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**An Inconvenient Truth - Vaccination WORKS**

OK, as much as I hate to waste more time on this topic, I just have to draw a line in the sand.

Immunization (the act of introducing antigens into an individual in order to prevent that individual from developing a specific disease in the future) works.

It is a principle that has been proven through countless controlled experiments, and was shown to work even before the germ theory was widely accepted by medical science.

But I do not know that vaccination works only from what I have read in textbooks and medical journals; I know it because I have proven it for myself.

Before I went to medical school, I worked for years as a lab technician for a company that produced veterinary medicine, including a wide variety of vaccines from cholera to rabies for small and large animals.

Not only did I help to produce the vaccines, I helped in the research and development of NEW vaccines.
I would produce the antigens by growing the pathogenic viruses or bacteria, prove that they could cause the diseases, process the antigenic proteins, combine them with adjuvants (chemicals that stimulate the host's immunogenic response), add preservatives, and bottle them for storage.

I would take the vaccines, dilute them into successively weaker solutions, and inject them into test animals. I would also inject a number of animals (the control group) with sterile saline, or with the vaccine components minus the test antigen. (All of the injections were prepared and coded ahead of time and randomized so that even I would not know which animal was receiving which solution until after the experiment was over.)

After a given time I would take blood samples (to check for antibodies) and then challenge (inoculate) each animal with a dose of the live germ cultures. In order for the test to be valid, 100% of the control group would have to contract the disease.

Know what I found? The animals that got the vaccine DID NOT get the disease and the control animals DID.

Or to be even more scientific, there was always a dose of vaccine at which only 50% of the test animals got sick. Above that concentration they were almost all protected; below that they almost all got sick.

Vaccination works.

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It is all about trust

As someone who is doing vaccine research, I agree with you 100% that if it past phase 3 clinical trial, the vaccine do work. However, that is not what it is about. It is about can we trust the government. Can we trust those who are in power? Can people trust that there is nothing else been done to that vaccine. Would people trust the establishment to give them the same vaccine that the people in the clinical trial get. If they don't they have the right to refuse it. I want that right too.

seriously now..

http://www.youtube.com/wa...

Someone should check the immune systems of those that got sick.

I still say think twice. I'll take the Vit C IV instead. :-)

You missed the point entirely...

It's not about whether the vaccinations work or not. It's an issue of not wanting the government to interfere with personal medical decisions. Why should I have to get a shot of because some bureaucrat thousands of miles away says that I have to? That decision should be left up to me. It doesn't matter if you or the government don't understand or agree with my reasons, the only person who gets to decide what goes in my body is ME.

If It Was Bad For You, They Wouldn't Make You Take It

I agree. Good post.

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"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels

Sheep????

For someone who has this quote "Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels, you say this, "If It Was Bad For You, They Wouldn't Make You Take It.".

If you want to take papa GOVs night time medicine go right ahead, just don't be thinking you have the right to make me take it.

If it was good for you

they wouldn't have to make you take it.

Right...

You wouldn't have to go for your taser gun and nail the living ***** out of them, to keep them away while they go vaccinate the other zombies.

Don't get me wrong, they can do it to anyone who loves vaccinations and will do it.

For everybody else, they better not bring that crap anywhere near them. After all people can choose to get natural cures to anything, even cancer. We have guns and the right to do so anytime.....anywhere

missing the point

If the government declares martial law on the whole country and then attempts to force vaccinations on everyone you can kiss your second amendment goodbye. Gun Confiscation is part of the whole game, quit whining about gun laws and 1st and 4th amendments, they're all gone when they declare martial law, remember Katrina? This is all part of the plan and I suggest everyone wake up and think about what that will do to the freedom movement, done, game over, massive death, no guns, no revolution.

failure to vaccinate in soviet union resulted in diphtheria....

http://www.dailypaul.com/...

Cause was antivaccinationist propaganda....

Regnad Kcin Devon Handed You Your Ass On A Platter And Yet...

you blather on......you are just like a lot of people that "used to be here" until recently: unteachable.
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Yeah, and the Ukraine saw through Ted Turner's eugenicists' lies

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Vaccine scare threatens health in Ukraine

Excerpt:

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Authorities have canceled a U.N.-backed measles and rubella vaccination campaign funded by U.S. philanthropist Ted Turner, and will have to collect and incinerate nearly 9 million unused doses in coming months.
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(End excerpt)

Ain't that interesting?

But how can a guy who SUPPOSEDLY wants to save lives state the following?:

Excerpt from the following article:

Ted Turner Wants You Dead To Save The Planet

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Back in 1996, Turner stated in an interview with Audubon Magazine that a 95% population reduction would be ideal. Below is his quote.

A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal."

Turner has also donated $1 billion to an organization known as the United Nations Foundation. The organization created by Turner is dedicated to the goals of population control, condom distribution, promotion of abortion and other methods to promote the stealth eugenics agenda. Turner and others like Bill and Melinda Gates have donated large amounts of money to so called charitable organizations which really serve to promote the eugenics movement. The public thinks they are doing a good thing with their money, when in fact they are contributing their wealth behind a much more evil and sinister agenda.

Amazingly, Turner was also given an award from the UN for his work in sustainable development which is really nothing more than code for population reduction.
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Now how do you all reconcile that?

I know how -

Vaccines are the ultimate soft-kill weapon for the eugenicists/globalists.

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www.vaclib.org

He would say....

"The Center of Disease Control doesn't say that. You must be making it all up because vaccines are good!"

THE CAT'S OUT OF THE BAG WITH THEIR SCAM !!!

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Does anyone have any comments about the ELEPHANT-IN-THE-ROOM of Ted Turner, the guy who wants 95% of the world's population dead, is the same guy who financed the vaccine-campaign in the Ukraine?

Is it any wonder the people there are NOT accepting these vaccines?

What does the freakin' media expect?

Why doesn't that news article mention Ted Turner's quotes from the past?

How stupid does the media think we are?

I'm just in shock there are people STILL trying to justify this scam EVEN though the cat's out of the bag.

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www.vaclib.org

OK, fine

BUT...

Were your vaccine injections the pure vaccine, or was it preserved in the toxic soup that the shots are in?

And did you bother to measure the side effects on thyroid productions, T-cell production, and liver production in these cases?

This so-called toxic soup---where do you get your info about it?

Formaldehyde is used to kill the virus or bacteria in the case of killed vaccines or bacterins. Only trace amounts remain, far too little to cause anything to happen

Thiomersal was once used as a preservative, but because of the massive outcry drummed up by the antivaccinationist propaganda, it has been long since removed from vaccines given to children, although there was Never ANY evidence at all that there was harm. All of the harm was in the imagination of the shrill-voiced propagandists.

The body will respond to vaccines. T-cell production must change in that response, for sure. Other changes will occur. Adverse reactions are several ten per million, and are not due to the so-called toxic soup but due to the immune response itself.

See, vaccines are friendly.... this guy drinks them at breakfast

I guess all those people with kidney, renal failure, blood disorders and autism are just being silly-gooses.

The bottom line is: do you trust the government with your life?

Most sensible people are answering 'no' at this point.

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

Actually

He refused to drink one!

it has not been removed and

mercury is toxic.

u.SofA is about freedom (or was)

The freedom of choice is what we're about. That's fine if you think vaccines work, then vaccinate. I love your facts about animals. Hopefully that directly applies to humans...

Here's a site with a few facts...
http://www.generationresc...

& there are many others. I've been studying vaccines for my 2 children. I chose not to get them the Rotavirus vaccination, nor the flu, nor several others. We're following the same vaccination schedule I had in 1983. Since '83 there are now 20+ new vaccines that we're injecting our kids with.

Currently, the uSA leads the world in Autism with 1/150 children. Our infant mortality rate is 7.8 (per 100,000) ranking us 34th out of 200 countries in the world. We're also #1 in # of vaccinations at 48 by age 6.

So if you want to vaccinate - go ahead - but I choose freedom of choice & will not bow to every govt demand / request but will allow Common Sense & Facts to guide my decisions.

Personal Responsibility = Freedom
Shawn
www.sovfuture.com
www.angelviewdev.com

Warning: This quackery puts children at risk for diseases

like diphtheria.

Dont listen to the fearmongering quacks.

Diptheria

is a bacterial infection that can currently be easily and effectively treated with erythromycin.

tell that to the 4500 who died in Russia

Erythromycin is dirt-cheap and common in developing countries. 4500 died anyway.

Prevention is better than cure.

Sometimes antibiotics dont work.

Are you sure

the Russians had access to erythromycin? Russia isn't America.

He just....

Pulls it right from the Center for Disease Control official site. Now I just ignore this guy completely since that's not proof.

That is CDC propaganda written by the CDC. Bad form, very bad.

OK, we'll ignore you

And my kid will remain vaccine-free and healthy.

My Questions to the OP:

Should I have to do something that you want to do?

Should you have to do the things I want to do?

If someone comes up with a cure for cancer, should the government have the authority to force it upon those who do not want it? And more importantly, those that have not contracted it?

Because in my opinion, this is what is being proposed. A "treatment' (possibly) for the flu. Should I be forced to take it even though I don't have the flu?

An inconvenient flu vaccine truth

There is no single virus that causes the flu; there is no one flu vaccine that protects against all of them.

And the vaccine manufacturers routinely get their predictions wrong thus giving you a useless flu shot.

half of the things

we get vac for are not even around anymore except for in a lab thats the only place youll find them

I have two words

for you and the pharmaceutical industry:

Karmic debt
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You have been given many instances of vaccination failure in this post and the other one by regnad, yet you both (or are you the same person?) continue on with this agenda...

The pharmaceutical industry is NOT trusted, and for good reason--many instances for that lack of trust have been posted in this and the other thread by regnad, as well...

Of course, it really does boil down to "Having the right to REFUSE vaccination for myself and/or my children". I say I do have that right...
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BAYER (Aspirin) Company DELIBERATELY sells AIDS-infected medication in France, Spain and Japan.....WITH FDA approval:

http://www.youtube.com/wa...

U choose Mercury for your BRAIN

I choose not, am I a risk to you if you have already infected yourself?

How Mercury Causes Neurodegeneration (Brain Damage)
http://.youtube.com/watch...

HIV And Cancer Come From Vaccines - Merck Vaccine Scientist
http://www.youtube.com/wa...

The freedom to choose must

The freedom to choose must be retained. There are pros and cons to vaccinations, and it needs to be left up to individuals whether or not they choose to use vaccines. Personally, as a child, I had mumps, chicken pox, 3 day measles, I sustained no lasting problems because of the sicknesses (by the way, these sicknesses used to be thought of as normal childhood illnesses) and I am a very healthy adult. My main concern is the reliance has become so strong on the vaccines, that people don't commonly know how to treat when/if the vaccines should fail and people become sick. For instance, at some point, since the flu viruses keep mutating, the vaccines will no longer be able to control it, what will people do at that point? Will they have the common sense needed to survive? There is so much emphasis on meds these days, it seems people have forgotten the human body is designed to heal when given the proper care, and nourishment. I have read true accounts where the vaccines themselves caused cancer. Also as I posted on another thread, some people have extreme reactions to the vaccines, because of intestinal conditions-these people are at very high risk of having seizures or death following the vaccination. They have to weigh the risks and decide whether it is worth taking the chance or not. The choice must be left to the individual.

I dont doubt they work

I just question the safety of the preservatives mixed in with the vaccines. There does seem to be a link between autism and vaccines. Don't you worry about what else these big pharma companies are putting into the vaccines? You did hear about Bayer selling HIV infected product overseas right? They seem very untrustworthy to me.

This Paul thing...

really attracts people who are adverse to the society of others. Of course vaccinations work; some people are just paranoid from day one. The only thing we have to fear is paranoid Paul-bott fear itself.

The only thing we have to fear is...

the loss of individual sovereignty and the expansion of the government thumb! Pick a topic, any topic, and that's an applicable statement.

Assert Your Authority

space: The prime question on our minds is:Do flu vaccines work?

That is what seems to be headed our way fast.

Would you take the expected 3-shot flu vaccine series coming later this year from Baxter lab?

I'm not excited about that prospect even though I'm also a doc and work in a hospital setting. I didn't get one last year and never got sick. I do not trust Baxter, and I am very wary of the government "helping" us these days.

Especially after Baxter was found to have contaminated flu

vaccines with live viruses earlier this year. Look it up as I'm not providing a link.

When did Baxter admit to this?

I have heard of this....need to read the report again.

Anything on the Baxter vaccines that one can dig up?

I think most people know

I think most people know that vaccines work but no one want´s to talk about when it does nto happen.
It should be up to the person who get´s the shot nontherless to make the judgement and nobody else.

Just curious.

For you people who are ranting against immunizations/vaccinations ...

If one of your children were to get sick, and you were to take your child to the hospital, and you were told, "your child is sick with smallpox (or chickenpox, or tuberculosis, or whatever), but, because you chose not to believe in immunization/vaccination programs, there is nothing we can do for you. Take your child home, and treat him/her yourself, and sit by their bedside watching him/her die."

How would you feel at that point?

Would you feel that someone (government/big pharma) should do something for your child, or would you feel that you are just paying the price of your beliefs?

I'd deck that doctor

Because he just committed malfeasance and malpractice.

The lack of a vaccination does not mean a lack of treatment.

Any doctor who thinks that should lose their license.

I had a dentist tell my wife once that a bad tooth of hers led to us losing a child. We left in mid-appointment.

I later had the distinct personal pleasure of tearing his license into tiny pieces right in front of him.

Real doctors don't do that crap.

To answer the last question, the best thing that government and Big Pharma can do for my health is to GTFO of the way!

Adults are the people that need to worry

about getting chickenpox. Have you ever seen a parent who got chickenpox from their kid? It's not a pretty picture to get chickenpox when you're an adult. Kids tend to get over it much easier than adults.

Worked with a woman who had never had it

and it was pretty bad. She nearly lost her sight. She had them in her eyes and inside her mouth.

Worse yet, if you've ever seen anyone suffer from shingles, they literally want to die. Giving somebody morphine is no joke -- it's frightfully painful. Anyone who has ever had chicken pox has the possibility of shingles in their future.

Chickenpox vaccine makes shingles WORSE

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From Dr. Mercola's site:

Chickenpox Vaccine Increases Risk for Shingles

Also, here are SOME of the "natural" ingredients to the chicken pox vaccine:

Varivax
Varicella Virus Vaccine Live
Merck & Co., Inc.
1-800-672-6372
produced using sucrose, phosphate, glutamate, processed gelatin
medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)

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www.vaclib.org

everybody That I'v known

That has had shingles was vaccinated for small pox. My parents "induced" chicken pox & mump-s on me as oposed to vacination. "Jim bob is sick go visit him". I actuallu don't remember the specilic vacination i receiced shortly thereafter, but I dveloped severe alergies and was diagdnosed with asthma Four IM shots per week for 4 years. Bastards!

Ron Paul - Hope for d sever alergies

Vaccines ARE bad....

Need further convincing?

Look right here.
http://www.whale.to/vacci...

http://www.uspharmacist.c...

http://www.shirleys-welln...

http://www.tripdatabase.c...

Memory loss, vomiting, Autism, ADD and even Kidney failure have been caused by chemical reactions to Vaccines.

If Vaccines were perfectly healthy, this wouldn't be happening. Certain people do not have reactions to vaccines nor do they get side effects, so they should take them when so desired.

Everyone else should be free to do what they wish.

Smallpox?

Smallpox vaccinations are not available in America. Who dies of chickenpox? And I know of no childhood disease that can't be treated.

You're right, Ruth

Smallpox vaccinations for infants were discontinued in the U.S. a number of years ago.

Who dies of chickenpox?
One of my daughters.
She was recovering following a bone marrow transplant for leukemia, but still in a severely immune-suppressed state, when she developed chickenpox, and the chickenpox-associated pneumonia which sometimes accompanies chickenpox infections.
She was on life support, in a drug-induced coma for 8 days before we had to let her go.
Officially, she died of Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome, but, if not for the chickenpox, she more than likely wouldn't have died.

I'm sorry

to hear about your daughter, but the vast majority of kids are healthy enough to survive chicken pox. I had it myself when I was two.

You can blame the chemo treatment for that one

Because chemo destroys the immune system, making the simplest diseases potentially lethal.

So sorry about your loss. I know how that feels.

Tannim,

The alternative to the chemo, radiation, and bone marrow transplant, though, is death from the leukemia.

Some alternative !!!