An ugly truth: Vaccines do this, too
Why are you people arguing over this? I thought this fight was about restoring Liberty. Which part of "Liberty" involves telling each other what medications to take?
The doctors are indoctrinated into the ways of the AMA. They will stand by their indoctrination unless something momentous happens in their personal life. Let them rant about how wonderful vaccines are, they really have no compassion for those of us who have been touched by the tragedy of adverse reactions. They have a fantasy about compassion for "all those children" that we put at "risk" by refusing to vaccinate. It is from a good place in their heart, let them have it. If the day comes that they try to force you to get vaccinated, and these men do not defend your right to say "No," you will understand exactly how far their love of liberty goes.
I suspect that when the day comes, they will see the light. Until then take care of yourself, and let people "pick their poison." They still have that much liberty. Need some nice, fresh, flouridated water to wash that pill down...?
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There are some vaccines that I think I can see the benefit,
having lived through the times when certain diseases were prevalant. In my small town (180 people, small farming community) polio killed one of my schoolmates and causes lifetime disability to another. Their siblings recovered with no apparent damage.
A cousin's wife contracted Polio and was in an iron lung--a contraption that encased the body to enable breathing. (BTW, what happened to people in iron lungs, flat on their back, seeing the world through a mirror?) I suppose technology has replaced the iron lung--seems I do remember one that just encased the upper body so the patient could sit up strapped in a chair.
I am adding this as a discussion item. After the polio shot polio was no longer something to fear---but I hear that these shots were possibly contaminated with cancer causing elements?
I am very concerned with the vaccinations that are given for childhood diseases that are usually not very serious, and many of the horror stories of these diseases would now be moot because the side effects were because of a secondary infection, and we can now treat these.
Two of my grandchildren became pale and lethargic after routine vaccines which alarmed me.
I also know that autism was not a concern when I was a child and when I was raising my family. There was brain damage caused cerebal palsy, and a few other genetic related defects, but that is ALL! So I can certainly see that SOMETHING IS WRONG!
Most liberties are infringed
Most liberties are infringed in the name of for "the good of"
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Liberty Demands
That no person ever be forced to take a vaccine. Those who argue for mandatory vaccination are the worst type of statists. They have no place on a liberty blog.
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Bumped
Because I'm eternally optimistic Regnad Kcin might someday actually see there are two sides to this issue.
Another bump...
...in support of the efforts of those who expose the negative side of the vaccine issue that the mainstream media and others ignore, or hide.
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for balance
This needs to stay bumped
to balance the provaccination posts.
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Medical orthodoxy is toxic to the mind.
I'm very shocked by the attitude of some of the pro-vaccine posters who seem MORE SCARED OF THOSE OF US who would refuse vaccination THAN OF THE GOVERNMENT USING FORCE TO VACCINATE US.
Some of the pro-vaccine posters rant hysterically about how hysterical the anti-vaccine posters are. I would find this comical if I didn't know what I know about the "laws" in place now that are likely to be put into effect soon to force all of us to accept vaccines that many of us don't want.
The minds of those pro-vaccine posters are immune to facts and reason because they are steeped in medical orthodoxy. They "know" what they "know" and that's that.
Will they see the light when the flu vaccination campaign cranks up? I don't think so. They'll probably still be more afraid of healthy unvaccinated peopIe than of the government's program of forced vaccination.
I couldn't agree more.
Well stated. Wish I'd said that.
You're right about this:
"They'll probably still be more afraid of healthy unvaccinated peopIe than of the government's program of forced vaccination." That's what scares me more than anything. The government's got so many citizens believing unvaccinated people are a threat to them they're afraid to stand up for basic civil liberties.
Vaccines....
Will NEVER be forced by compulsion or I'm afraid bullets will fly.....
Especially from over here....
I hated every single thing they did to me with the Vaccines....and I was one of many, of a few, who became like a government experiment gone haywire thanks to their clearly putrid chemical vaccines.
I was left with one of the worst cases. Barely able to feel any emotion at all. Metal that lodged itself directly in my brain forever possibly.....from both thiomersal and/or aluminum & carbon iron..
Because my body was made differently this wasn't my fault.....I contend. And the government made me into their pet project, without any permission whatsoever...
SimpleSam?
"Metal that lodged itself directly in my brain forever possibly.....from both thiomersal and/or aluminum & carbon iron.. "
WTF??
SimpleSam,
or just plain ...
... simple?
What a crying shame that the issue of vaccination
is splitting us. It's a shame because forced vaccination could well be the issue that forces all of us to choose sides in a deadly serious battle of wills. Who owns my body? Do I, or does the government? I know where I stand.
It ought to be plain to everyone here that if the government can force me to take a vaccine against my will, I am no longer free in any meaningful sense of the word. I'm "free" to live my life in some kind of normalcy only if I comply with their invasion of my body. That's not freedom, it's prison.
Those who agree to be vaccinated against their own will are assimilated into the Borg collective. If they won't even defend their own bodies against invasion, they no longer value individual liberty enough to have the right to call themselves defenders of liberty.
A Cynic...
Is often the most correct. And you summed it up. Perfectly.
Here's a bump..
When vaccines become mandatory, shit's gonna get gnarly for both sides.
I intend
to keep bumping this for a while.
Guidelines.
Please read.
This
is what I try to communicate: parents who lose children to vaccinations are not comforted by the notion their children died because they submitted to a governmentally mandated procedure that supposedly minimizes the death of children. It's never worthwhile when it's your child who dies. Thank you for posting this, and I hope you don't mind if I spread fhe link around.
Not all Vaccines are bad.....
But if you've heard of Bayer Pharmaceutical, you more than know that most of them are bad if not extremely worthless....
My position
is the federally mandated vaccination schedule should be abolished. That's Ron Paul's position, too. The government has no business sticking it's nose in the doctor-patient relationship. Patients and parents have the right to all the available information and to decide for themselves whether or not the benefits of vaccination outweigh the risks. People who decide not to vaccinate should be allowed to not to vaccinate without pressure or ridicule. I'm not in favor of banning vaccinations, because there are too many people who believe in vaccination with a religious fervency and they deserve to have access to a medical procedure in which they believe so strongly.
That said, I believe it may take a century or two, but the day is coming when all people reject all vaccinations and regard them with the same curiousity as people today view trepanning (the practice of drilling holes in peoples' heads to release the evil spirits that cause ill).
Plus Bayer was used by the Nazis and eugenics...
And this is a DOCUMENTED case of facts yet many doctors insist on using these shots.
When I got my flu shots I was FORCED to take only certain kinds of vaccines. There wasn't any choosing or anything. It was just "well, this will make sure all of you never contract a disease..."
Hardy har har..
I'm intrigued
could you elaborate? Why were you forced? Did you suffer from adverse reactions? Let's keep the conversation going, it will keep this bumped!
It was this simple....
Either get immunized, or don't go to school. You could be a health hazard.
That's how they treated not only me, but a whole lot of kids who so called go in for their "annual" check ups...
I don't think, in retrospect there was anything really annual about it. It seemed more like being dragged to the dentist but a whole lot worse, and my parents certainly couldn't do much other than keep me out of school.
Then a long time later, I learned about this load of wonderful news:
http://www.ahrp.org/infom...
Dr. Josef Mengele, the infamous Nazi / witch doctor or whatever you want to call him....Actually used the Bayer drug as well as Schering...on random people and victims inside of Nazi quarantine camps.
They experimented on people with these drugs, and yet here you got Bayer, Pepto Bismol, and all these other giant companies continuing to force feed their medicine down people's throught....
For instance for the Flu, or sometimes Influenza....Doctors would basically plug Bayer like it was no tomorrow, or they would kindly grab your arm through school mandated vaccination programs....
This was all very normal and I didn't know just how much of a racket it was, until looking through their history reports years later...and hearing some horror stories from friends who suffered relapses.
A long time later I had a doctor who had to remove my actual upper molars, forcibly from my mouth because they had embedded themselves as wisdom teeth.
Here's the worst part. The doctor mandated vaccination without giving me much choice, and shot me full of some kind of superlative drug mixed with morphine to take away the pain....
It lasted for over three hours while I was in a daze but, I was still awake while they ripped my molar teeth directly out. I mean I could physically still see the doctor, and the shot, which wasn't a great feeling...
The reason why I had such absolute nightmare trouble with my teeth, is the earlier shots produced high quantities of metal inside my head which slowly decayed the bones in my teeth....Plain and simple...
A possible chemical reaction, which they never cared about. Even after removing all those teeth I remembered just why I truly hate the needle...
Bump for liberty and to
Bump for liberty and to counter the AMA drones... I honestly don't understand why so many people bump troll threads so often.
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