• Would you consider this proof that the IRS is bogus?

    Here's someone from LostHorizons.com who puts his money where his mouth is.

    http://losthorizons.com/EveryWhichWayButLoose/Segelstrom5.wmv
    http://losthorizons.com/EveryWhichWayButLoose.htm

  • He's a CFR member, what do

    He's a CFR member, what do you expect?

  • I just got off the phone

    I just got off the phone,with the person who confirms your vote.She asked me what poll I participated in, and asked me my opinion of Mit, to which I replied "I WILL NEVER vote for him", she said wow, do you mind if I ask why? I then spent the next 15-20 mins telling her all about Dr Paul. Her response was that he sounds like someone who has integrity, and that she would have to research him. I told her some you tube videos to look up, and I told her to check out DAILYPAUL.com I hope she does her homework and tells everyone she knows as well. VIVA LA REVOLUTION!
    P.S.The poll results should be emailed to me within 24 hrs, I will post the results.

  • Uhh, wouldn't that be a three

    Uhh, wouldn't that be a three wheel drive?

  • No, actually, I

    No, actually, I believe,"Sensibility" refers to being sensible, meaning "To have sense".
    "Sensitivity" refers to being sensitive.

  • username

    username:krkruse1

  • Check this out

    Check out ticketslayer.com

  • I didn't say I agree comepletely

    I said he makes SOME valid points, government will do anything to continue the status quo, the will of the people be damned.

  • Another old saying

    We had a sign up where I used to work years ago that said "Quality is like buying oats, if you want nice, fresh, clean oats, you must expect to pay a fair price. However, if you can settle for oats that have been through the horse already, that comes a little cheaper."

  • Larken Rose's latest newsletter

    Although it's very disappointing, he does make some valid points
    KRK

    Note from zp, moderator. Your post doesn't follow the subject of this thread: TIME and the questions you might ask of Dr. Paul. Your Rose post really needs to be its own thread, and not stuck in here, out of context. Sorry.

  • YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME!

    [The following is a written adaption of a talk given by Larken Rose
    in Philadelphia, in front of Independence Hall, on July 4th, 2009.]

    . YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME!

    Two hundred and thirty-three years ago, in Philadelphia, a bunch of
    guys got together and wrote a letter to their king. The letter was
    very eloquent, and well thought out, but it basically boiled down
    to this:

    "Dear King George,

    You're not the boss of us!

    Sincerely,

    A Bunch of Troublemakers"

    That's essentially what the Declaration of Independence was: a
    bunch of radicals declaring that they would no longer recognize the
    right of their king to rule them, at all, ever again. They went on
    to create a new boss, which turned into a new oppressor, but we'll
    get to that in a moment. First, let's consider the essence of that
    attitude: "You're not the boss of me!"

    This July 4th, like every year, millions of Americans are
    celebrating Independence Day with various parades, picnics,
    fireworks, and so on. But how many of those people celebrating have
    ever actually considered what the Declaration was actually about,
    and what the colonists actually did? The colonists did not merely
    beg the king to change his ways. In fact, the Declaration explains
    how they had tried that, to no avail. Instead, the colonists were
    doing something far more drastic.

    In short, they committed treason. They broke the law. They
    disobeyed their government. They were traitors, criminals and tax
    cheats. The Boston Tea Party was not merely a tax protest, but open
    lawlessness. Furthermore, truth be told, some of the colonists were
    even cop-killers. At Lexington, when King George's "law enforcers"
    told the colonists to lay down their guns, the colonists responded
    with, "No, you're not the boss of us!" (Well, that was the meaning,
    if not the exact verbiage.) And so we had "The Shot Heard 'Round
    the World," widely regarded as the beginning of the American
    Revolution.

    Looking back now, we know the outcome. We know who eventually won,
    and we don't mind cheering for the rebels. But make no mistake:
    when you cheer for the founders of this country, you are cheering
    for law-breakers and traitors. As well you should. But, for all the
    flag-waving and celebrating that goes on every July 4th, do
    Americans actually believe in what the colonists did? Do they
    really believe in the attitude expressed in the Declaration of
    Independence? Are they really still capable of supporting a mantra
    of "You're not the boss of me!"?

    In, short, no. Imagine the equivalent of what the colonists did so
    many years ago, being done today. Imagine a group of people writing
    a letter to the United States government, sending a letter to
    Congress and to the President, saying that they would no longer pay
    federal taxes, they would no longer obey federal laws, and that
    they would resist--by force, if necessary--any attempt by federal
    agents to enforce those laws. How would a group which did such
    things be viewed today, by most Americans?

    They would be viewed as nut-cases, scofflaws and terrorists,
    despicable criminals and malcontents. They would be scorned as the
    scum of the earth, despised by just about everyone who today
    celebrates Independence Day.

    How ironic.

    So why the double standard? Why would the American public today
    condemn the exact same attitudes and behaviors which they glorify
    and praise in the context of the American Revolution? Quite simply,
    it's because, for all the proud talk of "land of the free and home
    of the brave," the spirit of resistance--the courage to say "You're
    not the boss of us!"--has been trained out of the American people.

    We have become a nation of wimps.

    For years and years, in the churches and schools, on the news, in
    the media, and from everywhere around us, we have been taught one
    thing above all else: that obedience to authority is the highest
    virtue, and that disobedience is the worst sin. As a result, even
    most of those who now claim to be zealous advocates for individual
    rights and personal liberty will almost always couch their
    "demands" with disclaimers that, of course, their efforts for
    justice will be done "within the system," and that they would never
    advocate anything "illegal." They claim to be devout proponents of
    freedom, and yet all they ever do is seek a political solution,
    whether through lobbying of politicians, elections, or other
    government-approved means.

    Of course, government never approves of anything which might
    actually endanger government power. As the bumper-sticker says, "If
    voting made a difference, it would be illegal." And why should
    civilized people assume that change must be done "legally" and
    "within the system"? That is obviously NOT what the Declaration of
    Independence was about. In fact, the Declaration states quite
    plainly that when a government ceases to be a protector of
    individual liberty, it is not only the right, but the DUTY of the
    people to ALTER or ABOLISH that form of government. In other words,
    when the government becomes an oppressor, instead of a protector--
    as is obviously the case today--the people are morally obligated to
    adopt an attitude of, "You're not the boss of us!"

    So how many Americans are doing that? Almost none. Instead, even
    the most vocal critics of corruption and injustice usually do
    little more than banging their heads against a brick wall, begging,
    in half a dozen different ways, for the tyrants to please be nicer
    to us. (Meanwhile, they go to great lengths to distance themselves
    from people like me, for fear of what the general public might
    think of them. As a result, I believe the general public, and those
    in government, view them pretty much as I view them: as harmless
    and irrelevant conformists, destined to forever beg for freedom,
    and never achieve it.)

    Make no mistake, begging and whining is not what the Declaration of
    Independence was about. It was about breaking the law, when the law
    is unjust. It was about committing treason, when the rulers became
    oppressive. It was about disobedience--civil disobedience, when
    effective, and not-so-civil disobedience when necessary. It was
    about open resistance, including violent resistance when called
    for.

    So where is that attitude today? Where is the candidate advocating
    such a thing? Patrick Henry, Thomas Paine, Samuel Adams--where are
    the modern equivalents? For all the whining about extremists, where
    are those willing to openly resist injustice? Not only don't most
    Americans believe in resisting tyranny, they feel extremely
    uncomfortable just hearing others talk about it, even in abstract
    terms (like this).

    Maybe it's just that we're not quite at the level of oppression to
    justify resistance. Is that it? Hardly. If two or three percent
    taxation justified rebellion in 1776, why doesn't fifty percent
    taxation justify it now? If a few puny excise taxes on tea and
    pieces of paper justified it then, why don't the myriad of
    unavoidable, crushing taxes at all levels, and the hordes of
    callous, vindictive tax collectors justify it now? If the
    relatively unusual cases of Redcoats abusing colonists justified it
    then, why doesn't it justify it when American police see no problem
    with randomly stopping, detaining, interrogating and searching
    anyone they want, whenever they want, for any reason or no reason
    at all?

    Does anyone think Thomas Jefferson, if he were alive today, would
    quietly allow himself to be strip-searched, and allow his
    belongings to be rummaged through, by some brain-dead TSA thug?
    Read the Fourth Amendment. They had a revolution over that sort of
    thing. Does anyone think that Patrick Henry would take kindly to
    being robbed blind to pay for whatever war-mongering the
    politicians wanted to engage in this week? Read what the Founders
    said about standing armies. They had a revolution over that sort of
    thing. Think James Madison would go along with being disarmed, by
    the various state and federal control freaks? Read the Second
    Amendment. They had a revolution over that sort of thing. Think
    George Washington would be happy to have both his earnings and
    savings constantly looted by a parasite class, to pay for all
    manner of wealth redistribution, political handouts and other
    socialist garbage? Think Thomas Paine would gladly be extorted to
    give all his money to some giant, failed corporation or some huge
    international bank? Think the founders would have quietly gone
    along with what this country has become today? Think they would
    have done nothing more than vote, or whine?

    Well, the founders are dead. And, unfortunately, so is their spirit
    of resistance. In short, just about all of the flag-waving and
    celebrating that happens every July 4th is nothing but empty
    hypocrisy. How many Americans today can say, loudly and proudly,
    like they mean it, "Give me liberty or give me death!"? Or, at
    least, in the modern vernacular, "You're not the boss of me!"?
    Anyone? In this nation that imagines itself to be the land of the
    free and the home of the brave, where are those who dare to resist,
    or even dare to talk about it? And I don't mean voting, or whining
    to your congressman, or begging your masters to not whip you so
    hard. I'm talking about resisting, refusing to obey.

    America, where is your Independence Day pride now? Exactly what are
    you proud of? I have a message for you, from a guy named Sam.
    Samuel Adams, that is. Yeah, the beer guy. But he did a little more
    for this country than make beer. Here is his message:

    "If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of
    servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home
    from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and
    lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon
    you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."

    When's the last time you heard a modern so-called "statesman" say
    something like that?

    So what happened? When did Americans lose their ability to say,
    "You're not the boss of me," and why? Yes, most people are scared,
    and for good reason. With the capacity for violence of the current
    police state, and the willingness of the politicians and their
    thugs to crush anyone who threatens their power, everyone has to
    choose his battles carefully, and decide for himself what he's
    willing to risk, what is worth fighting for and what isn't.

    That makes sense, but there is more to it than just fear. Because
    not only won't most Americans resist, but they will condemn anyone
    who does. If you do what the founders did, most people in this
    country would call you a tax cheat, a malcontent, a criminal, a
    traitor, even a terrorist. Why? Why do Americans now vehemently
    condemn those who say and do exactly what the Founders did a couple
    hundred years ago? When did our priorities and view of the world
    change so drastically, and why?

    I'll tell you why. Gradually, and very systematically, we have been
    trained to measure our own worth, not by what we produce, not by
    how we treat other people, but by how well we obey authority.
    Consider the term, "law abiding taxpayer." How many people wear
    that label as a badge of honor? "I am a law-abiding taxpayer!" When
    they say that, they mean, "I'm a good person." But is that what it
    really means?

    Well, "law-abiding" just means that you do whatever the politicians
    tell you to do. We speak with great reverence of this thing called
    "the law," as if it is the decree of the gods, which no decent
    human being would dare to disobey. But what is it really? It's
    whatever the politicians decide to command you to do. Why on earth
    would anyone think that obedience to a bunch of liars and crooks is
    some profound moral obligation? Is there any reason for us to treat
    with reverence such commands and demands? No rational reason, no.
    The only reason we do it is because we have been trained to do it.

    Some might point out that obeying the laws against theft and murder
    is a good thing to do. Well, yes and no. It is good to refrain from
    committing theft and murder, but it is NOT because "the law" says
    so. It is because theft and murder are inherently wrong, as they
    infringe upon the rights of others. And that was true before any
    politician passed a "law" about it, and will be true even if they
    "legalize" theft and murder (as every government has done, in the
    name of "taxation" and "war"). What is right and wrong does not at
    all depend upon what is "legal" or "illegal." And if you need
    POLITICIANS to tell you what is right and what is wrong, you need
    your head examined. Instead, you should judge the validity of so-
    called "laws" by whether they match what is inherently right and
    wrong. Thomas Jefferson put it this way:

    "Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will
    within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do
    not add 'within the limits of the law,' because the law is often
    but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of
    the individual."

    So why should anyone be proud of being "law-abiding," when all it
    means is blindly obeying whatever arbitrary commands the parasite
    class spews out this week? And pride in being a "taxpayer" is no
    better, since all that phrase means is that you give the
    politicians lots of money. When, exactly, did obeying politicians
    and giving them money become the measure of whether you're a good
    person?

    Consider Nazi Germany. Were the law-abiding taxpayers in Nazi
    Germany the good guys? No. By obeying the so-called "laws" of that
    time, the majority allowed, or even assisted in, a nearly
    incomprehensible level of evil. And by being "taxpayers," they
    provided the funding for it. No, the good people in Germany were
    the criminals and tax cheats, who refused to assist, even
    passively, in the oppressions done in the name of "government."

    The same is true under the regimes of Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot,
    Castro--you can go right down the list (and it's a very long list).
    Under every nasty regime in history, the obedient subjects, who
    quietly did as they were told, the law-abiding taxpayers, were not
    the good guys. The law-breakers and rebels, the so-called traitors
    and terrorists, those were the good guys. How about in this
    country, when slavery was legal? The cowards were the ones obeying
    the law, while the good guys broke it.

    How about here, today? Is it good to fund what the government is
    doing? Do you have some moral obligation to give your "fair share"
    of however many thousands of dollars, so Obama can give it to his
    banker buddies? Is it noble to fund whatever war the politicians
    decide to engage in this week? Do you like paying for the detention
    and torture of people who haven't been convicted, or even charged
    with any crime? (By the way, instead of doing away with that, Obama
    just gave it a new name: preventative detention.) Is it some great
    virtue to have helped to finance the police state growing up all
    around you, on both the federal and state levels? In short, is
    being a "law-abiding taxpayer" really something you should be proud
    of, or is it something you should be ashamed of?

    Over time we have forgotten a very important secret--a secret the
    control freaks don't want you to know; a secret some of the
    Founders hinted at, though even most of them didn't seem to fully
    grasp it. Ready for it?

    You own yourself.

    You are not the property of the politicians, or anyone else. I own
    me, and you own you. Each of you owns himself. Sounds simple
    enough, right? And most people respond with, "Well duh, of course.
    That's no secret. We knew that." But in reality most people don't
    know that.

    If you own yourself, would anyone have the right to take, without
    your consent, the fruits of your labor? What you earn, with your
    time and effort, does anyone have the right to take that from you
    by force? Of course not, most will answer. Really? And what if they
    call it "taxation"? "Oh, well, that's different." No, it isn't.

    If you own yourself, would anyone have the right to force you to
    pay rent for a house you already paid for, under threat of taking
    your house away? Of course not. What if they call it "property
    taxes"? Oh, that's different. No, it isn't. And you can go right
    down the list: if you truly own yourself, the vast majority of so-
    called "laws," at all levels, are absolutely illegitimate. As
    Jefferson put it, ANY so-called "law" that infringes upon
    individual liberty--which is dang near all of them--is inherently
    bogus.

    But let's take it one step further. If you own yourself--your life,
    liberty and property--doesn't that imply that you have the right to
    defend those things from any and all aggressors? Yes. What if the
    aggressors call themselves "government" and call their attacks and
    robberies "law" and "taxes"? You still have the right. Changing the
    name of an act cannot make something bad into something good. And
    if you have the right to defend your life, liberty and property
    from all aggressors, it stands to reason that you have the right to
    equip yourself to do so. In other words, you have the right to be
    armed--the right to possess the equipment to exert whatever force
    is necessary to repel any attempts to infringe upon your rights to
    life, liberty and property.

    I know it makes people uncomfortable (especially people who work
    for the government) when I say the following: I want every sane,
    adult American to have the ability to use force, including deadly
    force, against government agents. I don't want people randomly
    gunning down cops, but I do want the people to retain the ability
    to forcibly resist their own government. The very concept bothers a
    lot of people, but what is the alternative? The alternative is
    something a lot scarier: that the people should NOT have the means
    to resist their own government.

    But, once again, even most people who claim to be vehemently pro-
    freedom, don't like to talk about what that really means. Many "gun
    rights" organizations, for example, go to great lengths to beg the
    politicians to LET them remain armed. Why? At Lexington, when the
    British troops told the colonists to lay down their weapons, what
    was the response? Did the colonists say, "Awe, can't we keep them,
    pretty please?"? No, they had a very different attitude, something
    alone the lines of, "You're not the boss of us!"

    If you own yourself--and this is a big one--it is not only your
    right, but your most profound obligation as a human being, to judge
    for yourself what is right and wrong, and to act accordingly. But
    what if people claiming to be "authority" want to force you to do
    something contrary to what you deem to be right? Do you have an
    obligation to obey them, and ignore your own conscience? No. What
    if their threats are called "legislation"? It makes no difference.

    You are always, at all times, in every situation, obligated to do
    what you deem right, no matter what so-called "government" and
    "authority" and "law" have to say about it. And when the tyrants
    and control freaks, authoritarian thugs and megalomaniacs, try to
    tell you that are an evil, nasty, despicable criminal and traitor
    for daring to think for yourself, you have a right and duty to
    stand firm, and say, with confidence, "You are not the boss of me!"

    Larken Rose
    http://www.larkenrose.com

  • Removed and reposted elsewhere

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  • The election was stolen from ron paul

    Here we go again, our country is a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC, not a democracy! There is a BIG DIFFERENCE between the two. The MSM keeps calling us a democracy. I wonder if that is part of the plan so that we can be tricked into all the crap that our so called "servant government" keeps pulling on us?

  • A better start

    A better start would be if the states stop sending money they collect to the Fed and keep it at home.

  • NEW PREAMBLE TO THE CONSTITUTION

    I just got this today and I don't know if it's been posted before.

    This is GOOD!!!!!

    NEW PREAMBLE TO THE CONSTITUTION

    This is probably the best e-mail I've seen in a long, long time. The following has been attributed to State Representative Mitchell Kaye from GA. This guy should run for President one day...

    'We the sensible people of the United States, in an attempt to help everyone get along, restore some semblance of justice, avoid more riots, keep our nation safe, promote positive behavior, and secure the blessings of debt-free liberty to ourselves and our great-great-great-grandchildren, hereby try one more time to ordain and establish some common sense guidelines for the terminally whiny, guilt ridde N, delusional. We hold these truths to be self evident: that a whole lot of people are confused by the Bill of Rights and are so dim they require a Bill of NON-Rights.'

    ARTICLE I:

    You do not have the right to a new car, big screen TV, or any other form of wealth. More power to you if you can legally acquire them, but no one is guaranteeing anything.

    ARTICLE II:

    You do not have the right to never be offended. This country is based on freedom, and that means freedom for everyone -- not just you! You may leave the room, turn the channel, express a different opinion, etc.; but the world is full of idiots, and probably always will be.

    ARTICLE III:

    You do not have the right to be free from harm. If you stick a screwdriver in your eye, learn to be more careful; do not expect the tool manufacturer to make you and all your relatives independently wealthy.

    ARTICLE IV:

    You do not have the right to free food and housing. Americans are the most charitable people to be found, and will gladly help anyone in need, but we are quickly growing weary of subsidizing generation after generation of professional couch potatoes who achieve nothing more than the creation of another generation of professional couch potatoes.

    ARTICLE V:

    You do not have the right to free health care. That would be nice, but from the looks of public housing, we're just not interested in public health care.

    ARTICLE VI:

    You do not have the right to physically harm other people. If you kidnap, rape, intentionally maim, or kill someone, don't be surprised if the rest of us want to see you fry in the electric chair.

    ARTICLE VII:

    You do not have the right to the possessions of others. If you rob, cheat, or coerce away the goods or services of other citizens, don't be surprised if the rest of us get together and lock you away in a place where you still won't have the right to a big screen color TV or a life of leisure.

    ARTICLE VIII:

    You do not have the right to a job. All of us sure want you to have a job, and will gladly help you along in hard times, but we expect you to take advantage of the opportunities of education and vocational training laid before you to make yourself useful. AMEN and AMEN

    ARTICLE IX:

    You do not have the right to happiness. Being an American means that you have the right to PURSUE happiness, which by the way, is a lot easier if you are unencumbered by an over abundance of idiotic laws created by those of you who were confused by the Bill of Rights.

    ARTICLE X:

    This is an English speaking country . We don't care where you are from, English is our language. Learn it or go back to wherever you came from!

    Lastly

    ARTICLE XI:

    You do not have the right to change our country's history o r heritage. This country was founded on the belief in one true God. And yet, you are given the freedom to believe in any religion, any faith, or no faith at all; with no fear of persecution.The phrase IN GOD WE TRUST is part of our heritage and history, and if you are uncomfortable with it, TOUGH!

    If you agree, share this with a friend. No, you don't have to, and nothing tragic will befall you if you don't. I just think it's about time common sense is allowed to flourish. Sensible people of the United States speak out because if you do not, who will?

  • Cops and your rights

    I would like to have bumper stickers made up that say: "If you violate your oath to the Constitution and violate my rights, then: YOU ARE A PIG!"

  • I like it too

    but it seems like they made a conscious effort to make him not appear as presidential as the others.

  • I just noticed the pictures

    I just noticed the pictures they're using on the bottles, the three stooges are pictured in front of flags and seals, and Dr Paul is not. Why couldn't they have used the picture to the right of this blog? Are they trying to plant a subliminal message just like the MSM has done all during the campaign? Just wondering if anyone else noticed.

  • income tax

    The tax laws as written are perfectly constitutional, but they are being misapplied to include people that don't owe the tax. You have to go back to the way the laws are written, and to the custom definitions for employer, employee, trade or business, etc. Those definitions don't apply to most citizen's income. Here's an interesting site to do allot of studying:
    http://losthorizons.com/Cracking_the_Code.htm

  • County convention here we come

    I just got back from my precinct convention, 11 republicans showed up, I know we have 3 Paulites going to the county convention (myself included), out of 9 delegates, I don't know who the others are for because no one actually talked about who we support. On the Dem's side they had about 75 people show up. March 29th here we come!