• Example of wildlife management through private property

    For example, in many states the pheasant population in public lands is very low to extinct due to mismanagement (feeding, health care, predator control, shelter, etc.), even though hunting of female pheasants is forbidden by law. At the same time, private hunting clubs provide spring pheasant hunts of females only because the pheasant population is too high and close to over population.

    The fact of the matter is that private ownership requires individual responsibility, whereas public ownership promotes irresponsibility.

  • Wildlife management through private property

    This post is not specific to stateless society, but it assumes that whatever the society, private property rights are highly respected.

    It is simple - it is in the best interest of the owner to keep the animals healthy and the whole property as sustainable as possible, so that it is ensured that the private property generates value not only for the owner, but for potential buyers, as well as for the next generation.

    The counter argument to the above is the massive deforestation and over-hunting that occurred in the 19th century. The major root cause for this problem was bad government policy and intervention, which negatively influenced the market. Back then the government leased government "owned" lands for short lease period. If the land was leased by private owners, one would assume that the owners would have at least required the leased areas to be re-planted.

  • Or should people be free to

    Or should people be free to choose, and they should be left alone to either enjoy, or to suffer the consequences of their choices?

    In a free society, are universal safety nets necessary when they are based on forcefully taking from one to give to another?

  • Agreed - new topic created

    To increase the visibility, new topic was created:

    Facts about Rand Paul's war talk

  • Not true.

    It was Hannity who said that the Iraq AUMF was a Constitutional declaration. Rand Paul chose not to answer, but to continue his previous thought on explaining the Constitutional way to make the case for war.

    Here is the proof from the aforementioned Hannity interview.

  • Facts about Rand Paul's war talk

    Rand Paul said that:
    1. He would call a joint session of congress.
    2. He would lay out the reasoning of why ISIS is a threat to the US national security.
    3. He would seek congressional authorization to destroy ISIS militarily.

    Rand Paul's statement appears to be in accordance with Article I, Section 8 of the US Constitution, and specifically Clause 11, that only Congress has the power to declare war. Also, his statement appears to be correctly interpreting Article II, Section 2 of the US Constitution.

    What Ran Paul did not say is that he would seek Congressional consultation, or that, as an Executive, he already has the Constitutional authority that empowers him to declare a war alone, and therefore he would have sent troops without the proper authorization from Congress, without a clear goal, without a clearly defined and realistic exit strategy, and that Congress was to find out about the new war from the news outlets.

  • Talk is cheap

    NAFTA has been destroying Mexican agriculture since 1994 when heavily subsidized corn produced in the USA began flooding Mexico's markets. NAFTA is another product of Bush's administration and one of the biggest enablers of illegal immigration after about 3,000,000 Mexican agricultural workers lost their jobs in the 90's.

  • Well said: "That should be our goal -

    Well said: "That should be our goal - understand liberty, and then our government will change."

    --Ron Paul

  • The Oath to do what's right and just

    Having lived in Europe for most of my life, I relate to this and I agree with you. Keep up the good work, be encouraged, stay strong, and continue to do what is right and just.

    I was in the same position two years ago. America is about ideas and ideals, and when I chose to take the Oath, I found it to be a very liberating moment. A commitment to ideals that is so much less often taken for granted compared to 8 years ago.

    Perhaps you have already seen similar apathy and cynicism in America, even in the very Liberty Movement. Please, don't let this stop you from doing what's right. Don't let this prohibit you from speaking what's true!

  • Why are people saying "Exercising Second Amendment rights"?

    The Constitution does not give a free man any rights. The right to self-defense is a natural right. The Constitution restricts the government from violating the rights that a free man already has. And the purpose of the Second Amendment is to restrict the government from infringing upon a self-determined and self-governed free agent's right to self-defense.

    Saying "Exercising Second Amendment rights" implies that a right is derived from the Second Amendment. Nowhere in the Second Amendment is it written that a man is given a right. And those who repeat this fallacy are missing the point. The Second Amendment restricts the government from exercising its intrinsic attribute, which is coercive aggression.

  • "Choose your battles wisely,"

    "Choose your battles wisely," someone once said. And this fine Man (Rand Paul) is doing exactly *that*.

  • You label another individual as "evil"? Really?

    You label another individual as "evil"? Really? Without even daring to address any of the arguments? "A government advocator," "immoral, unethical, and 'evil' entity"? Really?

    So only based on the context of all the posts, you are judging a position to be wrong, incorrect, and already answered? What if I intentionally chose not to read all the opinions before I posted my original post?

    And you choose to discuss a topic of Liberty and at the same time you associate individuals against their will with "others of their kind" without having any sort of clear understanding and even after you were told that the Socratic method was used?

    Are you so blindly passionate about a cause that you claim to advocate Liberty, but yet you permit yourself to associate another individual with what you perceive to be "their kind" (against their will) and to execute a judgement against them on a personal level?

    Who are you to decide who is right and wrong based on your own subjective interpretation of what the rules are?

    Let me make it easier for you this time around - I am again using the Socratic method to expose a logical contradiction. I hope you can see it.

  • Thank you for the follow up.

    Thank you for the follow up.

    When asking questions in my first post, I simply used the Socratic method to identify the contradicting arguments. Finding an answer was not my goal. My case is in my first post. I can't read the works of Marx, Engels, Stalin, Lenin and other utopian communists, dictators and murderers for you, unfortunately. As for the assertions, these are facts listed in order with citations from the original sources. There are 7 points in my post. Which one do you object?

    To answer your question - very superficially put, the general consensus is that Government is a necessary evil that when controlled and restrained by a moral, educated and Liberty loving society could be very good. That's why I believe that our best bet right now is to continue to restore the authority and the trust in the Constitution.

  • Just a side note, but Chile

    Just a side note, but Chile is the only country that I know of that uses free-market mechanism to manage their water resources, very successfully too.

    I am sure Texas can learn a lot from Chile about the advantages of using free markets to manage natural resources.

    I found your example to be good.

  • Allow me to point out something of importance.

    Allow me to point out something of importance. In this case I am in a position to defend my factual arguments about how stateless society mixed with voluntarism has striking similarities with socialism and communism. However, nowhere in your rebuttal do you address my points...

    What I did was present specific facts and questions and what I got was disagreement and rebuttal regarding Voluntarism, a topic I never mentioned though I was accused of not knowing anything about.

    Obviously, you and I are speaking different languages, even though phonetically it is English. The need to learn how to agree to disagree is palpable. I respect your opinion and to say that I know not about "voluntarism" and would be a gross speculation.

    I would reserve my right to stick to my guns and point out the obvious fallacy from a practical point of view, not only from pure theory and ideology.

    Please accept my respect for your genuine desire to experiment and to learn. It is a step away from the status quo, although not necessarily in the right direction. Some time ago I heard a wise man say that the believe in absolutes could be unhealthy. And I kind of liked that.

  • I have a few points for you to consider:

    I have a few points for you to consider:

    1. The notion of "Stateless" society, or "Internationalism", or "One world", etc., is not a new idea. This is one of the pillars of the cult of humanism. Carl Marx defined the Marxist humanism and denied nationalism - "Workers have no fatherland," "Proletarians of all countries, unite!" (The Communist Manifesto, 1848)

    2. Carl Marx also considered the state to be an oppressive institution which inevitably lead to dictatorship. (Letter to J. Weydmeyer, 1852)

    3. Carl Marx also believed that the answer to the above is the "free association of producers" and that association of producers will make the decisions needed for the common good. (Manifesto of the Communist Party, NY 1968, p. 53)

    4. Stalin took the above and customized the whole idea of socialism and communism that each nation must conform to a centralized ideal, which requires full subordination of the nations. No need for citation, most Eastern Europeans who witnessed the cold war can speak volumes about this.

    5. How do you defend private property, as private property is a pillar of Liberty, while refusing to define borders of a state?

    6. Consider the fact that people have ambition. How are you going to control other people's ambitions? Through the barrel of a gun? Drugs? Propaganda? Concentration camps? Monetary sanctions? Inflation?

    7. And there are a few facts that no one with proven record in the utopia of stateless societies has given an answer to:
    * Nations have different history and heritage
    * Nations are not equally developed
    * Some nations and cultures refuse to "develop" to the standard of the nations that are perceived to be "developed"
    * The utopia of equality promotes brutal inequality
    * The biggest and strongest nation/s (the centralized ideal) dominate and suppress resistance
    * History shows that the utopia of stateless society inevitably leads to a dictatorial state.

    What if we simply continue with the restoration of the Constitution of the United States of America and stick with it? The Founders of this country knew history and economics very well and did agree that the Federal Government was a necessary evil, which must be restrained by The People, hence they left us with the Republic (if we can keep it) and the Constitution.

  • Did you try to copy the link in your browser?

    .

    The reason for my original WT post was not to attract more votes for the poll. These polls mean absolutely nothing.

    The reason was to shed light on what seemed to be incorrect information that could be used against the movement.

  • The WP poll is there...

    and is currently at 83%: http://www.washingtontimes.com/polls/2013/mar/6/does-sen-pau...

    The poll is on the left hand site at the bottom of the article: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/6/rand-paul-fil...

  • I was born and raised in a Communist country.

    I was born and raised in a Communist country. I believe that I know what Socialism is, as I have lived for a few decades in Europe. I consider grossly incompetent assumptions such as yours to be broad, vague, misleading, and seriously dangerous.

    You think you want to be a part of the Liberty movement, but you deny its bedrock. The "brown shirts" did the very same thing back "then". All you are waiting for is your fearless leader to appear out of the blue and to lead you in his/her pseudo-conservative agenda. And then you hope that you will have *your* way.

    And of course then you will care less about upholding and defending The Constitution.

    Sad...

  • Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by...

    The words of William Penn are still true, regardless of how much some people would like to live in denial of God and the Lord: "Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants."

    The Preambles of ALL 50 state Constitutions reference God and the Lord:

    Alabama 1901, Preamble. We the people of the State of Alabama, invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following Constitution ..

    Alaska 1956, Preamble. We, the people of Alaska, grateful to God and to those who founded our nation and pioneered this great land ..

    Arizona 1911, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Arizona, grateful to Almighty God for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution...

    Arkansas 1874, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Arkansas, grateful to Almighty God for the privilege of choosing our own form of government...

    California 1879, Preamble. We, the People of the State of California, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom .

    Colorado 1876, Preamble. We, the people of Colorado, with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of Universe .

    Connecticut 1818, Preamble. The People of Connecticut, acknowledging with gratitude the good Providence of God in permitting them to enjoy ...

    Delaware 1897, Preamble. Through Divine Goodness all men have, by nature, the rights of worshiping and serving their Creator according to the dictates of their consciences .

    Florida 1845, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Florida, grateful to Almighty God for our constitutional liberty ... establish this Constitution...

    Georgia 1777, Preamble. We, the people of Georgia, relying upon protection and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish this Constitution...

    Hawaii 1959, Preamble. We, the people of Hawaii, Grateful for Divine Guidance . establish this Constitution

    Idaho 1889, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Idaho, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings ..

    Illinois 1870, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Illinois, grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors.

    Indiana 1851, Preamble. We, the People of the State of Indiana, grateful to Almighty God for the free exercise of the right to chose our form of government..

    Iowa 1857, Preamble. We, the People of the State of Iowa, grateful to the Supreme Being for the blessings hitherto enjoyed, and feeling our dependence on Him for a continuation of these blessings ... establish this Constitution

    Kansas 1859, Preamble. We, the people of Kansas, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious privileges . establish this Constitution.

    Kentucky 1891, Preamble. We, the people of the Commonwealth of grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties...

    Louisiana 1921, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Louisiana, grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties we enjoy ..

    Maine 1820, Preamble. We the People of Maine .. acknowledging with grateful hearts the goodness of the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe in affording us an opportunity ... and imploring His aid and direction

    Maryland 1776, Preamble. We, the people of the state of Maryland, grateful to Almighty God or our civil and religious liberty...

    Massachusetts 1780, Preamble. We...the people of Massachusetts, acknowledging with grateful hearts, the goodness of the Great Legislator of the Universe...in the course of His Providence, an opportunity and devoutly imploring His direction ...

    Michigan 1908, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Michigan, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of freedom ... establish this Constitution

    Minnesota, 1857, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Minnesota, grateful to God for our civil and religious liberty, and desiring to perpetuate its blessings

    Mississippi 1890, Preamble. We, the people of Mississippi in convention assembled, grateful to Almighty God, and invoking His blessing on our work.

    Missouri 1845, Preamble. We, the people of Missouri, with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, and grateful for His goodness .. establish this Constitution ..

    Montana 1889, Preamble. We, the people of Montana, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty establish this Constitution ..

    Nebraska 1875, Preamble. We, the people, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom .. establish this Constitution

    Nevada 1864, Preamble. We the people of the State of Nevada, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom . establish this Constitution ..

    New Hampshire 1792, Part I. Art. I. Sec. V. Every individual has a natural and unalienable right to worship God according to the dictates of his own conscience .

    New Jersey 1844, Preamble. We, the people of the State of New Jersey, grateful to Almighty God for civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors.

    New Mexico 1911, Preamble. We, the People of New Mexico, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty ..

    New York 1846, Preamble. We, the people of the State of New York, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, in order to secure its blessings .

    North Carolina 1868, Preamble. We the people of the State of North Carolina, grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for our civil, political, and religious liberties, and acknowledging our dependence upon Him for the continuance of those

    North Dakota 1889, Preamble. We, the people of North Dakota, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, do ordain...

    Ohio 1852, Preamble. We the people of the state of Ohio, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings and to promote our common..

    Oklahoma 1907, Preamble. Invoking the guidance of Almighty God, in order to secure and perpetuate the blessings of liberty ... establish this

    Oregon 1857, Bill of Rights, Article I. Section 2. All men shall be secure in the Natural right, to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their consciences .

    Pennsylvania 1776, Preamble. We, the people of Pennsylvania, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, and humbly invoking His guidance

    Rhode Island 1842, Preamble. We the People of the State of Rhode Island grateful to Almighty God for the civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing

    South Carolina, 1778, Preamble. We, the people of the State of South Carolina grateful to God for our liberties, do ordain and establish this Constitution

    South Dakota 1889, Preamble. We, the people of South Dakota, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberties . establish this

    Tennessee 1796, Art. XI.III. That all men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their conscience...

    Texas 1845, Preamble. We the People of the Republic of Texas, acknowledging, with gratitude, the grace and beneficence of God

    Utah 1896, Preamble. Grateful to Almighty God for life and liberty, we establish this Constitution .

    Vermont 1777, Preamble. Whereas all government ought to ... enable the individuals who compose it to enjoy their natural rights, and other blessings which the Author of Existence has bestowed on man ...

    Virginia 1776, Bill of Rights, XVI ... Religion, or the Duty which we owe our Creator . can be directed only by Reason ... and that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian Forbearance, Love and Charity towards each other...

    Washington 1889, Preamble. We the People of the State of Washington, grateful to the Supreme Ruler of the Universe for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution .

    West Virginia 1872, Preamble. Since through Divine Providence we enjoy the blessings of civil, political and religious liberty, we, the people of West Virginia .. reaffirm our faith in and constant reliance upon God .

    Wisconsin 1848, Preamble. We, the people of Wisconsin, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, domestic tranquility

    Wyoming 1890, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Wyoming, grateful to God for our civil, political, and religious liberties ... establish this Constitution .