
What if 911 was an inside job,
Submitted by SirFelix on Sun, 07/12/2009 - 19:39
and what if the state run media told the people the truth?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgRsxv3KWkg
We have been struggling because we do not have near enough the numbers to make a huge difference.
If 911 was proven to be an inside job. Then all that came afterward, would be rejected by the people.
The wars, the engineered economic collapse (glass-steagall repealed), the loss of our liberties, the spying, the torture, the deaths of millions.
Never stop striving for the truth.















Here's the full video form RT in better quality:
Nano-thermite took down the WTC?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RNyaoYR3y0
Ron Paul's Convention Speech
Ron Paul's Convention Speech
"Freedom brings people together." - Ron Paul
Did Dick Cheney"Accidentally" Let 9/11 Happen?
He Only Had to Wait a Couple of Minutes
Before you say “that’s a crazy conspiracy theory”, please note that Cheney would have only had to delay normal military response a couple of minutes to let the 9/11 attacks succeed.
Specifically, the Secretary of Transportation testified to the 9/11 Commission:
“During the time that the airplane was coming into the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President … the plane is 50 miles out…the plane is 30 miles out….and when it got down to the plane is 10 miles out, the young man also said to the vice president “do the orders still stand?” And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said “Of course the orders still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary!?”
All Cheney had to do was delay normal defensive procedures a couple of minutes to let the plane slam into the Pentagon. It was obvious by that time that the 9/11 attacks were not random instances of “pilot error”. Cheney – in charge of counter-terrorism on 9/11 – simply had to watch the plane approach from many miles away and yell at everyone that “the orders still stand” to let the attacks succeed.
By just delaying for a few minutes, Cheney’s long-dreamed Iraq and Afghanistan wars, imperial ambitions as described by the Project for a New American Century, and increase of powers domestically would all be justified.
The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) – who led the 9/11 staff’s inquiry - said “At some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened”. He also said “I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years…. This is not spin. This is not true.”
please read the full article...* these are only a few exerpts from it... alot of supporting links within
http://unspy.wordpress.com/2009/06/17/did-dick-cheney-accide...
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"Then all that came afterward, would be rejected by the people."
I would also say that all that came BEFORE would also be rejected by the people for the same reasons. It would be that they were caught red-handed with 911, and they were doing the same crap before 911 as well.
Time is running out though.
You all can argue over 9/11 truth in your FEMA camp cell
Meanwhile, I'm supporting Ron Paul and making my views known to my congress critters.
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"The consolidation of the states into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of the ruin which has overwhelmed all those that have preceded it."
- Robert E. Lee, 1866
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"The consolidation of the states into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of the ruin which has overwhelmed all those that have preceded it."
- Robert E. Lee, 1866
IF I did not have obligations today
I would debate each and everyone of you here, RESPECTFULLY, because it is not without RESPECT that I offer my words of dissent for 911 Truth. It is not False Evidence Appearing Real (FEAR) that motivates my opposition to 911 Truth. With all the censorship I witness on MSM which to me, the net is MSM also,, we have two major parties, and several forms of media, and it's all MSM or censored, which means 911 Truth is not censored because it is not revealing TRUTH, and what's more imporatnt is it's lack of leading to justice.
Downing Street Memo, the smoking gun, shows an international job with duel citizens and elites with hte UN Agenda 21, which would have NEVER allowed any demolation of the towers for environmental purposes.. and how about those folks at Cantor- Fitzgerald? Why were they targetted? What did they know? 911 Truth wants to focus of Windows of the World and the international staff.... hmmm.
In my experience as an activist.... When I took on the Southern CA Water Quality Control Board, I had two years of documented evidense, and I won, $125K for Manhattan Beach CA to put "Leads to Ocean" on storm drains... the day the award was presented, a little stand propped up near the jetty for pictures of the bay in the back... I was really upset with my win because I, not being an attorney, would have asked for something other than signs... so my attitude getting this award was discust with the system... I felt so played (by my own getting involved) sailing into Santa Monica Bay, for the first time in history, a super tanker. It would have been a slap on the face had I not already felt slapped in the name of WIN.
I see 911 Truth as CONTROLLED OPPOSITION. There is a supertanker out there 911 Truth is keeping your eyes off and that is the UN, the oiliarchy of elites who run it, and their quest for global government in that they really don't give a damn who it hurts, they feel so protected and safe with thie control, which includes star war robotics...
The towers were professionally demolished and that's all I'll accept from 911 Truth as truth. The rest is not getting Downing Street memo out of Conyers file cabinate, eh? Why not?
I find it interesting
that you seem to be convinced that the truth movement is promoting a world government solution.
Since the truth movement does not espouse any "world government" or "world court" solution to this issue, I really have no idea where you are getting this opinion.
I guess it's your story and you're sticking to it.
Fine.
But it has nothing to do with reality.
On this issue....
...I agree with Granger.
And it really is this simple. Yes, as she spoke we know the towers were demolished with explosives. There's video & countless papers proving it.
But, and again this is also true, we don't know who demolished those towers with explosives & we don't know what this all entailed and we don't know ultimately how it happened.
We don't know because there's no conclusive evidence, only circumstantial evidence - still to this day released. Israel was likely involved, the US Military Industrial Complex was likely involved....but all of those theories don't amount to evidence, until we hear insiders actually discuss what happened.
We haven't seen any picture of who pulled off this operation, we don't have their names. We don't have videos since clearly it was all blacked out. Insider witnesses would have this hard evidence, they would have the tape logs. They didn't have any reason to just pass this along & then not come forward. They're not coming forward because of attacks, you can bet. But when they do come forward, then we'll have something.
The evidence which would confirm the conspiracy, has to come from the commanders who had to have been involved in the attacks & they have to spill it....there's probably over a hundred who have something.
A Truther...
you are.....
Deductive reasoning
Since 911 Truth does not ask for justice, nor it is very specific about anything except "inside job being professionally demolished buildings and government cover-up", I watch US citizens losing their sovreignity for a UN global empire... 911 Truth is leading you to what truth and for what?
I have a problem with truth for nothing.
So
Do you desire the truth qua truth?
Additionally, if you desire the truth for another reason (hopefully on top of the truth for truths sake), what would that, or those, be?
Give a leadership vision here as opposed to just tearing down, eh?
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Here's a live link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant
Each man has a truth, and which one do I choose... Hmmm I guess I'd go for the ear (Horton hears a who)
Yeah
The eternally drunken bum downtown has his personal VERSION of "truth" but it likely does not align very well with the objective reality that he likely does not seek out in a very dedicated manner.
In other words, some people work very hard to run from the objective truth and therefore create their subjective worldwide in contradistinction to the actual facts of reality.
Does the fact that many individuals struggle to discern reality prove that "truth" (objective fact) does not exist? This appears to be your argument and is quite laughable.
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The concept
"911 truth" means discovering the objective reality of what took place on that day and everything related to it (i.e. finance, set up, cover up, etc.)
How could anyone with a decent mind be against finding the objective reality of what occurred?
Some individuals did shady ass shit. They need to be brought to justice.
Nothing more, nothing less.
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"Blessed are the peacemakers, they shall be called the children of God." - Matthew 5:9
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Your concept
Truth is subjective to the perception of the viewer, like Beauty or ugliness...
truth = objective reality
Do you dispute that there was an objective reality of a collection of factual events that surrounded this event?
By "truth" I mean the objective facts that surrounded that day.
You agree that objective facts are observable and discernible, no?
I always find it suspicious when someone tries to turn "truth" into a subjective concept. I find that trait heavy in nihilists and the philosophy of nihilism heavy in trolls.
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Truth is subjective
Behold the Blind men and the elephant in the living room http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_
As to your OBJECTive Truth... what is your objective? Truth for what? For who? The UN????? The USA? How so???
Your link is dead
And I am not a part of any organization with an "object" aside from the loose body of free individuals who seek to have peace, individual liberty, personal responsibility, justice, and, yes, TRUTH, as the center pieces of human social existence.
If you and your mind did not exist, the OBJECTIVE (i.e. outside of you) REALITY of what took place surrounding 911 would still have been the objective reality. You can have all the subjective view points you want relating to your understanding of the truth, but your own potentially warped perspective means little to nothing. What does mean something is the FACTS of the matter. These facts, these actual events are the truth and the objective reality.
Those who have an issue with reality and objective truth, usually have some reason to do so (i.e. the objective reality implicates them, or goes against their desires). The guilty or the fools are the only ones I ever see argue against discerning objective reality. In this case, you seem to be jumping on their ship. Is this intentional? Are you fronting or is it folly?
As to my personal objective (separate meaning of the word as compared to the use under "objective reality" FYI), there is none other than seeing peace, liberty, joy, prosperity, truth and justice reign in this land. Hopefully under a revitalized Constitutional United States Republic. 911 put a big fat hurdle in the path towards achieving these ends in for decent people of this country (see USA PATRIOT Act, undeclared wars that continue to this day, etc.) and therefore, those who committed any part of the act have committed a crime against those who lost their lives first and foremost, and every other American, as well as numerous millions abroad due to the outcome. Let the lights shine!
Now, if I may ask, what is your objective?
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Great Post
And as you can see from the post bellow lacking any real response, he is a straw man.
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Live link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant
Kemp,
you give the impression that you think that you are saying something ...
What are you trying to say?
I was responding to Granger's long diatribe against "911 Truth"
Is he addressing the concept of the "true events behind 911" or does he mean some organization called "911 Truth"?
One could reasonably be against an organization called "911 Truth" that may display criticism-worthy behavior, but one could not reasonably be against fully knowing the objective reality surrounding the events of 911 ("911 truth").
It was difficult to ascertain what exactly The Granger was referring to in his post, so that is where my comments are coming from.
It is well know that people are on the rolls who muddy the waters regarding 911 so I try to de-mudify them.
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_4391.shtml
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"Blessed are the peacemakers, they shall be called the children of God." - Matthew 5:9
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www.ponderthis.net
Kemp.
you have been around for quite a while, and still don't know that The Granger is a lady?
My comment was more in relation to your "shady ass shit" comment.
Is that supposed to mean something?
I am sorry, but I do not recall ever coming across
The Granger's gender. Means little anyway.
And by shady comment, what do you think it means? Some people did some shade tree activity. Do you dispute this?
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Well good....
But there's a lot more pressing matters....such as taking out the central nervous system, the Federal Reserve & dictatorial laws.
Now 9-11 was clearly shady....Until the actual WITNESSES come forward though, you're just speculating, we wouldn't know how shady it was..
Something's keeping the people who have the goods from spilling all, once they do then the cover up will have to fall away bit by bit...
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/lieofthecentury.html
JFK
Although 70% or so of the American public if asked would say they were open to or believed that Oswald was not a lone gunman (back and to the left) and the government had some involvement. Yet all the atrocities, such as the escalation of the Viet Nam war, still occurred.
A single event will not persuade the public to reject anything so long as it does not directly affect them and if it does they may rather be quiet well behaved children then vocal activists or patriots.
A pessimist’s point of view.
I believe it was an inside job....
But the constant drumming of 9-11 is an inside job is not going to get anywhere, by just drumming it and handing out circumstantial evidence.
Nine Eleven is still not solved, because the actual witnesses and people who hold the real evidence have been afraid to even come forward. Now that finally may be changing, they may come forward with actual non-doctored videos, photographs, radio communications & other data which could add up to a very convincing picture of 9-11 being an inside job.
But so far, they have been gun shy and have not produced it...So far what you have is physics experts and technicians all agreeing, that "explosives" took down the towers on 9-11 due to nothing else being a possible explanation...and NIST finally conceded to the explosives accusation..
And of course you have those dancing Israelis, NORAD scrambling jets, and other interesting supporting evidence including white vans tested positive for explosives.
But that's all assumptive in nature, and not conclusive evidence of a conspiracy to commit the 9-11 attacks. What the public is waiting to see, is the eye witnesses, the people who are holding back that have the video evidence maybe even taped evidence of some of those agents involved...and most of them being harassed to death by the NSA...still didn't come forward.
My point is it doesn't do any good to constantly talk about it and hammer it out, when it's only assumptions based on circumstantial evidence & you don't have any names of those people involved. It won't help anyone to keep drilling this over & over again, given the more prudent issues.
They are the ones who have the real evidence!
http://revolutionarypolitics.com/?p=1615
I have a much better reason
for people to reject the wars, loss of civil liberties, spying, torture, death of many innocent people etc. and that is unfaithfullness to the constitution. Most Americans accept the constitution and ALL politicians swear to uphold it. Inside jobbers on the other hand represent only a niche part of Americans... and let us for one second assume the inside job theory was true, think how many hours you have to spend persuading people that it was an inside job. I think the inside jobbers themselves spent how many hours investigating etc. and the trurth and hard fact is most Americans simply do not have the time to spend so much time and they are not conditioned to distrust everything the govt. does. So I say even if the inside job theory were true, it would be unpractical to persuade the majority of Americans. On the other hand, it is much more practical (and principled) to inform them about the constitution and how it applies and why laws that take away liberties are unconstitutional. The natural law should take presendence over the positive law in this case.
It is clear
you do not follow the Austrian reason for the economic collapse. Citing the repeal of Glass-Steagal as THE reason for the collapse is quite nonsensical, it had something to do with a whole range of factors, but the main reason is the Fed's lowering of interest rates for a long time. Also Glass-Steagal was repealed in 1999, two years before 911 so it has nothing directly to do with 911. Is this the way you inside jobbers are doing your research? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass-Steagall_Act
Loss of civil liberties and spying has been going on before 911.
One problem I have with you 911 inside jobbers is that you seem to accept that the Iraq war would be valid if it was not proven to be an inside job! And nothing further can be the truth: it was unconstitutional and very unwise as a non-inside jobber - Ron Paul - has argued.
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Yeah, I Go With Everyone's "If"
And, psst, how come we're not takin' this to the courts beats me! Shows how that, we don't really "give a damn"? Don't trust the courts? Don't really believe that we have an argument? Sleep at the wheel? who gives a hoot?
Playin' with life?
Not even any "Investigate 9/11" signs, billboards throughout the Country goes to show how lame we really are?
Not my job? Not your job?
this entire "movement" is lacking
a mission statement. 9/11 investigation,.. if something quasi iconic like the r3volution signs were made, maybe it would catch on better. any graphical artists or type font guru's?
“One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.” Plato
“One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.” Plato
How about "I don't have the money to fight this fight in the
courts?"
First, you have to have standing to even be given the time of day. Second, you have to demonstrate a crime with evidence you can physically present at trial and not just infer or talk about. Third, you have to ask for specific relief from the Court that they have jurisdiction to grant.
Maybe all those elements exist for someone. But not for me. I don't have standing. I personally was not harmed directly by those attacks. Neither my life, liberty, nor property were demonstrably reduced by those acts. (that doesn't mean they didn't create an atmosphere conducive to encroachments on liberty, but they themselves did not directly and demonstrably impair my freedom by those particular acts) I cannot name specific individuals WITH proof that they in any way participated in the acts and what they did. Since I have no actual criminal to bring before a court, I have not even a crime to charge someone with. Sure a crime was committed, but BY WHOM and HOW?
And a I noted, I AM BROKE. I manage to pay my bills and keep the lights and internet on, gas in the car, and that's about it. (thankfully I own my home and car, so the only other expense I have is food and car insurance)
Tell me oh wealthy one, what bill should I not pay for the next several years to fund your little court room adventure?
What do you mean "inside job"?
Do you mean the USA should come under UN control because the US government, and no other governments, were involved, or is an inside job a UN job, after all, the USA has not benefitted but lost while the UN has more power than ever.
TG is right... perhaps for the wrong reasons.
Assumption: 9/11 was an inside job.
As a result, the US has launched attacks against other countries and people and killed millions.
If the truth is revealed, then what? Well the USA would be considered a rouge nation.
A rouge nation that needs to be taken control of by an international body, namely the UN.
That's how it would work.
I think we all understand the "rogue nation" problem.
Obama seems to be doing everything he can to perpetuate that image right now.
But rather than succumb to not talking about the truth for fear of the UN stepping in, I think the hope would be that 9/11 being exposed as an inside job would FORCE Obama, or whoever is in power, to bring an end to the fraudulent so-called war on terror, address the war crimes, and hopefully take away that rogue nation perception.
Even if he didn't want to, short of another false flag, how could Obama, or whoever is in power, not do that when the lid is blown off the 9/11 hoax?
Besides, what is the other option here?
Would Granger have a lid kept on the biggest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people when the loss of so many lives and liberties that resulted from that hoax...CONTINUES?
Blue Eagle - are you backwards too?
How does the assumption that 9/11 was an inside job justify our attacks on other countries?
Our attacks on other countries are presently justified on the lie that it was NOT an inside job and instead was perpetrated by a caveman with a cell phone on dialysis and 19 other goofballs who can't fly.
We never attacked based on the assumption of inside job - quite the opposite.
Is there something in you two guy's drinking water?
Time Granger to take those blinders off
You know that the Government we see is not the government that holds the strings!
You give the most inane responses on the 911 threads, making me wonder if you are 6 sausages short of a barbeque.
Are you telling me NO ONE within the U.S.
had a hand in this attack?
Not ONE SINGLE person?
Not ONE?
If just ONE did, then that would mean there is an element of "inside job" and I would contend it is a lot more than just one person.
I would also like to point out, that simply because someone OUTSIDE the U.S. was involved does not mean NO ONE inside the U.S. was. The two are NOT mutually exclusive. How can you not see that? Why are you wasting our time on such presumptions of exclusivity?
AND WHERE is there any statement on his or anyone else's part here that the U.S. should come under UN control because anyone believes that there is in fact an "inside job" element at work here? Are you on crack?
Exactly. Just because there might be international involvement..
...doesn't mean it's not an inside job.
And I've never seen anyone in these 9/11 discussions advocate that the U.S. come under UN control. Not sure why she keeps saying that.
What do you mean if?
The "official" 9/11 commission was a joke. Rushed through by Bush in a few months...
...WHILE ROUTINE PLANE CRASHES OFTEN TAKE YEARS TO INVESTIGATE.
Pawnstorm
Bill knew
and died because he told.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phKiT2-94XU&feature=related
If hell
Yes...911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB..the proof is there..it was there about a week before the towers where blown up
People in government where getting called and told DO NOT FLY TO NY ON 911...The vendors in NY anywhere near the towers where told before hand..STAY OFF THE STREET THAT DAY....No if..it WAS and because of the cover up..STILL IS an inside job
Freedom is another way to God...A corrupt government is a straight way to hell.
Freedom is another way to God...A corrupt government is a straight way to hell.
There is no "if"
The PNAC report - Rebuilding America's Defenses, what it contains, and who signed it - most notably that their plans could not happen absent a "new Pearl Harbor like event" and that those who signed it got into power, and then while in power 9/11 happened and that some of those same people had close international ties with those involved, and those same people then advocated and BEGAN their plans laid out in that report - well - anyone who cannot make that most obvious connection is a bumbling idiot.
There is no question it was an inside job. The question is who EXACTLY was involved and how did they pull it off so we can prosecute them for treason and begin the public executions on live cable and satellite television?
Continuance of any semblance or remnant of ANY policy adopted in the wake of that treasonous act of war against the several States is a non-starter and anyone who advocates their continuance should be subject to arrest for treason as well. All such people are domestic enemies of the Constitution and pose an ongoing, clear and present danger to the lives, liberty, and property of the People of the several States.
And there Conyers sits on Downing Street memo
and you don't even mention that, yet you say it's obvious it's an inside job? It is DOWNING STREET and that making it INTERNATIONAL why you leave Downing Street memo out? http://downingstreetmemo.com/
It makes me sick sometimes to see such bright Ron paul supporters fall for 911 Truth CONTROLLED opposition. It's as bad as those thinking jets took the towers down
Inside job doesn't preclude actors outside our government from
taking part. Notice I specifically said those individuals who signed the PNAC report had friends overseas who participated in the event. That would include any complicity from Downing Street and Tel-a-viv as well.
Just how do I advocate controlled opposition? I'm leaving open the door for exactly what you said and I do not contradict it. Try reading a little more carefully the next time you want to jump down someone's throat for any perceived lack of towing your specific and meticulous party line sir...
Excuse me for not reading your mind and repeating what you already posted verbatim. Perhaps maybe, just maybe, I have something to ADD to the discussion, as this is generally how most discussions go rather than simply act as your personal parrot. Do you think it is possible that someone might agree with you, but simply not bother to say so, and instead make OTHER points that he/she feels are ALSO important?
It's OBVIOUSLY Bigger than the USA Government
So it is OBVIOULY NOT an "Inside job". It was an INTERNATIONAL JOB that can be imagined much the way the "Mad" magazine "Spy Vs Spy cartoon.
The fact that it may have been carried out by people
outside this government does not logically alone preclude the participation of anyone INSIDE this government.
Simply because it may be 'bigger' than the U.S. government DOES NOT logically mean it cannot be an inside job. It is readily apparent others were involved, but the fact that someone in our OWN GOVERNMENT was involved is without question. Such an attack would not have been possible without complicity on the part of some in our own ranks, if not having them in the inside loop among whomever planned this.
Your logic is seriously flawed.
If A is a subset of B, and some element from the larger set B is in the target set C, that does not alone in any way logically exclude an element from set A from also being in the target set C.
You have made the logically flawed presumption that simply because ONE element of set C is also in set B that therefore NONE of the elements in C can possibly come from A.
Basic logic is why this world is going to the crapper fast. Most people have no grasp of it.
If it has been planned by so many people
in several continents, then they cannot afford that even one of them could be a whistleblower, and there are often whistleblowers in some big international govt. scams, like with Nixon etc. also as there is a financial incentive to make money and get fame or only for the trurth because of conscieus to coem out. So why after so many years we have not had one single whistleblower, or have they they been killed, and if so, how can you proof this?
Then we may have to through out
Science.