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This Guy Lyndon Larouche......

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LaRouche was denied public debates since he defeated

Keynesian Abba Lerner of Dec. 2, 1971!

Have you heard about the LaRouche vs. Lerner debate? I suggest you look it up: http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2004/3110abba_lerner.html

For the Ezechiel Emanuel video: http://www.larouchepac.com/files/media/20090613-tony-chaitki...

For those who are interested in real economic discussion:
"The significant feature of the heat-powered machine is the functional relationship between increase of the power supplied to such machines and the increase of the operatives’ power to accomplish work. From the examination of this functional relationship, Gottfried Leibniz (1646-1716) defined the notions of power, work, technology within physical science.
The study of this functional relationship, extended from the specific case of the heat-powered machine, to all other features of the productive process, constitutes the subject-matter of Physical Economy. Physical Economy is an integral feature of physical science as a whole; the study of political economy in a manner everywhere governed by principles of physical economy, is economic science."

That's why money has no intrisic value, gold is better, but not the best. questions, or comments...

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Fascism a destruction of the State
Obama is not a communist: he is destroying the USA

He is in left field.

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LaRouche is part of the infiltration/takeover

LaRouche began his political career as a member of the CPUSA (Communist Party USA), and recruited many of his first followers from the Maoist PLP. As recently as 1976, during a series of lectures called, “What Every Communist Knows,” LaRouche described his movement as part of the “world’s Marxist labor movement” working to “bring into being a new Communist international”. After reading “Mein Kampf” by Adolph Hitler, I saw so many striking similarities in LaRouche ideology I have little doubt that he is the fascist that Dennis King claimed in his book, “Lyndon LaRouche: The New American Fascism.” LaRouche purports to be the only true progenitor of the “American Intellectual Tradition,” and in between thinly veiled anti-Semitic rhetoric, and wild conspiracy theories, claims to be the new Franklin Roosevelt.

I researched this guys history....

Wow not to be trusted....at all he's a shady, shady character....I agree with one of the posts on here....he's like a Scientologist freak...people turnin' up dead, rippin' off old folks and people committing suicide just to get away from his people...nutty...

Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death.”
– Patrick Henry, speech to the Virginia Convention

Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death.”
– Patrick Henry, speech to the Virginia Convention

Is this the guy who has a video somewhere

on the internet showing a committee meeting or hearing of some sort where they're discussing health care proposals and nazi type things and one of the Emanuel brothers ends up leaving early when the questioning gets too hot? Does anyone know the video I am referring to? I wish I could find it again. It was fairly recently that I saw it.

is this the one you're looking for?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho-0SHFEgGo&eurl=http://www.b...

Ron Paul cured my apathy - I cured my ignorance!
!!!Truth is treason in the EMPIRE OF LIES!!!

" Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of they day; but a series of oppresssions...pursued unalterably, through every change of ministers, too plainly proove delibrate, systematical plan of reducing us to slavery..."
Tho

Once you get involved with EIR...

They will stalk you like that ex-girlfriend, you know the one.

LaRouche wants... an end to free markets, end to money, and to establish a national bank. He worships FDR. He doesn't understand liberty or economics.

There is an unhealthy obsession with abstractions, historical figures, scientists and philosophers, which are used to enhance credibility by association, especially in the LaRouche Youth. He jumps on-board fads and trends to appeal to certain groups.

Some of his criticisms are right on target. But I would say that many of Marx's criticisms of capitalism are valid as well. However, neither of their solutions are.

I liked what he had to say until....

I heard all this FDR worshiping drivel. That was enough for me to no longer listen

Patriotism vs. Populism

despite what the Austrian school (British lackeys), Karl Marx (Haileybury school British dupe) and John Maynard Keynes (a Hitler promoter) say... money has no intrinsic value!

Monetarism is a policy of control by financial oligarchs (via Central Banks)

the greatest discovery made by mankind recently was the principle of National Banking (don't misread for Central) with National Public Credit. If your money is not owned by the citizenry then it's privately owned. You choose! Hamilton fought so it would be owned by (We) the People of the United States via our elected officials (Congress) by the US Constitution, Article 1, section 8 quoted beforehand

I know my history and my allegiances are to the Declaration of Independence and Constitution of the United States of America.

By the way LaRouche through his EIR (Executive Intelligence Review) produced very complete historical studies go check them out and give me your comments:
www.larouchepub.com
in the search bar type "American Patriot"

How is the value of money as

How is the value of money as a medium of exchange not intrinsic?

Ventura 2012

at least real money....

gold, silver and other precious metals because they have uses other than money...that's intrinsic...

Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death.”
– Patrick Henry, speech to the Virginia Convention

Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death.”
– Patrick Henry, speech to the Virginia Convention

Psssssst...

we promote the Austrian School---

I assume this is a Larouche Quote:

despite what the Austrian school (British lackeys)

my apologies...

I started this topic because some weirdo friend of mine tried to convince me that the LaRouche movement was way better than ours and I knew nothing about it so I came here to get some different viewpoints...

Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death.”
– Patrick Henry, speech to the Virginia Convention

Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death.”
– Patrick Henry, speech to the Virginia Convention

Read his magazine (EIR),

and judge for yourself. He's been making waves since the 70s; Ron Paul made ripples until 2007.

Does not matter if....

He made tidal waves if they are coming from the wrong direction...Idolizing the worst presidents in history is not a way to make real waves....the philosophy of bigotry and flat out racism is just irresponsible.....

Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death.”
– Patrick Henry, speech to the Virginia Convention

Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death.”
– Patrick Henry, speech to the Virginia Convention

Not just serious, but Constitutional, too!

Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness (American Founding Principle)
vs.
Life, Liberty, Property (Slave traders' motto)

Hamilton was a major crafter of the Constitution, you can go back and read his papers.
Especially
1) Report on a National Bank
2) Report on Public Credit
3) Report on Manufactures

The Constitution is Hamiltonian. LaRouche is superior because he understood that simple fact.
Lincoln and FDR were also superior for the same reason.

LaRouche doesn't need me to prove he was not guilty the evidences are in legal documents that even you can find.

N.B. Stop quoting wikipedia, it degrades your own soul: slanders originate from feeble minds.

Hamilton(traitor) Lincoln(tyrant)FDR(socialist)....

If these are the president's that you guys admire you have no business anywhere near this movement....you need some re-education...try www.mises.org...

Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death.”
– Patrick Henry, speech to the Virginia Convention

Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death.”
– Patrick Henry, speech to the Virginia Convention

Hamilton was a piece of globalist filth....

LaRouche is nothing but a Judas Goat.

Thank you....

These LaRouche nuts are unrepentant statists and president worshippers...

Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death.”
– Patrick Henry, speech to the Virginia Convention

Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death.”
– Patrick Henry, speech to the Virginia Convention

He acts like....

....He hates all Jews, and then turns around and sticks up for that British Globalist piece of filth known as Alexander Hamilton who was really known as Levine and surprise surprise...was a Zionist Jew

I've known about his schtick for a long time, do NOT get any ideas about LaRouche......He's a no good follower....And no leader

Everybody has their role to play.

*

Lyndon's role is comic relief.

..and he's not especially good at that, even.

-jcr

"The problem with trying to child-proof the world, is that it makes people neglect the far more important task of world-proofing the child." -- Hugh Daniel

The guy's a crook and a whack-job.

LaRouche is basically a low-rent version of L. Ron Hubbard.

-jcr

"The problem with trying to child-proof the world, is that it makes people neglect the far more important task of world-proofing the child." -- Hugh Daniel

OMG! ROTFL....

Ouch....that stings....

Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death.”
– Patrick Henry, speech to the Virginia Convention

Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death.”
– Patrick Henry, speech to the Virginia Convention

Ever met a Rouchebag?

They're pretty loopy. Almost as loopy as the scientologists.

-jcr

"The problem with trying to child-proof the world, is that it makes people neglect the far more important task of world-proofing the child." -- Hugh Daniel

I like him

I like him

I think LaRouche is superior

If Dr. Ron Paul is today's Thomas Jefferson, then, LaRouche is today's Benjamin Franklin!

The fight is between the British policy of imperial rule versus American principles of national sovereignty. There is a very good reason why America is not a monarchy nor a democratic Congress, only. To be a Constitutional champion I think you have to lean on Hamilton's side as LaRouche does...?! And that's the essence of leadership a Presidential system, with judiciary and legislative checks and balances.

On the money issue:
US Constitution, Article I Section 8.
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;
To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

Free trade policies mostly work in the domestic affairs of nations as was recognized by Friedrich List, Henry Clay, Henry C. Carey, Abraham Lincoln, Franklin D. Roosevelt. Their records are pretty self-explanatory.

Don't you think???

More books published by LaRouche since the 1970's
http://wlym.com/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Books

Superior to what?

LaRouche is a moderately successful con man, but he wasn't smart enough to get away with credit card fraud. He got sent up the river for it.

-jcr

"The problem with trying to child-proof the world, is that it makes people neglect the far more important task of world-proofing the child." -- Hugh Daniel

Hamilton...Are you serious....

You just invalidated whatever argument you were trying to make...

Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death.”
– Patrick Henry, speech to the Virginia Convention

Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death.”
– Patrick Henry, speech to the Virginia Convention

Yes, FDR's legacy definitely

Yes, FDR's legacy definitely DOES speak for itself...

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Bump for discussion

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I first came across LaRouche during Clintons terms

LaRouche was interesting because he was a vocal liberal against the "liberal" Clinton administration, knocking Clinton better than the Republicans, who stuck with looking at Clinton's personal/sexual "problems".

LaRouche was called a conspiracy theoristist on the weird charges he was making against Clinton (upset Clinton signed us into the UN Agenda 21 Sustainable Development in 1992).

For me, LaRouche was who clued me in that the Neoliberals (Clintons, were working with the neocons, Bushs) and the neoliberals were outting the liberals in the Democrat Party, while the Neocons were outting the Republicans in the GOP, and MSM misled the nation in having us think, liberals were outting conservatives and visa-versa. Nader saw what was going on, which in part, why he ran for president, which MSM's job was to remake Nader from a man people went to when they could not get action from a corporation or the government for bad goods, to a man no one wanted to be associated with for saying he saw "no difference between parties". Nader and LaRouche people dominated the antiwar protests.

LaRouche, Nader, Ventura, McKinney, Badnaric, Petrouska, Baldwin, Brown, Keyes, people all have anti-war in common and that's where as a coalation against wars (UN wars) we have an opportunity to unite and educate each other. I'd like to see anti-war move this way, vetting candidates in "open debates" , rather than A.N.S.W.E.R. or some group responsible for the events, thus limiting the events to "anti-Israel" (which should absolutely be a part because it exists, though I personally I for Israel, not that I am for the USA paying Israel or any nation to exist for no nation has the right to exist, not even US).

No comparison at all....

LaRouche is a nut, and has said some outrageous things on television before which make no sense at all.

Nationalizing every one of the federal banks. Throw all jews out of every state. Dismantle Cuba, Israel, Ukraine etc.etc.

Outlaw all spanish immigration to the usa and build a fence.

He's NOT a powerful voice in the movement, he's a trouble maker for ANY movement........

Lyndon LaRouche heavily backs isolationist crazy conspiracies.

LaRouche is basically a Judas Goat like Glenn Beck.

Don't make the mistake of following him.... he IS NOT a leader, as most of his solutions aren't even solutions. Israel is definitely in the wrong on most matters, but so is the Globalist United Nations, CFR, and the Elder's Club which are working the same goals as Israel.

LaRouche is a Socialist, but..

Their publication Executive Intelligence Review is a good publication of what's really going on and who pulling the strings. Needless to say, Zionists crucify him.

I think LaRouche himself is a Zionist

....And all the Executive Intelligence Review crap is just a cover.

He singles out all Jews as "evil" people, and calls the spanish "chinks" so therefore he is violently racist & anti-semitic.

There are severe flaws in half of his arguments, that revolve around taking us back to the stone age.

Not only that, his credibility is then severely dishonored when you realize one of his biggest heroes is Alexander Hamilton....NOT Andrew Jackson....

And his idea is to nationalize every bank, every Federal Reserve, and take it over.....

He has all this racist hatred but really likes certain Zionists such as Hamilton & Franklin Roosevelt. This tells me he's a worthless Judas shill.

The EIR is good for some coverage, but I think it's clear LaRouche is just a fraud in the end running it for publicity.

Every time he comes up, I type all this out again...

LaRouche points out the problems well. His solutions are not compatible with our message. With that said, I think Ron Paul people should read his stuff, or the stuff of his people, once in a while. I once read an article at EIR (Executive Intelligence Review, a LaRouche site) called "U.S. Mortgage Crisis Can Trigger Collapse Of the Global Casino". It was powerful, and had graphs, chart, etc. I knew about the sub-prime deal WAY before anyone else I knew, because of that article. I called the housing collapse to my friends long before it happened. They called me crazy. Big deal. LaRouche was right.

He wants to take control over the Federal Reserve, nationalize it, and create a 2 tiered credit system of 2% to companies doing infrastructure work to rebuild the country, and 4% to everyone else. He is a huge FDR guy :/

Where he really gets it wrong, is mis-labeling "free-markets" and "free-trade". He HATES the British! He can't stand the British colonialism of the 19th Century, Good! That was the parent of today's globalization. (remember the CFR was spawned from the British RIIA). Those globalists popularized the term "free-trade". What we need to do is teach LaRouche people that what the Globalists advocate is really "WTO Centrally Managed Trade". That is not free-trade. Similarly, we need to teach LaRouche people that you can't have a "free-market economy" if you have a central bank dictating the interest rates and manipulating the money supply causing all of the inflation. That is a centrally managed economy, not a free-market economy.

LaRouche was in the Reagan admin pushing SDI (star wars), and the neo-cons HATED him for it, plus he kept the back channel open with the soviets, helping to avert WW3.

His people are more cult-like towards him than we are towards Ron Paul. He opposes Obama's Nazi health care reform. He HATES Obama!

If you are willing to look with an open mind and learn, there are some good things you can take from his movie "1932, A True History of the United States". Of course, I am not saying I agree with all of it, but I did learn a thing or 2 from this. It is narrated by the guy that played Chikotay from Star Trek Voyager too, lol. Anyways, It is really worth watching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgcdRCWEt4Q

Here is the article I referenced above.

U.S. Mortgage Crisis Can Trigger Collapse Of the Global Casino
http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/2007/2007_10-19/2007-1...

Here is his latest webcast. He starts off RIPPING on Obama's health care plan as Nazi Eugenics! HAHAHAHA!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXEZSTQwGh8

I'm not saying we all jump on his bandwagon or anything. I do not agree with some of his positions. I'm just saying he is worth paying attention to. I would say he is a "Protectionist". You can call him a socialist or a commie or whatever, but I think protectionist is most accurate. To him, Obama = Hitler.

EDIT: I am watching the webcast now. He is for putting those companies into bankruptcy, opposes the bailouts, opposes attempts to shut down the farms (food safety modernization act I think is what he is referring to). Ripping on Gov. Arnold. He's cracking jokes on Obama too, LOL! Now he's ripping on the oligarchical systems of Europe, and promoting the reasons for coming here to form a new nation. Promoting the Constitution, and opposing the Bank of England. Now he's saying get rid of the IMF, no more government borrowing from banks, use power of government to create the money and credit.

re:

>>It is narrated by the guy that played Chikotay from Star Trek Voyager too, lol.

>>

Robert Beltran is his name. I've been trekkie since I was in the 2nd grade.

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Very accurate description

He is also strongly for the US and BRIC countries co-operating on fixed currency and disassociation from the UK especially. He has some good points. he apparently also visits foreign leaders and the Russians told him they are interested if his movement is strong in the US, which it is not. They represent more the principled left wing side of the Democrats. I am sure the BRIC countries will work for a gold standard and with the US especially as Dr. Paul's influence grows. Commodities are very important int eh BRIC countries and in the rest of Asia. De Gaulle's France wanted to start with a gold standard and Malysia's Mohatir Mohamed also, together with soem ME countries.
Larouche is perhaps like Kucinich, not for a gold standard, but they want fixed exchange rates between currencies, which the banks will not allow and is very unrealistic.

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Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death.”
– Patrick Henry, speech to the Virginia Convention

Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death.”
– Patrick Henry, speech to the Virginia Convention

They are very much into

They are very much into demagoguery and love FDR style strong leadership. However, they are into conspiracy theories, as is our movement, and are compatible in that way.

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FDR style?? what?

FDR style?? what?

A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to
send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,
but a sword.

They aren't compatible....

LaRouche is a bit of a nut case who sticks up for Franklin Delanor Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, and other traitors...He vouches for Hamilton.

Ultimately LaRouche's views are not compatible with most real Ron Paul followers. The only similarity they have is "thinking" about global government scenarios..

LaRouche also seems to blame everything on the jews and the spanish, when our system of finance is a bit more complicated then that. He's a plant and I called him out for it. I appreciate it when people do not lump in the LaRouche crowd with the rest of the movement...

I could care less if he wakes up people to small government who then find Dr. Paul, but they need to be following Dr. Paul and the movement, do not make the sudden mistake that LaRouche, or Glenn Beck, or media shills on your TV screen....are leaders. They aren't....ever.

Exactly

and Dr. Paul represents the Jefferson side again. There are some parralels, but you do not want to be too closely associated with them as they are treated as nut cases and Larouche has made some very outrageous comments as well and has never been elected to anything. They actually represent the left side of the Democratic Party. Webster Tarpley, whom AJ interviews, is also in this tradition. Economically they support something like -pre-keynesiasm, the same idea of taking debt, but more conservative, via bonds and not so much printing money, e.g. printing bonds. They actually also represent big govt. statism, wanting to nationalize the Fed. The Larouche movement is in several countries, but they are limited, perhaps very limited and built around a person, not his ideas so much, unlike Dr. Paul where it is about the ideas and we have an utter huble person, where imho his person helps a lot in providing credibility to the ideas.