL be used by the Iranian government to condemn us and may make it even harder on the protestors fighting their government.
We and Congress have NO IDEA how those elections were carried out. So how can we even make intelligent/informed opinions on this matter?
I hope the people prevail in Iran but who is to say what kind of government even they want?
We have troops in 2 countries bordering Iran and I'll bet Congress is just itching to go in there and mix it up.
Dr. Paul is absolutely correct and we should stay the hell out of this.
Pawnstorm
CIA
The CIA may be causing the destablization of Iran.
You may be right
But how do they get thousands into the streets - throwing rocks at the soldiers? I think the protesters' outrage is real. The CIA may have planted some seeds, but other intelligence agencies, such as MOSSAD, might have a hand in this too.
To me Mossad and CIA are the same thing
especially when it comes to unrest in the Middle East, and some operations executed in Africa.
Watch the Secrets of the CIA, on google, about 1.30 hrs long..a BBC(UK) production, gives a good overview of what the government sponsored terrorist organisation is and does.
With money how else?
Prices are high in addition to high unemployment. Especially, among recent college graduates.
So it wouldn't take much money to get thousands of people out to protest.
Stimulous check
Or a free college education...
There's no maybe about it...
I can almost 100% guarantee that the CIA is playing a HUGE role. This whole thing fits their M.O. to a T. Not that nearly enough people will ever grasp that fact - even when it all comes out, 50 years later, or so...
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Ron Paul = Red Pill
EXACTLY!
Anytime I see all the news stations on TV covering an event somultaneously, I have learned, from many past experiences, to know inherently that "what you see is NOT WHAT IT IS!" I saw the blanket coverage of this flipping thru channels and thought "hey! here's yet another BS presentation of what they want us to THINK is going on. Truth be known, anything ELSE is more likely than what is being reported.
misplaced comment...
If you wont fight for the right when you can easily win...you may...have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival [or] when there is no chance of victory...it's better to perish than to live as slaves.
W.Churchill
If you wont fight for the right when you can easily win...you may...have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival [or] when there is no chance of victory...it's better to perish than to live as slaves.
W.Churchill
Lou Dobbs about Ron Paul yesterday (YouTube)...
I had some free time and made a video on what Lou Dobbs said yesterday on his radio program. Very nice ^_^.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TpBfNOBJSU
That would be awesome.
Very good and Thank you
I do not choose to listen to radio and if I did, I would not listen to Lou Dobbs, who I do not agree with on allot of issues, but I thought YOU did an excellent job of making the YouTube, it was edited perfectly for me. I enjoyed listening to it, Wow! Two thumbs up for YOU (and lou too.. this time). ;))
That was awesome! Thanks :)
If you wont fight for the right when you can easily win...you may...have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival [or] when there is no chance of victory...it's better to perish than to live as slaves.
W.Churchill
If you wont fight for the right when you can easily win...you may...have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival [or] when there is no chance of victory...it's better to perish than to live as slaves.
W.Churchill
great work
I gave it 5 stars and favorited it.
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well played congress
It appears they will keep their boogie man after all.
I fear the election was rigged. Only to keep Ahmajen in power longer.
You see. Without Ahmajen the US doesn't have their Saddam. That is to say the US has spent all this time demonizing Ahmajen that to lose him at this stage in the game would be.....A set-back to say the least.
In order to invade we need that guy in office to go after. Thats why we passed the resolution. It makes it appear like we're behind the opposition when, in fact, we're supporting the reigning power.
I fear we might have this backwards. I belief the CIA is inciting violence on the opposition side inorder to polarize them. Making it appear they are US backed.
Its all a game to those sick F*ckers in the power circle.
All this time I thought we
All this time I thought we were making progress in/with Congress. How long has it been and how many of us have been working to bring Congress back to America? Is it them or us who are not learning?